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So, Slaanesh is omnomnoming Eldar souls. Meanwhile the Eldar try to imagine a new god, Ynnead the god of Death, by putting their dead souls into the infinity circuit. Ynnead is supposed to bash Slaanesh, which is the way out for the Eldar.

Ynnead will only come about when the last Eldar has died. My question is: does this include the Harlequins and the Dark Eldar? 'Cause if that's the case I think Ynnead will have a long, very long incubation period.

Harlequins worship the laughing god, so Ynnead wint affect them. Dark eldar get absorbed by slaanesh anyway, so I don't think they will affect Ynnead either.

The fact that Harlequins worship Cegorach doesn't mean that Ynnead won't be able to influence thme or anything.

However, Harlequin souls are neither eaten by Slaanesh, nor captured within a soulstone and taken to an infinity circuit. So, maybe that takes them out of the loop as well.

As it is the souls in the infinity circuits that makes up Ynnead, only "usual" Eldar form Ynnead.

The answer is: no.

Only Craftworld Eldar join the Infinity Circuit and Ynnead. Harlequins go to Cegorach when they die (and thus have the best deal out of the Eldar factions in terms of afterlife), so no IC for them. Dunno about Exodites, but I'm pretty certain they don't utilise soulstones either.

Exodites have their own, unique IC IIRC. Not certain where I read it though.

Doesn't the Eldar codex mention Exodites having something like ICs?

Yes I also recall Exodites having IC

The Ynnead plan is a stupid one anyway. As it is Slaanesh has way more Eldar soul fuel then Ynnead will ever get.

You forget Harriticus Slaanesh is a bitch and the other gods constantly beat him up.

FlammingGaunt wrote:You forget Harriticus Slaanesh is a bitch and the other gods constantly beat him up.

If Slaanesh were truly in trouble, the 3 other Gods would come to his aid. The Gods would fear the balance of power between them would be tipped and the entire Great Game would be thrown into disarray.

Doubt it Chaos hates itself, especially win it comes Khorne and Slaanesh, and Tzeench and Nurgle

FlammingGaunt wrote:Yes I also recall Exodites having IC

Saw something I could reply to!

I believe its called a world spirit, its on page 14 of the eldar codex.

Well I'd imagine that if Slaanesh gets the smack down then dark eldar are going to be effected, i.e. not eaten. However, DE arn't put into the infinity circuit, so who knows.

Yeah Exodites have way stones and World Spirits which are planetary versions of a Craftworld's infinity circuit.

I also realize the potential problem in the Ynnead plan in that the Dark Eldar are essentially just leaking soul juice into Slannesh's keg, while Ynnead is getting pitfully few souls (I mean really a couple of tens of thousands of humans die for every Eldar that joins the infinty circuit each year)

So the only way their plan would work would be in 3 parts:

1. Kill every single Dark Eldar in Commoragh

2. Ride out the wave of Slanneshi power that will no doubt occur from him/her nomming all of those souls at once.

3. Hope that Ynnead can beat him/her at the Ranna Danndra

Pretty slim chance for all three parts, especially #1, but hey it's a plan.

I think that the Dark Eldar would be affected in some way if Ynnead came back, more so if slaanesh was to be done away with, because i'm sure stopping your soul from being slowly eaten away at would affect anyone! How it would affect them is a different matter altogether.

If Ynnead came back i'm fairly sure i read that the dark eldar hate all their gods bar khaine because they see them as weak for loosing against slaanesh. Im not sure if having one of them back would make them change their minds about the whole thing. Then again if he released their souls im sure they would have to be greatful in some way. I mean come on!


On the main point though to wait for all eldar to die would take an age, and seems like a bit of a large gamble to me

Thranriel wrote:
On the main point though to wait for all eldar to die would take an age, and seems like a bit of a large gamble to me

I believe they still have to have many generations of Eldar to die to actually form Ynnead, otherwise they might as well just mass-suicide, that doesn't make sense IMO.

The biggest problem with the Ynnead plan as already mentioned is the difference in power intake between Slaanesh and Ynnead. Even though individual Eldar souls may be more powerful than human ones, Slaanesh has a large regular intake of human souls from his human followers. Ynnead however is reliant on purely the amount of souls on the Craftworlds. Also any Craftworld that has its Infinity Circuits destroyed and emptied out, is a major blow to Ynnead and a boost to Slaanesh.

As for the Dark Eldar, they are still being leeched by Slaanesh. They just consume the pain of others to top themselves up. As for how they view Ynnead, the Kabal of the Last Hatred appears to want to enslave Ynnead:

The Last Hatred
Some say the 'Haters' seek to transcend mortality entirely, others that they wish to exterminate the Eldar race and enslave whatever entity is born from the ashes. Madness this may seem, but any who have looked into their eyes will never truly dismiss their ambition. Certainly they prosecute their kin-strife against the Craftworld Eldar and their Exodite kin with unmatched fury. WD 372

So Eldar haters get their own army?

Another thing that I thought about are Eldar outcasts, rangers and corsairs. All of which leave their craftworlds to seek lone paths. Fair enough but it raises the question that if you need every eldar to die its going to take a long, long time to track down all the fragmented parts of the eldar race.
Especially if these outcasts either go to the dark city or are lost and die alone, and therefore loosing more souls to slaanesh.


The only way I can think of that happening is that all of the eldar race if gathered together for some reason such as a major war, but all in all I agree theres a large gap between Slaanesh and Ynnead in soul intake.

Finally it could be that Ynnead simply wants to have the best possible chance of beating Slaanesh and is therefore just stockpiling as many souls as he can get. That way when all the eldar are dead he really has no other choice than to come into life and give it a shot? I guess this would also suggest he could come into being much sooner than the eldar think.

Of course we may never find out, but it would sure make things interesting!

I've never understood how this Ynnead plan is supposed to work. If it's formed solely by Eldar souls as Slaanesh was then its can never hope to match hir power. Slaanesh consumed like 99% of the entire race at its height. The current eldar population's birth rate is barely enough to replace those that die in combat. Never mind all the other races that feed Slaanesh. Regardless, how does creating Ynnead salvage the situation anyway. They will all still be dead...right? Even if Ynnead is able to destroy or somehow merge with Slaanesh to form a more balanced entity; there are still 3 other Gods to deal with.

Sersi wrote: Regardless, how does creating Ynnead salvage the situation anyway. They will all still be dead...right? Even if Ynnead is able to destroy or somehow merge with Slaanesh to form a more balanced entity; there are still 3 other Gods to deal with.

I think the plan is that the eldar race will also be "reborn anew" after ynnead beats slaanesh. Not sure exactly where I read that but im fairly sure thats the case.

If the Ranna Dandra is like the Ragnarok of Norse mythology then a select few gods should survive/return from death to father the Eldar race anew. Most likely Ynnead would serve as an Asurman/Odin mix as the distant father of the gods, the others would most likely be more peaceful, probably Isha and Cerrunuos, since they seem more personal in their relationship with the Eldar.

Sersi wrote:I've never understood how this Ynnead plan is supposed to work. If it's formed solely by Eldar souls as Slaanesh was then its can never hope to match hir power. Slaanesh consumed like 99% of the entire race at its height. The current eldar population's birth rate is barely enough to replace those that die in combat. Never mind all the other races that feed Slaanesh. Regardless, how does creating Ynnead salvage the situation anyway. They will all still be dead...right? Even if Ynnead is able to destroy or somehow merge with Slaanesh to form a more balanced entity; there are still 3 other Gods to deal with.

A possible explanation for a Ynnead victory is that he doesn't have to use any energy while Slaanesh is using a lot of it in the great game. Ranna Dandra is also supposed to be a battle royale, I believe, between the gods so he might not have to worry about the other three.

IMO eldar have more psyhicly active minds which register their souls in the warp more, so it could be that an eldar soul would be a much bigger meal than a human soul. That's just my opinion however.

Well I'm just thinking here if Ynnead is being built to kill Slaanesh could he be immune to slaanesh's powers? I mean were talking about a universe wehere any god damn thing is possible.

But he's not. Ynead is meant to be a god of death, and unless the Eldar suddenly have a population explosion and all of those souls instantly go into Ynead and Ynead instantly becomes self-aware, Slaanesh could just eat him the moment he's formed.

Really I think that Slannesh hasn't maintained all that soul energy that the Eldar gave hir during the fall. Most likely he/she used most of it to beat Khaine and secure a semi-stable position among the other chaos gods. Currently Slannesh has to rely on the Dark Eldar and humans, along with the occasional Eldar. Also one of the things about the difference between Slannesh and Ynnead is that Slannesh is actively using energy in corrupting, tempting and doing whatever other perverse thing he/she wants to, meanwhile Ynnead is bidding his time, gathering his power, ready to release it all in a climactic battle in the Ranna Dandra, in other words not unlike when Slannesh bid hir time before the fall and then arose and almost wiped out the Eldar pantheon.

I'm with Oriallis and does it say that Ynnead is only getting the IC if he is a God of death wouldn't he be fed by death? last time I checked there was plenty of that.