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or more to be precise, which of these lists?
its 875pts for a doubles tournee coming up, my partner in crime is running a very gun heavy guard list.
i have narrowed it down to these 2 lists and it boils down to battlewagon or trukks.

warboss, bike, pk, cybork, attack squig

5x nob bikers, painboy, waagh banner, pk, 3xbig choppa, bosspole

20 boys, nob, pk, bosspole

2xdeffkoptas, buzzsaw, 2x rokkits

battlewagon, deffrolla

or


warboss, bike, pk, cybork, attack squig

5x nob bikers, painboy, waagh banner, pk, 3xbig choppa, bosspole

12 boys, nob, pk, bosspole
trukk, rpj, boarding plank

12 boys, nob, pk, bosspole
trukk, rpj, boarding plank

deffkopta, buzzsaw, rokkit

This decision is driving me nuts, i want to see what people think

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oops i mean 2nd list for sure more scoring choices and faster delivery of more boys is defintly better

Does your partner have much AV14 in their list? Having only one AV14 on the table does kind of make it a target for anti-tank, especially if it's carrying a dangerous unit. Unless there's some Russ-shaped lascannon magnets around, might be best to go for Trukks to benefit from target saturation...

If you say Gun Heavy, does that mean Tank Heavy, or Heavy Weapons Teams Heavy?

Either way, the question you want to ask is whether you want more target saturation, or less. With those Nob Bikers, you're going to be worried about Str. 8 shots, especially ones that are AP 1 or 2. A Battlewagon would be a good idea just to pull shots from the Bikers onto the wagon, so you don't have ID on your Bikes.

On the other hand, that's one wagon, with 20 boyz and a single Nobw/PK. It's only going to be able to take on a single target at a time, so the Trukks might be better, just because of that extra PK nob there, and the fact that even if they blow up one trukk (and it doesn't ramshackle towards them) you still have another coming. That would be helpful if there's a lot of armour on the field.

I'm mostly ignoring the Deffkoptas cause A: I don't really run suicide koptas and B: one or two, though it may make a difference, is insignificant in army building when you look at the difference between 2 AV10 Fast vehicles and 1 AV 14 vehicle.

sorry i should of said... i think hes taking a leman russ a vendetta and loads of autocannon teams.


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i love deffkoptas, if im against marines with devastators then i can tie them up first turn and stop them shooting at the nob bikers.

Actually, with the Autocannons? I'd take the Battlewagon and the extra Kopta. First off, with HWS, you can tie them up in CC with the Koptas, like you said- second, they cannot hurt AV14 on your Battlewagon, and can only Glance or Pen it's side armour 1/12 of the time (with KFF). Also, with only the 2 tanks, a single Deffrolla/Boarding plank Battlewagon would probably be just as if not more useful than the PKs in 2 Trukks. Though with that few Tanks, you may just want to look at fielding the Koptas with their basic twin-linked Big Shootas- more effective against the Guardsmen you'll be targeting, and if you get in the rear-arc of the tanks, almost more likely to do something than the rokkits, just from sheer volume of fire.

I'm fairly sure the IG list he mentioned is his PARTNER, Anvildude.

Ah! Correct you are. Sorry 'bout that.

Right then. I still stand by the Battlewagon, but in this case, more for the extra AV 14 than anything else. Be nice to give your opponent a need to choose between the Battlewagon, which'll probably be a problem next turn, or the Leman Russ, which'll most likely be a problem all game.

AV14 gets my vote

Part of me wants to say the trukks, because its faster then the BW and its more units, so you can cover more enemies. But there isnt a KFF in there, so Im going to go with the BW, only because itll have a better chance of surviving to the front lines. Either use the cover, or if your bikers can, screen the BW with them so if it does come under fire, it might get a cover save. Obviously that depends on LOS and how big your bikers are.

hmmm i will be testing both tomorrow i will see wht happens, unfortuantely it wont be a doubles practise game so it wont be a good test but id still like to see what happens

list #1. deffrollas are fun

yeh i like having 2 deffkoptas too... and if my partners list has at least 1 elite and 1 heavy support I can take the deffkoptas singles to spread the shaos they can cause!

Deffrolla also gives you more options for dealing with AV14 if the Vendetta gets shot down.

KingCracker wrote:Part of me wants to say the trukks, because its faster then the BW and its more units, so you can cover more enemies.

I've read that a few times on the forums here, did I over look something that makes them fast vehicles? How exactly are they faster? I was under the impression they could only move 12" like everyone else (13 with RPJ).

Unit Type: Vehicle (Fast, Open-topped). Pg 41, 100.

As mentioned its in their profile. Fast = 18 inch movement.

The battlewagon looks cooler. Just sayin'

Cpt. Haines wrote:The battlewagon looks cooler. Just sayin'

If this isn't good enough for you, you're not collecting Orks for the right reasons

Neither list ist particularly great, but the battlewagon one has the benefit of target saturation. At 875 points your opponent is unlikely to have more than one or two anti-tank weapons and as long as those are shooting at the battlewagon your nob bikerz are safe from them.

lindsay40k wrote:Unit Type: Vehicle (Fast, Open-topped). Pg 41, 100.

KingCracker wrote:As mentioned its in their profile. Fast = 18 inch movement.

Touche, note taken.

man this choice is hard... the potential of getting 2 lots of 12 boys into combat early or a more durable 20 boys in a battlewagon...
ok trukks
advantage:
more boys
more power klaws
faster
disadvantage:
less durable
only leaves points for 1 deffkopta (i really like deffkoptas)
battlewagon
advantage:
more durable
deffrolla
diverts attention from nob bikerz
disadvantage:
not as fast
only one of it, if it pops i am in a mess

Like I have told many people many times, try both lists out and see which one you personally like best

BAN wrote:or more to be precise, which of these lists?
its 875pts for a doubles tournee coming up, my partner in crime is running a very gun heavy guard list.
i have narrowed it down to these 2 lists and it boils down to battlewagon or trukks.

warboss, bike, pk, cybork, attack squig

5x nob bikers, painboy, waagh banner, pk, 3xbig choppa, bosspole

20 boys, nob, pk, bosspole

2xdeffkoptas, buzzsaw, 2x rokkits

battlewagon, deffrolla

or


warboss, bike, pk, cybork, attack squig

5x nob bikers, painboy, waagh banner, pk, 3xbig choppa, bosspole

12 boys, nob, pk, bosspole
trukk, rpj, boarding plank

12 boys, nob, pk, bosspole
trukk, rpj, boarding plank

deffkopta, buzzsaw, rokkit

This decision is driving me nuts, i want to see what people think

Ok Buddy think of it this way i play Guard...... If i were to Park a Lemen Russ with Plasma Cannon Sponsons and a foward Hull bolter with a Platoon of infantry in front ( 3 ten man Vet Squads ) with each squad having 3 flamers in the corner with the platoon infront of the russ in cover what would you want to bring ?

A sock and a metal deff dread?

Both lists pretty much work against that list, he just has to make sure to charge all those flamers after disembarking. Nobz, warboss and deff koptaz should take care of the that overcosted plasma fountain.