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Fateweaver
333 Points

4xFlamers
140 Points

4xFlamers
140 Points

3xFlamers
105 Points

15xPink Horrors
Chaos Icon, Bolt of Tzeentch, Changeling
295 Points

5xPink Horrors
Bolt of Tzeentch
95 Points

5xPink Horrors
Bolt of Tzeentch
95 Points

5xPink Horrors
Bolt of Tzeentch
95 Points

5xPink Horrors
Bolt of Tzeentch
95 Points

5xPink Horrors
Bolt of Tzeentch
95 Points

Daemon Prince
Mark of Tzeentch, Daemonic Gaze, Bolt of Tzeentch
155 Points

Daemon Prince
Mark of Tzeentch, Daemonic Gaze, Bolt of Tzeentch
155 Points

Daemon Prince
Wings, Mark of Tzeentch, Daemonic Gaze, Unholy Might
200 Points

1998 Points

I don't think Fateweaver is well suited here. He's fantastic for leading a throng of bad mo fo's into close combat... he's kind of a waste of points as a sorceror unsupported.

I suggest Heralds of Tzeentch with Bolt + Chariot

You can field 3 of them instead of Fateweaver, and have points left over. Plus they come with gaze for free.

Hell, if you scaled down that 15 man pink horror blob, you could run 4 chariots. Ballin'!!

Cottonjaw speaks wise words.

Fateweaver can be used in this list to escort the DPs around. Maybe try the list out and see how you like it. I'd personally drop Fateweaver and some of the horrors from the large unit for four HoT on chariot with bolt and master of sorcery. That's pretty close to my 2k tzeentch list.

Yeah.. I just sat down and did a little tweaking of your list, and you could have a SERIOUSLY nasty, all Tzeentch list, if you drop fateweaver and modify that blob-o-horrors... check this out:

Chaos Daemons @ 2000p

Herald of Tzeentch @ 110p
Gaze(free), Bolt, Chariot, Master Sorceror, We Are Legion

Herald of Tzeentch @ 110p
Gaze(free), Bolt, Chariot, Master Sorceror, We Are Legion

Herald of Tzeentch @ 110p
Gaze(free), Bolt, Chariot, Master Sorceror, We Are Legion

Herald of Tzeentch @ 110p
Gaze(free), Bolt, Chariot, Master Sorceror, We Are Legion

4xFlamers
140 Points

4xFlamers
140 Points

4xFlamers
140 Points

6x Screamers of Tzeentch @ 96p

5xPink Horrors
Bolt of Tzeentch, Changeling
100 Points

5xPink Horrors
Bolt of Tzeentch
95 Points

5xPink Horrors
Bolt of Tzeentch
95 Points

5xPink Horrors
Bolt of Tzeentch
95 Points

5xPink Horrors
Bolt of Tzeentch
95 Points

5xPink Horrors
Bolt of Tzeentch
95 Points

Daemon Prince
Mark of Tzeentch, Daemonic Gaze, Bolt of Tzeentch
155 Points

Daemon Prince
Mark of Tzeentch, Daemonic Gaze, Bolt of Tzeentch
155 Points

Daemon Prince
Mark of Tzeentch, Daemonic Gaze, Bolt of Tzeentch
155 Points

This list is absolute devastation. I know where you were going with the UM + wings prince, his mission was heavy armor penetration, and it's a decent idea, but Nurgle princes or Khorne princes (or bloodthirsters) are sooo much better suited for this, where Tzeentch princes are better suited as firing platforms. Tzeentch has the best (and most cost effective) answer for heavy armor: screamers of Tzeentch. They're going to get shot up, but they only have one target, that Land Raider or Leman Russ. Only 1 has to get in, to do massive damage. This is a much more optimized way to deal with heavy armor, and it doesn't sacrifice a heavy support or HQ slot to do so.

With the inclusion of the 4 flying tzeentch chariots of doom, you've got a mobile, highly potent, and effective list. Deepstrike your princes aggressively (within 10" of enemy units, no closer to avoid mishap) and conservatively with your horrors. Screamers should be out of LOS so they can sneak in, and murder their target.

4 chariots + 3 princes + Screamers = 8 high priority targets. This will keep your troops safe, and allow you to run pure MSU. If they choose to go after your troops, you'll table them while they flail away at invo saves.

I deleted your Icon. Icons are good for wound allocation shenanigans on Bloodcrushers in Fatecrusher lists... that's about it. Otherwise, they are a crutch. Effective deepstriking is the key to playing Chaos Daemons, and once you get the knack of placing your units, you'll have no problems without them. A single Chaos Icon is going to result in a bunched up force, that's going to eat pie plate all game, and get rocked.

Yep. I drank a few energy drinks this morning.

Oh.. and.. P.S, you got another Flamer out of the deal, too. Money!

When I first started on Daemons, I drew up a list like this while fooling around in ArmyBuilder. It seems like it'd be absolutely vicious. Hard to imagine many things standing up to so many Bolts per round.

Tempting though that may be, it also feels like unrepentant cheese. I mean, I just have a hard time picturing a "friendly game" with this list, much like any other spam list. Add that to the fact that you'll have to convert 4 Screamer-driven chariots to play it.. It just seems like a lot of $$$ and work for a list that will essentially play itself and probably won't be very fun to play against either.

Not trying to dog on this list at all. Like I said, I think it would be excellent in-game. More than anything, I'm wrestling with my own desire to play it myself.

The new Herald on Disc + a Screamer + Jewelers Chain = Chariot of Tzeentch.

Done.

As for the cheese.. well.. with all the razorback parking lot, IG Vehicle Pool and CSM Lash-nannigans that I see, It's all just shades of cheddar. Go big or go home.

I guess I meant a chariot that would look nice. According to the fluff, I believe it's supposed to be two Screamers.

Is there any designated base size for a HoT's chariot? Same as Fantasy maybe?


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Yikes..even that way it's $220+ retail :0

whigwam wrote:I guess I meant a chariot that would look nice. According to the fluff, I believe it's supposed to be two Screamers.

Is there any designated base size for a HoT's chariot? Same as Fantasy maybe?


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Yikes..even that way it's $220+ retail :0

That's why I would only model 1 screamer pulling the chariot. Fluff =/= rules. That's the way my chariots were, and they looked great. What would you suggest for a Tzeentch chariot that "looks nice"? I mean it's not like there are that many options.

There is no designated chariot base for WH40k. There is no designated model for any 40K chariot. Hell, there isn't a WHFB Tzeentch Chariot model. Therefore, you have to convert and fall under the "approve with TO" rule. I don't see it being a problem, as mine never were. Your opponent getting models into base-to-base with your chariot would be the only arguement, and honestly that doesn't really matter, since the chariot is as good as dead anyway, in CC. Even guardsmen will take it down.

Cottonjaw wrote:Fluff =/= rules.

Obviously not, but people often look to fluff when making a conversion for a nonexistent model. I understand it doesn't matter to many players, but I would want to get it right personally. It's all personal taste really. To me, a chariot pulled by one little Screamer would look strange (especially if the "Chariot" is actually just a Disc of Tzeentch...which is actually just another Screamer, and thus capable of flying all by itself). I'd want something that resembles a proper chariot, meaning simple shielding for the rider (that +1 T has to come from somewhere!). There are an infinitude of parts that could be used for this conversion and, if I were doing it, the pricetag would grow fast. Even the simple conversion you suggest is pretty pricey. (If ever I do make one, I'd prefer to start with this beautiful fellow. As for chariot models, I think the Tomb Kings have a few Tzeentch-y looking options).

Again, these are my own personal standards. If you're happy with your conversions, that's fine. I wouldn't object to a person using them in game against me or anything. My point was mostly that if I'm going to invest time/energy/money converting models and building a list like this, I'd want to at least believe I'd enjoy playing it a lot. To me it looks like one of the other "cheese" lists you mentioned: powerful, not very fun to play with, and not very fun to play against. "Fun" is again a subjective value so please don't read into it too much.

Cottonjaw wrote:There is no designated chariot base for WH40k. There is no designated model for any 40K chariot. Hell, there isn't a WHFB Tzeentch Chariot model.

Well yeah. It would be a 40k model if it did exist. For that reason, I figure the best "good faith" option would be the standard chariot base from Fantasy, so that's what I'd do most likely. Again, different standards.

Cottonjaw wrote:Your opponent getting models into base-to-base with your chariot would be the only arguement

I'd worry more about people pitching a fit over measuring shooting distance. I try to avoid any conflict like that.