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Ment to ask has anyone seen 9th edition points for Dayek?

Having a Deepstriking infantry keyworded charictor feels like it could come in pretry clutch for us with the secondarys.
   
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I was wondering, does anyone know how to include Farsight's The Eight in a detachment?

Last edition it was in an Aux. Super Heavy detachment that cost you 3CP for the 3 Signature Systems. Now, all Aux. Super Heavy detachments cost 3CP, so does The Eight still cost 3CP, or 6CP?

Or is it eligible for the new Supreme Command Detachment? As you already require Farsight to also be the Warlord in your army...

 
   
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Nothing is currently eligible for the Supreme Command detachment beyond Bobby, Morty and Magnus. The "Supreme Commander" keyword has not been added to any datasheets as of yet, and the SCD is explicit in what it can hold.

As a result, the only way to utilize The Eight is by following the rules laid out in PA: Greater Good, which is sadly via a Superheavy Aux (plus the other stated restrictions).

Which is, to my mind, hilariously dumb, and makes me even more convinced that we're not playing with the full 9th rules yet. But why GW is holding back things that would allow armies to function at the launch of the new edition is beyond me.

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Sterling191 wrote:
Nothing is currently eligible for the Supreme Command detachment beyond Bobby, Morty and Magnus. The "Supreme Commander" keyword has not been added to any datasheets as of yet, and the SCD is explicit in what it can hold.

As a result, the only way to utilize The Eight is by following the rules laid out in PA: Greater Good, which is sadly via a Superheavy Aux (plus the other stated restrictions).

Which is, to my mind, hilariously dumb, and makes me even more convinced that we're not playing with the full 9th rules yet. But why GW is holding back things that would allow armies to function at the launch of the new edition is beyond me.


Oh wow, so currently it will cost 6CP to field The Eight (1250 points), and then another 3CP to field say a battalion since no CP refund because Farsight (the Warlord), is locked in the Superheavy Aux....??

Woah, so to start the battle with 3CP left...harsh.

 
   
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 Waking Dreamer wrote:

Oh wow, so currently it will cost 6CP to field The Eight (1250 points), and then another 3CP to field say a battalion since no CP refund because Farsight (the Warlord), is locked in the Superheavy Aux....??

Woah, so to start the battle with 3CP left...harsh.


Ayup. The Eight are squarely back in their de facto Open Play only status.
   
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I'm looking at dusting off my Tau for 9E having played mostly IG during 8E. My first is slated for 7/28 so I'll have a few days to get used to the new rule book, missions, etc. My opponent is playing Chaos Knights. Any suggestion for how to deal with them?
   
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 necron99 wrote:
I'm looking at dusting off my Tau for 9E having played mostly IG during 8E. My first is slated for 7/28 so I'll have a few days to get used to the new rule book, missions, etc. My opponent is playing Chaos Knights. Any suggestion for how to deal with them?


Knights (and Titanic units in general) have some real weaknesses in the new terrain rules. Use Obscuring to your advantage as much as possible to prevent your opponent from getting a bead on you. Furthermore, low count armies are going to have a serious handicap when it comes to contesting the objective focused nature of 9th. Play the board, play the mission.

Beyond that, most of what you know about fighting Knights from 8th still holds true. Bait out the Ion Shields, then light up everything else on the board.
   
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Ice_can wrote:
Ment to ask has anyone seen 9th edition points for Dayek?

Having a Deepstriking infantry keyworded charictor feels like it could come in pretry clutch for us with the secondarys.

40+ IIRC, he was mentioned in one of the SS82 review videos but I don't remember the exact amount. He went up significantly, that I do remember for sure.


 
   
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Ouch that's alot more than I was expecting might still have some use but it's alot harder to justify when he's the same as 5 FW.
   
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With the changes to terrain and moving with heavy I am thinking that JSJ with Riptides will be really effective. Does the 2D6 movement in the charge phase act like normal movement with a jetpack?
   
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 ke3f wrote:
With the changes to terrain and moving with heavy I am thinking that JSJ with Riptides will be really effective. Does the 2D6 movement in the charge phase act like normal movement with a jetpack?

Jetpack does nothing as a keyword FYI it's fly your looking for and to be honest I'm still not super convinced that what your proposing will actually work in practice unless your opponents list is very slow and you can afford to kite them.

In all honestt I see it being far more valuable for claiming objectives but that's still not the best as 1 non obsec model does not a great objective holder make.
   
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 ke3f wrote:
With the changes to terrain and moving with heavy I am thinking that JSJ with Riptides will be really effective. Does the 2D6 movement in the charge phase act like normal movement with a jetpack?


Keep in mind that all an opponent has to do is touch Obscuring terrain to be able to see through it. It's not for a moment a fire and fade cure-all if you're hiding behind it.
   
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 ke3f wrote:
With shield drones going up to 15pts compared to gun/marker drones at 10pts how are people looking to mix their drones?

I've done a bit of calculating and if you kept the drones out of LOS and only use them for saviour protocols then gun drones are more efficient per point.
If they are being targeted by 0AP (single wound) shots the gun drones are still more efficient per point.
If they are being targeted by 1AP (single wound) shots the shield drones are now more efficient per point.
If they are being targeted by 2/3AP (single wound) shots the shield drones are a lot more efficient per point.

I'm thinking of running squads of mainly gun/marker drones with a couple of shield drones to be used against higher AP single wound shots.


Dont forget that the new allocation rule wont make this work very well. Once you allocate to a model...you must KEEP allocating to that SAME model until it specifically dies. so it can get real tricky if the enemy decides to make you resolve say AP -3 first, then 0, then -4. So the allocation rules for wounds changed in a very SIGNIFICANT but subtle way.

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Good thing drone usage is not allocation then.

can neither confirm nor deny I lost track of what I've got right now. 
   
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 BoomWolf wrote:
Good thing drone usage is not allocation then.


The above discussion isnt about Saviour Protocols, but rather mixing drones within a squad for points efficiency while taking direct fire.
   
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So, can a charged unit fire Overwatch, THEN be targeted by the 'Fire Overwatch' stratagem to fire again? The supporting fire units cannot fire again, but the charged unit apparently can.

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 carldooley wrote:
So, can a charged unit fire Overwatch, THEN be targeted by the 'Fire Overwatch' stratagem to fire again? The supporting fire units cannot fire again, but the charged unit apparently can.


RAW as we know it so far (Assuming the charged unit has not expended their FtGG or otherwise become ineligible to fire overwatch)? Yes.

Expect it to be FAQed.
   
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 Jancoran wrote:
Dont forget that the new allocation rule wont make this work very well. Once you allocate to a model...you must KEEP allocating to that SAME model until it specifically dies. so it can get real tricky if the enemy decides to make you resolve say AP -3 first, then 0, then -4. So the allocation rules for wounds changed in a very SIGNIFICANT but subtle way.

This is a good point, I hadn't considered it at all and the allocation applies to the model until the end of the phase so other units could target after with different AP... savage.
   
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Sterling191 wrote:
 carldooley wrote:
So, can a charged unit fire Overwatch, THEN be targeted by the 'Fire Overwatch' stratagem to fire again? The supporting fire units cannot fire again, but the charged unit apparently can.


RAW as we know it so far (Assuming the charged unit has not expended their FtGG or otherwise become ineligible to fire overwatch)? Yes.

Expect it to be FAQed.

I would realy advise people not to cheese this as we'll just end up with some GW band aid of No unit my fire overwatch more than once per round and it'll screw us harder than if we had just left it alone.
   
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 carldooley wrote:
So, can we now include a Dal'yth Stormsurge for mobile, placeable cover?
Counts as being in cover if it doesn't move.
5+" tall


For further note 5"+ thing is for OBSCURING terrain trait. Does it have it? No? Not obscuring. 5"+ requirement is nowhere else. Nor does any 5"+ terrain automatically have obscuring trait and if terrain piece doesn't have 5"+ height part obscuring trait does nothing.

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 BoomWolf wrote:
Good thing drone usage is not allocation then.


Can be when there are mixed drones.


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 ke3f wrote:
 Jancoran wrote:
Dont forget that the new allocation rule wont make this work very well. Once you allocate to a model...you must KEEP allocating to that SAME model until it specifically dies. so it can get real tricky if the enemy decides to make you resolve say AP -3 first, then 0, then -4. So the allocation rules for wounds changed in a very SIGNIFICANT but subtle way.

This is a good point, I hadn't considered it at all and the allocation applies to the model until the end of the phase so other units could target after with different AP... savage.


Yeah its a small nuance that skilled players are going to take advantage of.

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So how do we handle the Shadowsun data sheet in the Greater Good book? None of her weapons are listed in the field manual. Seems cheesy to say high yield fusion blasters are free :(

What's the story with the book in general I guess. Can I still use it? The GT 2020 book just says you can't use specialist detachments but I don't see any. So could I grab a proto type weapon and use the strats?

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 necron99 wrote:
So how do we handle the Shadowsun data sheet in the Greater Good book? None of her weapons are listed in the field manual. Seems cheesy to say high yield fusion blasters are free :(

What's the story with the book in general I guess. Can I still use it? The GT 2020 book just says you can't use specialist detachments but I don't see any. So could I grab a proto type weapon and use the strats?


wargear & weapons are included in named characters cost, but not drones, which you still need to pay for.

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 necron99 wrote:
So how do we handle the Shadowsun data sheet in the Greater Good book? None of her weapons are listed in the field manual. Seems cheesy to say high yield fusion blasters are free :(

What's the story with the book in general I guess. Can I still use it? The GT 2020 book just says you can't use specialist detachments but I don't see any. So could I grab a proto type weapon and use the strats?


Everything in PA greater good is available for use. I will also point out that the GT 2020 precludes specialist detachments from tournament play only. They are still perfectly legal for matched play. Its a change that doesnt affect us, so be magnanimus when other folks want to run their Vigilus toys.

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What Are your general tactics for 9th Ed games? Stealth suits and devilfish for early objective holders with riptides as fire support? My problem is that we don’t have a lot of staying power in out units without the drones. In my experience, it’s risky to rush objectives with our squishy army.
   
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So in today's dose of "Dafuq you thinking GW???", The Eight can never benefit from the Farsight Enclaves sept tenets because they can only ever be taken in a Superheavy Aux detachment.

That's right kids, Farsight forgets he's part of his own Enclave.
   
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Thoughts on using xv8 suits with missile pods and ats in Farsight Enclaves? If they’re veterans and I use the 5 marker light stratagem m, they’re pretty killy. SUPER expensive, but Killy.
   
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 killerpenguin wrote:
Thoughts on using xv8 suits with missile pods and ats in Farsight Enclaves? If they’re veterans and I use the 5 marker light stratagem m, they’re pretty killy. SUPER expensive, but Killy.

They unfortunately are also prime targets for getting killed and with shield drones going up finding the pointd for drones ontop of the riptides stealthsuits and troops you need becomes a stretch and unfortunately with the new vehical improvements and especially the new Primaris Predator+ I suspect shield drones are going to be having an even harder time of it and we'll need as mamy as possible.
   
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Sterling191 wrote:
So in today's dose of "Dafuq you thinking GW???", The Eight can never benefit from the Farsight Enclaves sept tenets because they can only ever be taken in a Superheavy Aux detachment.

That's right kids, Farsight forgets he's part of his own Enclave.


Specific rules beat general.

It says on the datasheet for The Eight that they get the Sept Tenet - so they do get it despite the general case that Superheavy Aux would not. It is very clearly worded that all the models in The Eight get the Sept Tenet, seemed odd to have that there before but its useful now.

I still think the change from the old Character rule to the new Look Out Sir hurts them too much but maybe someone can still craft a semi-competitive list out of them.



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 Waking Dreamer wrote:


Oh wow, so currently it will cost 6CP to field The Eight (1250 points), and then another 3CP to field say a battalion since no CP refund because Farsight (the Warlord), is locked in the Superheavy Aux....??

Woah, so to start the battle with 3CP left...harsh.


FAQ today they lost the specific -3CP thing. So they cost the 3CP for fielding a superheavy auxiliary detachment and then you will need to pay CP for another detachment to go with them. Although having played The Eight in 8th edition I'd say that still leaves them with more CP over the game than they used to have.

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Do you guys think the taunar points is a mistanke?
   
 
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