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hi i have

2 necron lords
60 warriors
10 immortals
6 pariahs
8 desroyers
2 heavy desroyers
1 tomb spyder
1 nightbringer
2 monoliths
10 scarab swarms

could you make this army to a anti chaos space marine army

by the way the chaos player uses alot of assault weapons and uses deamon price

also could anyone tell me how to kill a deamon prince will be appreciated

i need to beat him thanks

Just shoot them as far as daemon princes go. Making them roll dice means they eventually will fail. Or attack with pariahs in CC. How many points are you going for and what is he taking? In general if you use 2 monoliths he will most likely have a difficult time dealing with it no matter what the rest of your army entails.

What points do you normally play at? That will give me a better idea of what points to make a army list from.

I'd give one of the lords veil of darkness and res orb, and put him with 10 immortals. 20 shots a turn at Strength 5 is nothing to sniff at, especially when you can move out of harms way to another side of the board.

2 monoliths will own him, since they are so hard to kill, and unless he has obliterators he will have a hard time killing them.

Either use 30 or 20 warriors. 30 will give you more troops, but it is arguably a waste of points. 20 will give you less troops, but you wont have 540 points on arguably worthless models. (I use 40 warriors.)

I would use the destroyers in 2 squads of 4. That will give a highly mobile firebase, that puts out lots of anti everything shots.

The scarabs wont be much use against chaos, since they cannot tarpit them. (Chaos have lots of attacks). Though they can be used as a distraction, although lash princes will ruin their day.


And to kill daemon princes, since necrons have a significant lack of AP3 and less, just make them roll lots of dice. And with 10 immortals and 8 destroyers, that wont be hard.

Hope that helps!

im sorry im new to this im doing a 2000pts battle this week and i what if it is objectives i will need more warriors wont i?

Eternally Cursed Dice wrote:im sorry im new to this im doing a 2000pts battle this week and i what if it is objectives i will need more warriors wont i?

Depends. Do you wont to focus on those objectives, or just go for the throat? (Means just kill the opponent). For 2000 points, I would do something like this.

Necron lord (#1); (#1) Veil of darkness (#1); resurrection orb - 200 (P)
Necron lord (#1); Destroyer body (#1); Phase shifter (#1); Resurrection orb (#1); Warsythe (#1) - 210 (P)
Necron Immortals (#10) - 280 (P)
Necron Warriors (#10) - 180 (P)
Necron Warriors (#10) - 180 (P)
Scarab swarms (#6) - 72 (P)
Destroyers (#4) - 200 (P)
Destroyers (#4) - 200 (P)
Monolith (#1) - 235 (P)
Monolith (#1) - 235 (P)

thats good army list but what about phase maybe get rid of a monolith and add more warriors? should i do that.

what will the scarabs do?

i definatly keep both of the lords =)

Just hide your warriors in reserve as they are a liability.

Eternally Cursed Dice wrote:thats good army list but what about phase maybe get rid of a monolith and add more warriors? should i do that.

Phase shouldn't be a problem. Reason for this? Because when necrons are that low in models, they are almost beat anyway.

what will the scarabs do?

They simply boost around the the destroyer lord. If your opponent has vindicators, then stick him with the destroyers. If not, then he goes with scarabs. Reason: Beacuse when they turbo-bost, the scarabs gain a 2+ cover save, and with 3 wounds that's hard to kill. They also act as ablative wounds the the more important D. Lord. (Note on using the destroyer lord: only ever use him on vehicles (not walkers) and very small, vulnerable enemy units. He does not have the attacks or WS to take on hordes of enemy models.)

thank you did you put distrution fields on the scarabs? will that be useful?

Also, a note on warriros: Keep them in reserve, and wlk them on from the table edge. They aren't decent enough to go shoot enemy face, and they need to capture objectives.


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Eternally Cursed Dice wrote:thank you did you put distrution fields on the scarabs? will that be useful?

Not on small squads. Remember, they need to roll to hit vehicles as well, so 8-10 man squads are best for D.fields.

ok i have couple more questions and i think will be ready

is a tomb spyder worth taking?

Eternally Cursed Dice wrote:ok i have couple more questions and i think will be ready

is a tomb spyder worth taking?

They can be, but they just contest with a HS slot with a monolith. It's totally dependent on your playstyle.

my mate uses obliterators and there impossible to kill any units that will do some harm or do i have to use alot of firepower?

has anyone else have advice on defeating chaos or any comments?

The Deceiver can be a VERY powerful tool if you know how to use him. If you search for DashofPepper's Necron tactics then he can really help you run Necrons well.

Speaking of running Necrons well, sadly, they are a gimped army. They have an old book and quite a few disadvantages. It's certainly not impossible to win, but it will be an uphill battle. Hopefully, Necrons will be updated soon and that will change, but for now, you deal with what you can.

Warriors are, for all intents and purposes, dead weight. Now, they CAN do damage, but against any good assault units, they will get wiped out. Honestly, Necron Warrior units out in the open will probably contribute to phase out more than they will prevent it, due to their low initiative and the Sweeping Advance rule. So it is best to keep Necron Warriors in reserve as much as possible, bringing them onto the field at the end of the game to grab objectives.

Destroyers are amazing. High Strength and many shots make them your ideal Daemon Prince killers, especially since they can move just as fast as him and still fire, or faster and not fire. He'll never catch 'em short of bad planning and Lash of Submission.

A third Monolith can be great, but might not be able to fit into a 2000 pt. list. But for higher points, you'll want one. Monoliths are key to Necron mobility and survival with that awesome Teleport ability. Necron Warriors got stuck in close combat? Teleport them out of it. Immortals got stuck in a bad position to fire? Teleport them to a better spot. Keep in mind you can rotate your Monolith before teleporting, so face the Monolith away from your opponent if you're trying to protect something. A monolith is HELL to destroy.

Being able to spy on your enemies plans is very useful.

Although I must admit, I'm new to the Chaos scene myself, it was very easy the first game to beat him because I've had a lot of experience against Necrons and he has none against CSM.

I look forward to our next game.

my current army so far

necron lord resurrection orb veil of darkness 200pts
necron lord with desroyer body resurrection orb phase shifter warsythe 210pts
15 warriors 270pts
14 warriors 252pts
10 immortals 280pts
5 destroyers 250pts
1 heavy destroyer 65pts
2 monoliths 470pts

1997pts

if i want the deciever i will have to get rid of a monolith and somthing else is it worth it? or anything i need to change

darkvoidof40k i will win against you

Eternally Cursed Dice wrote:my current army so far

necron lord resurrection orb veil of darkness 200pts
necron lord with desroyer body resurrection orb phase shifter warsythe 210pts
15 warriors 270pts
14 warriors 252pts
10 immortals 280pts
5 destroyers 250pts
1 heavy destroyer 65pts
2 monoliths 470pts

1997pts

if i want the deciever i will have to get rid of a monolith and somthing else is it worth it? or anything i need to change

darkvoidof40k i will win against you

That Heavy destroyer will die if your opponent looks at it funny. When it's down, it can't get back up, so just get rid of it and save Darkvoid the trouble. There is no point in taking 29 warriors. Either take 30 or 20. Or 40. And, because you have so few destroyer at this points level, the D.Lord won't do much, and doesn't have a scarab retinue so he can assault. Then, get loads more destroyers. Or, just run this list.

Lord, D body, phase shifter, res orb, warscythe
11 warriors
10 warriors
5 destroyers
5 destroyers
4 destroyers
monolith
Monolith
Monolith

Tried and tested.

i agree put a lot more destroyers in but the problem is i only have 8 destroyers and only 2 monoliths so i like immortals they are very good with a lord so if you can adapt it that would be most helpful

I don't have a destroyer lord so I wouldn't know how to use one well.
But what I will say is this: get some scarabs and use them to Bog Down the best CC unit your opponent has. All you can realisticly hope for is to weaken it enough so a shooty one can kill it. (5 Destroyers would do it without to much trouble.)

IHateNids wrote:I don't have a destroyer lord so I wouldn't know how to use one well.
But what I will say is this: get some scarabs and use them to Bog Down the best CC unit your opponent has. All you can realisticly hope for is to weaken it enough so a shooty one can kill it. (5 Destroyers would do it without to much trouble.)

But what is his most CC unit could it be Abadon or a daemon prince If so the scarabs are not worth it.

Keep the monoliths (trust me you wont regret it).

What about wraiths then?
they could wound abadon easily enough.
teleport them out of CC with a monolith then kill abbadon with destroyers. sorted.

Wraiths, i can safely say, suck, they suck big style

RatWolf wrote:Wraiths, i can safely say, suck, they suck big style

1=Dose.

Full squad=Very good CC unit.

Fulls squad still suck, there like Tyranid Raveners, cept there slower, and Raveners suck too

RatWolf wrote:Fulls squad still suck, there like Tyranid Raveners, cept there slower, and Raveners suck too

Have you seen the nid players raveners? in a full squad there quite a powerful unit.

i have used wraiths in my time and they do ok with infantry thats it everything else seem to kill them

so i have a few questions left

how do you kill obliterators?
how to you kill a deamon prince with wings?

and any changes with my army

Everything sucks to you wolfie. Everything except your own overpowered butt-heads.


as for the deamon, well just shoot it till it dies or use the Nightbringer. thats what i do

Eternally Cursed Dice wrote:i have used wraiths in my time and they do ok with infantry thats it everything else seem to kill them

so i have a few questions left

how do you kill obliterators?
how to you kill a deamon prince with wings?

and any changes with my army

Obits =Monolith ordnance it.

Daemon prince=dose it have warptime and mark of nurgle?

1, yes, i ve slaughtered his raveners
2, Obliterators, arent they just relentless Terminators? Monolith them, lots and lots of Monolith
3. Destroyers, lots and lots of destroyers, thay should whittle the Daemon Prince down, if you remove his armour save, then he only has a 5+ inv save which, if you throw enough bullets at him, should fail