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I've seen a few lists featuring Chaos Dreadnoughts. My initial impression was that they're not worth it, since seemingly every squad is running around with meltaguns or power fists. I figured it'd just get blown up before it did any good, with the chance of shooting your own units. Now I'm starting to wonder....

Are they worth taking, and if so, how are they supposed to be equipped?

My thoughts would be to run a Close Combat dread using the extra dread CCW and extra armour, maybe with a heavy flamer, to at least have Crazed work for me some of the time.

Chaos Dreadnoughts are good, just keep them far away from your stuff.

SageMage96 wrote:Chaos Dreadnoughts are good, just keep them far away from your stuff.

My friend plays chaos and never fields his dread anymore. He was womping on my space marines. Then his dread forgot to take his Valium and tore apart something expensive. Honestly it made the game funnier but if you really want to win it's kinda of a 50/50. They can be great but yeah, make sure they stay away from you other units.

I love my Chaos Dreads. Sure, sometimes things get a little bit sketchy, however they can be AWESOME!

Very high risk, very high reward.

My look when my two Chaos Dreadnoughts killed my Defiler and Vindicator, followed by ripping each other :(

My opponents look when my Dreadnought got nine attacks on the charge

They are so cheap too, and they got an attack over the loyalist pups. The multi-melta is only ten points as well!


My only gripe with this bad boy is that he has to walk up the field, being more likely to hurt your men. I think if Chaos has access to Drop Pods (I don't even want to hear Dreadclaw) in standard games people would cry OP for the crazed rule.

I suggest switch them out for Chaos Obliteraters.

I am not big on them because of there point value

I've seen builds with a chainfist and a missile launcher. Deploy FAR away from the rest of your stuff. If you get fire frenzy, shoot frag missiles at a rhino or LR of yours and you should do no damage to your guys.

Still far from optimal as you'll keep missing turns, but at least you can minimize the damage.

SageMage96 wrote:Chaos Dreadnoughts are good, just keep them far away from your stuff.

Well, I'd equip them with cc weapons. The storm bolter is not going to hurt much if its being shot at the own units.

Eternalhero1983 wrote:I suggest switch them out for Chaos Obliteraters.

I am not big on them because of there point value

This would make sense if they took up the same FOC slot. As they do not, and the heavy section probably already contains units (where else is chaos going to get effective units? FA? lol), not an especially helpful comment. Maybe if you said take termies or chosen instead...

As for controlling chaos dreads, if you look up the rules for how chaos dreads work, and how shooting dreads in general work, you will find (IIRC, been awhile since I looked it up, and GW has a habit of ruling against logic) you can avoid shooting at your own units if the dread doesn't have LOS from his visible arc. Yes, facing for picking targets does matter, even if dreads get a free pivot in shooting, that happens after the target is declared. I of course could be wrong, but that is how I remember the argument explained.

Obliterators are the better choice than Dreads unless you plan to run a Monster Mash list, with DPs, GD, 3 Dreads, 3 Defilers and whatnot.

wuestenfux wrote:Obliterators are the better choice than Dreads unless you plan to run a Monster Mash list, with DPs, GD, 3 Dreads, 3 Defilers and whatnot.

I'd agree with you 9 times out of 10. Oblits are fantastic, but the reason I asked is cause I want that extra "oomph" in a Close-combat centred Chaos list I'm toying around with.

notabot187 wrote:As for controlling chaos dreads, if you look up the rules for how chaos dreads work, and how shooting dreads in general work, you will find (IIRC, been awhile since I looked it up, and GW has a habit of ruling against logic) you can avoid shooting at your own units if the dread doesn't have LOS from his visible arc. Yes, facing for picking targets does matter, even if dreads get a free pivot in shooting, that happens after the target is declared. I of course could be wrong, but that is how I remember the argument explained.

Interesting. I'll have to look at the rules again and keep this in mind.

hmm, that monster mash list sounds interesting...

I've never tried a monster mash myself, maybe because I need two more Defilers, another DP, and a GD. Damn GW for only making two in Finecast... That looks really fun though, I'm dying to try it.

Justus wrote:I've never tried a monster mash myself, maybe because I need two more Defilers, another DP, and a GD. Damn GW for only making two in Finecast... That looks really fun though, I'm dying to try it.

Yeah, monster mash is fun to play. Add some CSM in Rhinos and some Daemons.

That's just damn nasty, so many huge targets to fire at. I played the classic chaos list against my space wolves buddy. He discovered that Dreadnoughts don't like Daemon Princes

Bruno Sardine, Private Inbreastigator?? Awesome man.

Sorry.

Yes, monster mash is great fun. Otherwise, I don't think CSM Dreads have much of a place, as Termicide are better special weapon support, and about as good in CC.

odorofdeath wrote:Bruno Sardine, Private Inbreastigator?? Awesome man..

Yes! Someone got the reference!

That monster mash list sounds like fun, if a little goofy. To summarize, it's more or less as many Daemon Princes, Defilers, Dreadnoughts, Greater Daemons and minimized CSM squads with icons as can fit in a list, correct?

Thanks for the tips!

Exactly. Lol.

Brotherjulian wrote:hmm, that monster mash list sounds interesting...

I got a buddy with a 1500 pts list including 3 dreads, a GD, and a defiler, its good times. You could go with more but he also has Kharn and some berserkers, oblits...

Chaos Dreads are ok with just CCW and maybe heavy flamers, then they just walk together in a pack doing nothing to each other if they go crazy. Plasma cannon can be alright, its hard to do much to your dreads with one.

Never actually seen a list with a Chaos Dread...although I've heard rumors of their destruction, both to the enemy and their friendlies. Generally though, I'd take Oblits if you wanna win or Dreads if you wanna have a good time.

Who said winning isn't a good time?? :p

I've read, and actually working on setting up, that 3x Dreads w/ MLs walking up a field close enough to each other that in case one or two go nuts they shoot at themselves with frag missiles, but far away enough so in case they feel like attacking each other they can't quite reach each other. Other than Havocs, there isn't really a reliable source of MLs, and Havocs are a heavy slot.

I think the biggest upsides to Chaos Dreads are their price, and the fact that your opponent will more often than not ignore them with the notion they will just kill your own stuff, and by the time he realizes they can be a threat they've already made their way up the field and are in his face.

As said before, they sync well with DPs/Sorcerors, Defilers, and Oblits. You can use Lash from a DP or Sorceror to force your opponent's units to be closer to your Dread than your own units are, making for certain that if they do get their crazy rolls it will be beneficial to you. Defilers and Oblits provide a similar support with gunlines, forcing the enemy into cover they may not want to be in, which oft times is where your Dreads will be heading anyways.

As for Troops, Standard CSM and PMs tend to work well with Dreads for obvious reasons.

Interesting suggestions. I've been looking at the Nurgle dread on forge world and I'm trying to justify buying it, so maybe I'll spring for it next time I have some cash

Yeah, the FW Chaos Dreads look effing awesome. Ironic, since they're such a poor unit in most lists.

Funny, I'm about to throw down some coin for the Emperor's Children Dreadnought with Sonic Weaponry and CCW... I used one last game I played and crazed into my pal's squad. He wasn't happy with two Multi-Meltas and two rounds of Missile Launcher

Well, in a monster mash list, I'd go for Daemons as troops since they can stall enemy infantry that would otherwise tie up your precious MCs.

wuestenfux wrote:Well, in a monster mash list, I'd go for Daemons as troops since they can stall enemy infantry that would otherwise tie up your precious MCs.

I dunno about this idea. They don't count towards your min troop requirement, and you need the gear to even bring them in. In a monster mash list you are going to be hurting for points unless you are playing over 1850. They aren't bad for cheap assault fodder, but I've always like them more in classic "daemon bomb" biker lists.

notabot187 wrote:

wuestenfux wrote:Well, in a monster mash list, I'd go for Daemons as troops since they can stall enemy infantry that would otherwise tie up your precious MCs.

I dunno about this idea. They don't count towards your min troop requirement, and you need the gear to even bring them in. In a monster mash list you are going to be hurting for points unless you are playing over 1850. They aren't bad for cheap assault fodder, but I've always like them more in classic "daemon bomb" biker lists.

The classical daemon bomb CSM army is dead since Daemons are too weak in this incarnation of the game - and there are no more *cough* siren Lords.

How are Summoned GD,in a CSM army?And does it matter what model you use?

Deadshot wrote:How are Summoned GD,in a CSM army?And does it matter what model you use?

Please read the codex. I could tell you the page number, but I have a French version.

No,I mean how do they fair?What is peoples opinion on them?