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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/08/19 16:25:56
Subject: Sturm & Drang up on PP website
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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The monstrous creation called Sturm and Drang is proof of Dr. Arkadius’ mad genius. The key to this breakthrough was placing two strong wills in opposition. Psychic feedback crackles between their minds, driving them into a battle frenzy of escalating power. Engineered to dominate and subjugate, the pair have perfect command over the war hogs of the farrow and can unleash magic of mind-rending power and explosive force.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/08/19 16:48:55
Subject: Sturm & Drang up on PP website
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Madrak Ironhide
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Two headed warlock! Wooo!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/08/19 17:27:02
Subject: Sturm & Drang up on PP website
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Assault Kommando
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Being that i am building a pig army I got to say when I saw this pic on the PP website, I was very aroused. This model is very sexy, very sexy indeed. Alright guys ill be back in two minutes. Automatically Appended Next Post: I admitt I saw this model on the PP webiste and I was deeply aroused. I'm collecting pigs as my third army and this model is very sexy, very sexy indeed. I'll be back in like two minutes guys.
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2011/08/19 17:28:22
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/08/19 17:28:24
Subject: Sturm & Drang up on PP website
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Man, my wallet is going to hurt in ways GW never could draw out money....
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Hope more old fools come to their senses and start giving you their money instead of those Union Jack Blood suckers... |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/08/19 18:02:57
Subject: Re:Sturm & Drang up on PP website
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Wraith
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Please re-host on Dakka!!
Work blocking sucks.
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Bam, said the lady!
DR:70S+GM++B+I+Pw40k09/f++D++A(WTF)/hWD153R+++T(S)DM++++
Dakka, what is good in life?
To crush other websites,
See their user posts driven before you,
And hear the lamentation of the newbs.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/08/20 00:57:00
Subject: Sturm & Drang up on PP website
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Storm Lance
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This makes me think that pigs will someday get centaur-pig cavalry.
Cool model btw.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/08/20 17:02:25
Subject: Sturm & Drang up on PP website
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Bane Thrall
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He needs to be armed with a pretty wand to get the magic school trifecta (hogwarts, durmstrang and beauxbatons)
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<Rarity> I am not whining, I am complaining! Do you want to hear whining?
Thiiis is whiiiiining! Oooo, this mini is too expeennsive! I'm' going brrookee! Can't you make it cheaper? Oh, it's resin and not metal anymore! Why didn't you take it off the sprue first? That's gonna leave a pour spout, and the FLGS is so far away, WHY DO I HAVE TO SUPPORT IIIIIIIT?! </Rairty> |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/08/20 17:07:40
Subject: Re:Sturm & Drang up on PP website
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Winged Kroot Vulture
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I could start a Horde army with him, or...
Use him as a Gamma World 4ed, "Porker" boss. If you know the setting you know that he would be a perfect fit!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/08/21 13:28:16
Subject: Sturm & Drang up on PP website
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Lanceradvanced wrote:He needs to be armed with a pretty wand to get the magic school trifecta (hogwarts, durmstrang and beauxbatons) Lol. Someone did similar a few days ago on the PP boards, too. That said: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sturm_und_Drang
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This message was edited 2 times. Last update was at 2011/08/21 13:39:36
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/08/22 17:29:47
Subject: Sturm & Drang up on PP website
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Madrak Ironhide
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/08/22 17:38:21
Subject: Sturm & Drang up on PP website
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Oberleutnant
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Struggle of Wills certainly doesn't feel like much of a struggle. More of a "Cherrypick Whatever you Feel Like of Wills."
I'm guessing Sturm will have many more or the only access to spells.
I would have preferred to see some kind of contested CMD roll to maintain power for multiple turns..pass it or will converts to the other head.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/08/22 17:44:20
Subject: Sturm & Drang up on PP website
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Fixture of Dakka
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Wow! He's a bit nails. I assume that Drang isn't much in the spell slinging department.
I think we can assume that he has at least one upkeep spell.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/08/22 17:59:16
Subject: Sturm & Drang up on PP website
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Dominar
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I would assume he's got a very upkeep-intensive spell list, necessitating either a lot of spell slinging on any turn Drang is in the ascendant or giving up on a huge amount of warbeast buffing (+2 MAT is almost as good as or better than a free boost).
If he doesn't have a lot of upkeeps then there's no point to Sturm, unless the feat effect requires Sturm in some way or there are Sturm-only non-upkeep spells. Both of which I rather doubt.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/08/22 18:08:16
Subject: Sturm & Drang up on PP website
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Banelord Titan Princeps of Khorne
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sourclams wrote:I would assume he's got a very upkeep-intensive spell list, necessitating either a lot of spell slinging on any turn Drang is in the ascendant or giving up on a huge amount of warbeast buffing (+2 MAT is almost as good as or better than a free boost).
pKaya agrees.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/08/22 19:41:34
Subject: Sturm & Drang up on PP website
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Plastictrees
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Shotgun wrote:Struggle of Wills certainly doesn't feel like much of a struggle. More of a "Cherrypick Whatever you Feel Like of Wills."
I'm guessing Sturm will have many more or the only access to spells.
I would have preferred to see some kind of contested CMD roll to maintain power for multiple turns..pass it or will converts to the other head.
I think as soon as you introduce a random element like that (especially to your caster) you're going to lose a lot of interest from even vaguely competitive players.
The model is pretty weak IMO.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/08/22 20:00:48
Subject: Sturm & Drang up on PP website
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Wraith
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Epic Butcher disagrees with you.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/08/22 20:05:37
Subject: Sturm & Drang up on PP website
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Fixture of Dakka
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As does Kromac.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/08/22 20:33:40
Subject: Sturm & Drang up on PP website
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Madrak Ironhide
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12thRonin wrote:Epic Butcher disagrees with you.
There's a mechanic in place to stabilize it, though, that players
can shoot for. Kill 3 enemy models = uber focus next turn.
George Spiggott wrote:As does Kromac.
Kromac isn't random.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/08/22 20:48:36
Subject: Sturm & Drang up on PP website
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Wraith
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That doesn't help the first two or three turns though when he's getting there or against something jack/beast heavy.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/08/22 21:09:56
Subject: Sturm & Drang up on PP website
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Fixture of Dakka
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malfred wrote:Kromac isn't random.
Hmmm, yes, misread post. My bad. Kromsc is like Strum & Drang.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/08/22 21:11:40
Subject: Sturm & Drang up on PP website
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Madrak Ironhide
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True, but that's what gameplay is for. It's theoretically bad, but eButch's 'jacks can be quite functional even without focus.
Unless he's facing some weird denial stuff, he shouldn't be too bad off.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/08/23 00:18:26
Subject: Sturm & Drang up on PP website
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Death-Dealing Dark Angels Devastator
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Sturm and Drang? Somebody at PP either likes Timothy Zahn books, or there's a third thing that they and Zahn like.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/08/23 00:21:50
Subject: Sturm & Drang up on PP website
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Master Tormentor
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Random focus wouldn't really function in Hordes. Only being able to pull back two Fury after putting eight out on the table last turn is likely to cost you the game. Automatically Appended Next Post: Wulfe Luer wrote:Sturm and Drang? Somebody at PP either likes Timothy Zahn books, or there's a third thing that they and Zahn like.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sturm_und_Drang
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/08/23 02:57:41
Subject: Sturm & Drang up on PP website
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Dakka Veteran
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I mean, I like Zahn and all but I think Goethe gets the nod in that contest. Know your German metaphysics, kids! Most of the twentieth century's problems have their orgin in nineteenth century Germans using big words to do confusing things.
While it's hard to say how good S&D is without seeing the spells and feat, at first blush it looks a lot like eThagrosh - big base, lots of killing power, but pretty squishy. Let's hope it has a better feat than poor 'ol Thagrosh, though.
I'm not too worried about anything on that card, though Goad could be pretty mean. Otherwise its a big, easy to kill warlock, which makes comitting it to melee tantamount to suicide.
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Madness is however an affliction which in war carries with it the advantage of surprise - Winston Churchill |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/08/23 17:54:39
Subject: Sturm & Drang up on PP website
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Regular Dakkanaut
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Saber wrote:Let's hope it has a better feat than poor 'ol Thagrosh, though.
. . . not sure if serious. . .
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/08/23 20:14:08
Subject: Sturm & Drang up on PP website
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Wraith
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Can't be.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/08/24 06:48:30
Subject: Sturm & Drang up on PP website
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Saber wrote:I mean, I like Zahn and all but I think Goethe gets the nod in that contest. Know your German metaphysics, kids! Most of the twentieth century's problems have their orgin in nineteenth century Germans using big words to do confusing things.
Well, at least he wasn't trying to claim it as a Harry Potter reference, which I've seen some people do
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2021-4 Plog - Here we go again... - my fifth attempt at a Dakka PLOG
My Pile of Potential - updates ongoing...
Gamgee on Tau Players wrote:we all kill cats and sell our own families to the devil and eat live puppies.
Kanluwen wrote:This is, emphatically, why I will continue suggesting nuking Guard and starting over again. It's a legacy army that needs to be rebooted with a new focal point.
Confirmation of why no-one should listen to Kanluwen when it comes to the IG - he doesn't want the IG, he want's Kan's New Model Army...
tneva82 wrote:You aren't even trying ty pretend for honest arqument. Open bad faith trolling. - No reason to keep this here, unless people want to use it for something... |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/08/24 12:17:35
Subject: Sturm & Drang up on PP website
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Dakka Veteran
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themocaw wrote:Saber wrote:Let's hope it has a better feat than poor 'ol Thagrosh, though.
. . . not sure if serious. . .
Sure I am. I'm refering to eThagrosh's feat, the one that gives warbeasts, and warbeasts only, a 3" move and an attack. It's not a terrible feat, especially if you have Manifest Destiny up to quasi-boost attacks, but it is rather lackluster. Compare it to, say, eStryker's feat.
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Madness is however an affliction which in war carries with it the advantage of surprise - Winston Churchill |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/08/24 13:49:45
Subject: Sturm & Drang up on PP website
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Dominar
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You mean Dragon Storm, where all warbeasts in Thag's control area can make a full advance and attack once?
The feat that gives Shredders a 19" non-linear threat radius with 4 dice drop lowest attack and damage rolls?
You can arc Scourge through a Spell Martyr for ultra-long range assassinations against anybody with ARM18 or less.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/08/24 14:49:59
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Wraith
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He's hard to impress I guess.
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