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I've just been getting back into minis after a hiatus, and so I'm still in the process of reorganising and working out stuff for my old 40k forces. I don't have the newest Space Wolves book (and won't until I can figure out a way to get it at a decent price from overseas).

I understand that Space Wolves forces can now have Wolves/dire wolves/etc in their armies. Tonight I found a bunch of really nice wolf models, unpainted old Ral Partha ones I picked up many years ago. They're a slightly more realistic wolf size with their heads coming up between chest and neck height to a Space Marine, so nowhere near the size of Canis Wolfborn's mount or anything. More like Freki and Geri for those who remember those models.

2 questions:

1) Is there a form of wolf that's this size in the current SW 'dex? (or are they all giant abominations these days?)
2) if there is, what size base are they supposed to be on? If there's a bit of choice, I'd prefer to use 40mm round, so they can also be used for LOTR.

thanks!

scipio.au wrote:1) Is there a form of wolf that's this size in the current SW 'dex? (or are they all giant abominations these days?)

Regular Fenrisian Wolves are available in the codex.

2) if there is, what size base are they supposed to be on? If there's a bit of choice, I'd prefer to use 40mm round, so they can also be used for LOTR.

There's no official base size, since there's no official 40K model. Most people use WHFB wolves on cavalry, bike or 40mm round bases.

Excellent. Sold!

thanks!

Actually there is an official model and with it an associated base size: Canis Wolfborn.

He sits on a 60mm base (same sized base as that of a Dreadnought). Now you can use just about anything to represent this (i.e. bikes, horses, lions, bears, etc.); however, it has to use the 60mm base size.

No. Fenrisian Wolves and Thunderwolves are NOT the same thing.

Wait, there are wolves on Fenris?

Joking aside, I have seen them on cavalry / bike bases.

The only GW comparison is the goblin wolf rider wolves.

They use the same bases as bikes.

Thunder wolves can sit on 40mm or 60mm bases, the other wolves can be on 40mm round or bike bases. But then again base size all depends on where and who you are playing. I haven't ran into any problems with base size if the base size looks to be right and isn't modeled for an in game advantage. so do what you want make it look good and you should be good

Thunder wolves can sit on 40mm or 60mm bases...

Using Canis as an example then a Thunderwolf definitely should NOT be based on a 40mm base.

Unless I'm mistaken, the official tournament-legal version has to sit on a 60mm base, as it's the one that Canis is on. That said, outside of tournaments, I use the oval cavalry base, while Fenrisians go on a standard 25mm infantry base.

And exactly why are you using a different size base in tournament and non-tournament games? They should be the same regardless of the situation.

Ghaz wrote:And exactly why are you using a different size base in tournament and non-tournament games? They should be the same regardless of the situation.

Seems like a lot of effort to get an advantage on friendly games. lol

Reminds me of bloodletters based on blast markers.

I have regular wolves on Calvary bases, which seem size appropriate. I have seen thunderwolves mounted on the longer bike bases and it looks ridiculously small. But when I see them on 60mm bases, they look very good. 40mm bases seem small for them too. And I can't imagine a regular wolf on a 25mm base, too small.

I was going to use LOTR Wargs for Fenrusian Wolves. They come on 40mm bases, which could coinside with them counting as 2 models in a vehicle. Wargs are $16.50 Usd for six, pretty much a steal.

Yeah, my question was about regular wolves, not giant riding wolves. (thunderwolves, etc).

24.50 for Chaos Warhounds think that gets you 10 of them

they come on the Rectangle bases IIRC

Codex author has his wolves on terminator bases. Good enough for him, good enough for me.

Ghaz wrote:And exactly why are you using a different size base in tournament and non-tournament games? They should be the same regardless of the situation.

Looking back at my old post, I really mis-wrote what I meant. What I meant to say was that the tournament standard is the Dreadnought base for T-Cav, but in my casual league, I use the cavalry/bike base. I don't actually go to tournaments, so I don't need to worry about having them on the proper bases.

The rules are no different for a casual league than they are for a tournament. They should be mounted on 60mm bases in both instances.

They don't have to be on 60mm bases at all, the rules for conversion simply say as long as the size is reasonable. It is perfectly fine to have TWC on bike bases. I had my TWC on bike bases at Adepticon and they were fine with it there. The special character is on a big base because he is beefy and besides, he wants to be on a big base. The rule of cool is always in effect. If the model looks cool and is reasonable on a smaller base then it's fine. demon princes are legal on 40mm or 60mm due to the older models. Terminators are technically legal on the smaller bases but a lot of places have house rulled that all terminators have to be on 40mm. In truth the special character Canis is not enough to solidify the 60mm base size for thunder wolves.

And again, we already have an example of Thunderwolf cavalry in the game and how they should be based in Canis Wolfborn. He is on a 60mm base and there is no good reason NOT to use a 60mm base on any other Thunderwolves.

Because Wolfborn has a rule saying,based on how many modals are in base to base with him?The codex says about him not being on a bigger base.He has to be mounted on a 60mm as this is the basde he comes with,and can't go smaller,or bigger.The fenrisians don't have bases so a cavalry base is good.

We're not talking about Fenrisian Wolves now. We're talking about Thunderwolf Cavalry and how they should be based.

Do they not have modals?If they do then they come with bases,that is the size.

No, they don't have a model. If they did then it wouldn't be an issue. However Canis Wolfborn is mounted on a Thunderwolf and is on a 60mm base.

He is a special character with rules relating to base size.The same circumstances don't apply.

So? Those rules have nothing to do with the size base that GW chose to use.

People arguing about the base size is the type of discussion that makes me dislike this hobby sometimes. The rules say it doesn't matter as long as the person is not trying to get a copetetive edge. Simple, it is a game, never forget that.

Snickerdoodle wrote:People arguing about the base size is the type of discussion that makes me dislike this hobby sometimes. The rules say it doesn't matter as long as the person is not trying to get a copetetive edge. Simple, it is a game, never forget that.

Is that you Brad?