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by the way i have no idea if this is in the right topic

is it possible/allowed for a Blood angels death company marine to be equip with 2X flame pistols/2X melta pistols/ 2X bolt pistols.

thank you reading

Yes. It is also possible to have each one carrying 2 thunder hammers. This is what makes them the most expensive unit in non-apoc.

I don't have my codex handy, but I do know that it would be pointless to do that as they could only fire one of the weapons each turn.

woodbok wrote:Yes. It is also possible to have each one carrying 2 thunder hammers. This is what makes them the most expensive unit in non-apoc.

thanks. and also, two thunder Hammers is so Badass. thanks for the help

Darkvoidof40k wrote:I don't have my codex handy, but I do know that it would be pointless to do that as they could only fire one of the weapons each turn.

100% true.

Also, OP, why are they badass? 2 thunder hammers is the same as 1 thunder hammer, except cheaper.

Darkvoidof40k wrote:I don't have my codex handy, but I do know that it would be pointless to do that as they could only fire one of the weapons each turn.

they have two attacks though. i'am Not very good at the rules but it would make sense that it would count as two attacks by firing both weapons. anyway, thanks for the reply

I do have the Codex in front of me, and the answer is no. The pistol upgrade line reads: "For every X models in the squad, one Death Company may replace his bolt pistol with one of the following". Since a Death Company's stock wargear only includes a maximum of one bolt pistol, only one upgrade pistol can be taken. Note that it's a different stipulation to the melee weapon upgrade line, which allows the replacement of both the pistol and the chainsword.

If you really wanted to dual-wield pistols, you could counts-as Sisters of Battle?

woodbok wrote:

Darkvoidof40k wrote:I don't have my codex handy, but I do know that it would be pointless to do that as they could only fire one of the weapons each turn.

100% true.

Also, OP, why are they badass? 2 thunder hammers is the same as 1 thunder hammer, except cheaper.

just the thought of two over sized hammers of death Doom and all hell's destructions sounded pretty badass


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Mythal wrote:I do have the Codex in front of me, and the answer is no. "For every X models in the squad, one Death Company may replace his bolt pistol with one of the following". Since a Death Company's stock wargear only includes a maximum of one bolt pistol, only one upgrade pistol can be taken.

If you really wanted to dual-wield pistols, you could counts-as Sisters of Battle?

ahhhhh crap. i've already built the guy. to be honest, i don't normally play official rules, i play house (friendly) rules, so we (the players) just go along with it. anyway thanks for the reply

1) No, you cannot give Death Company models that many weapons. They can only ever have 2 weapons. One weapon has to be either Chainsword, Power Weapon, Power Fist, or Thunder Hammer, while the other one can be either Bolt Pistol, Bolter, Power Weapon, Power Fist, Thunder Hammer, Hand Flamer, Infernus Pistol, or Plasma Pistol. Note: Only 1 in 5 can take the Hand Flamer, Infernus Pistol, or Plasma Pistol.

2) The attacks in your profile is only relevant to CC attacks. It has nothing to do with shooting attacks.

3) Models are restricted to firing a single gun each turn (other than vehicles, MCs, or Tau with that one upgrade). If you have multiple guns, you have to pick which one to shoot.

4) Having two Thunder Hammers is allowed (see 1) and does give you a bonus CC attack for having two CC weapons. So, there is an actual reason to do this. Note: It's a waste of points, IMO, but it is allowed.

So lets see its about 80 pts for a dude with 3 thunderhammer hits, he has FNP but also has rage... I'll say noooooooooo!

Phototoxin wrote:So lets see its about 80 pts for a dude with 3 thunderhammer hits, he has FNP but also has rage... I'll say noooooooooo!

Don't know waht your saying no to. its being competely rubbish yes

if your saying Nooo as in shock horror how amazing it is then your wrong.

I hope your mean that is rubbish because you can get 2 terminators with that, better armour, invl and attacks.

woodbok wrote:Yes. It is also possible to have each one carrying 2 thunder hammers. This is what makes them the most expensive unit in non-apoc.

i dunno about the MOST expensive...

VoxDei wrote:i dunno about the MOST expensive...

Well, potentially up to 2850 points for a single Troops choice...

I had a fun game with 30 Death Company all dual wielding Thunder Hammers led by a Lemartes. About 20 died before they got into combat, but those ten guys killed like half his army.

Nicholas wrote:I had a fun game with 30 Death Company all dual wielding Thunder Hammers led by a Lemartes.

Damn - forgot Lemartes - make that an even 3,000.

Lemartes with 30 DC dual wielding thunder hammers all with jump packs.

A buddy ran this in apoc once, every turn a titan/superheavy went down.

@.@

Thunder hammers and storm shields. You can rage all you want, in the end you will still be standing killing stuff dead.

juraigamer wrote:Thunder hammers and storm shields. You can rage all you want, in the end you will still be standing killing stuff dead.

no, they won't. In the end such a death company model would be left in the display case as a "cool, but illegal model". Death Company cannot have Storm Shields.

OP: As pointed out earlier they cannot get 2 pistols of any sort anyway, but I would like to address a different Lack of Rule knowledge: BRB Page 15, first column, second paragraph, first sentence: "Normally each model in a firing unit can fire a single weapon." You may only ever fire 1 gun, the Attacks stat is for Close combat only, and the individual ranged weapons will tell you how many shots each gets in it's profile.

You can, however, exchange both Bolt pistol and chainsword for any combination of 2: Power weapons, Thunder hammers, or power Fists; of Course the only set that has any benefits are 2x Power fists, or 2x thunder hammers. 2x Power swords is a waste of points since keeping the pistol still grants the bonus CC Attack, and any combination of weapons from the list results in no bonus attack. Gaining a 2CCW bonus Attack for 2x T-Hammers or P-fists is not commensurate to the points cost required to do so(50/60 points for 3 S8, or 4 S9-on-the-charge attacks on an already 20 point model is a bit extreme, worse with a Jump Pack; no thank you 85/95 point/model units.)

Weell,some people arm their Assault marines with 2 bolt pistols.It looks cooler to them,and the have 2 normal weapons,AKA chainsword and pistol,and can only shoot one.

I think this would be ok for a chainsword/pistol DC,as long as they didn't try to abuse it.

If you want to model DCs with twin pistols, it's fine - in game terms there is zero difference between an infantry model with two pistols and one with pistol+CCW.

(gets an extra attack, only gets to shoot once)

Exactly,so if you want DC with chainswords and Infernus pistols,but love the dual-wieldibng nature of double pitokls,then that is perfectly fine.

Kommissar Kel wrote:

juraigamer wrote:Thunder hammers and storm shields. You can rage all you want, in the end you will still be standing killing stuff dead.

no, they won't. In the end such a death company model would be left in the display case as a "cool, but illegal model". Death Company cannot have Storm Shields.

Oh, thought they could take everything under the sun.

juraigamer wrote:

Kommissar Kel wrote:

juraigamer wrote:Thunder hammers and storm shields. You can rage all you want, in the end you will still be standing killing stuff dead.

no, they won't. In the end such a death company model would be left in the display case as a "cool, but illegal model". Death Company cannot have Storm Shields.

Oh, thought they could take everything under the sun.

It's ok I enjoyed the chance to be Snarky.

Also what you were thinking of was Wolf guard; blood Angels can have there uber-expensive mad-men, we get fairly level-headed,slightly less expensive Pillars of Valour(who really can get everything under the sun)

Deadshot: Aside from some WYSIWYG sticklers, putting 2 infernus pistols/Hand flamers on a single model is just fine so long as you remember not to attempt to pay for the 2; if someone asks, just tell them the 1 is a CCW and that this "just looks cooler"

Just remember the Captain actually can take 2 of the pistols(still cannot use them both in the same turn) so never give your captain model such kit.

deadshot wrote:so if you want DC with chainswords and Infernus pistols,but love the dual-wieldibng nature of double pitokls,then that is perfectly fine.

Kommissar Kel wrote:Aside from some WYSIWYG sticklers, putting 2 infernus pistols/Hand flamers on a single model is just fine so long as you remember not to attempt to pay for the 2; if someone asks, just tell them the 1 is a CCW and that this "just looks cooler"

I agree with deadshot and Kel. The chainsword doesn't technically need to be modeled since it is standard equipment on Death Company. Looking at your army, I can assume that all of your death company have chainswords unless I see something on the model that could replace it. The Infernus pistol should be modeled for WYSIWYG purposes because it is a change/upgrade to the usual kit. How you choose to model it is up to you, as long as it doesn't cause unnecessary confusion (i.e. don't use a plasma pistol or a bolt pistol to represent an infernus pistol). Having two Infernus pistols on a Death Company model to represent a single Infernus pistol shouldn't cause confusion 'cause we know from the unit's entry that any given DC model can never have more than one.

Hope this helps!
-GiantKiller