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So I decided to make my 2k ork list a green tide, so for footsloggin up the board what would be better, shootas or choppas?

I would go for choppas. Nothing is scarier knowing that you can't take down all of those boyz with choppas and that the ones that are left will really hurt.

If I see shootas, then I at least think that half their shots will miss anyway.

Lord Rogukiel wrote:I would go for choppas. Nothing is scarier knowing that you can't take down all of those boyz with choppas and that the ones that are left will really hurt.

If I see shootas, then I at least think that half their shots will miss anyway.

I have to disagree with this. To quote something I read earlier, "ballistic skill doesn't mean much with the air is made of lead balls". A full squad of 30 shoota boys is downright devastating. In a recent game, I saw shoota boys drop a gk terminator squad from 10 down to 2 in one round of shooting.

I mix it up a bit. Two mobs of Choppa Boyz and One mob of Shoota Boyz is pretty much standard. Reason is there are some units out there you don't want to Assault with out softening them up first. Also shoota boyz are good for hold mid-field and still being able to lay down some firepower.

If you're going mass Boyz, Shootas. They're about as good in assault as Sluggas and can inflict damage at range. This gives you versatility because some armies you don't want to assault until they're weak, Shootas give you the option. Also 95% of the time a unit that Sluggas will beat in CC is also a unit that Shootas will beat in CC.

I too say shoota boyz. Of course Im a bit biased, as I LOVE me some shootas. But at the same time, I know what Jidmah would say, taking either wont break your army. So Id say try out both a couple times in practice and see which one appeals to you more.

On foot generally shootas are better.

As mentioned, they give the option of shooting. If your not running you can take a few pot shots at range.
When you assault, you can also shoot on the way in. Stastically, that puts em pretty close to sluggas.
In assault, the PK is the real tool that wins the fight.

Did someone mention shootas?

If not, I will say it.

Shootas.

After being here for over a year, I just noticed how we get threads like this every other week

Shootas are preferable imo but it all comes down to personal preference. Some people really like the looks of a bunch of sluggas and choppas on their models

I run a Kan Wall at 2k points and run Shootas. It's really going to come down to your playstyle. It's the same attacks just in different phases.

Shootas - 2 Shots each then assault with 3 CC attacks each. (total 5 attacks on the charge)
Sluggas - 1 Shot (slugga) and then assault with 4 CC attacks each. (total 5 attacks on the charge)

It's just a matter of how you run your army. A lot of people will say forgo the shooting and keep running, in which case, no need for Shootas. They will also sometimes be the same people who say shooting with Orks is pointless.

Then there's the other Ork players who know that Orks can shoot just fine (me being one of them). In a footsloggin army, a squad of 30 boys with 2 shots each is a lot of Dakka. Throw some Big Shootas in with is and you can get quite a few wounds on someone before going into CC. Then once in CC, you still have 3 attacks on the charge. So IMO, for a footsloggin army, Shootas are the way to go.

If you run them in BW's or Trukks, Choppas are the way to go because you can get right up on them, disembark and assault in the same turn. Being in a vehicle, the whole squad is going to be alive when you get there, making the 4 CC attacks a gem. If they are footsloggin, chances are your going to lose some boyz before you get into assault, removing quite a bit of the effectiveness.

But again, it's going to be how you want to play them.

We iz Orkses, we stomp da 'oomies good no matta if we's gots dakka or da trusty choppas.

Thanks for the advice, I put a thread up in army lists that had my list, it just 6 mobs of 30 shoota boyz, 3 squads of 3 kans, and 2 big meks with kff, and after reading this, I now come to the scary truth that I need to buy about 15 more boxs of boyz which will be like 500$ :( and thats AFTER taking of all the arms on my current boyz and putting shootas on.

bombboy1252 wrote:Thanks for the advice, I put a thread up in army lists that had my list, it just 6 mobs of 30 shoota boyz, 3 squads of 3 kans, and 2 big meks with kff, and after reading this, I now come to the scary truth that I need to buy about 15 more boxs of boyz which will be like 500$ :( and thats AFTER taking of all the arms on my current boyz and putting shootas on.

I know the feeling

Although, if you are playing a lot of friendly games and aren't into the tournament scene all that much, proxying slugga boys will probably work for you. AoBR boyz are fairly cheap on ebay. Plus if you are willing to do conversions, it's fairly easy to get the AoBR boyz and then just buy shoota/arms bits and convert them.

I don't like proxying troop slots, I only proxy HQs and I don't play friendly games with friends much because I don't have friends that play 40k only one, and I have to walk him through his turn:( and black reach boyz are a good idea, just need to buy some shoota bitz

kenshin620 wrote:After being here for over a year, I just noticed how we get threads like this every other week

It also changes from agreeing on sluggas or shootas every time.

bombboy1252:
The difference is existant, but not big. IMO not worth spending that kind of money over. Before spending money on shootas you could also try to simply convert sluggas into shootaz. A single chopped up big shoota can turn three sluggas into shootas. Small plastic pipes or other bits can also turn sluggas into shootas. Another awesome conversion I have seen is a unit of boyz, all armed with two sluggas, counting as shootaz. Just make it look cool, and no one will have a problem.

Jidmah wrote:

kenshin620 wrote:After being here for over a year, I just noticed how we get threads like this every other week

It also changes from agreeing on sluggas or shootas every time.

bombboy1252:
Just make it look cool, and no one will have a problem.

And with Orks, it all looks cool.

Not gonna lie, I would say sluggas.

I understand that I don't have the experience of everyone else on the board (I'm new to orks), but I just look at it like this:

30 boys
60 shots, 90 swings
or
30 shots, 120 swings

even though those numbers match up, the wounds inflicted by each are drastically skewed in favor of the slugga boys.

granted you can fire more from the shotta boys, and that can make up for the abysmal BS, but 120 S4 swings is far more devestating to the opponent, not to mention you are going to lose a handful of the boys on the way to the opponent (that's just nature of the beast) which, in my eyes, makes it far more valuable to have the extra swings.

Disagree if you will, but this is just my opinion.

Main problem with the number of swings though is that it'll go to a pitiful S3 if theres no charge. Also sometimes its very hard to get all 30 boyz in range for fighting and not to mention that anything faster can cut some boyz down reducing their attacks.

On the flipside, shootas might have to deal with cover saves on models that have +5 or worse armor

Jidmah wrote:

kenshin620 wrote:After being here for over a year, I just noticed how we get threads like this every other week

It also changes from agreeing on sluggas or shootas every time.

bombboy1252:
The difference is existant, but not big. IMO not worth spending that kind of money over. Before spending money on shootas you could also try to simply convert sluggas into shootaz. A single chopped up big shoota can turn three sluggas into shootas. Small plastic pipes or other bits can also turn sluggas into shootas. Another awesome conversion I have seen is a unit of boyz, all armed with two sluggas, counting as shootaz. Just make it look cool, and no one will have a problem.

I need to buy more boyz anyway, I only have like 40 or give or take a few but I'll definitely do the big shoota conversion!

Jidmah wrote:

kenshin620 wrote:After being here for over a year, I just noticed how we get threads like this every other week

It also changes from agreeing on sluggas or shootas every time.

bombboy1252:
The difference is existant, but not big. IMO not worth spending that kind of money over. Before spending money on shootas you could also try to simply convert sluggas into shootaz. A single chopped up big shoota can turn three sluggas into shootas. Small plastic pipes or other bits can also turn sluggas into shootas. Another awesome conversion I have seen is a unit of boyz, all armed with two sluggas, counting as shootaz. Just make it look cool, and no one will have a problem.

And to add to this, rather then buying all that over again, just buy some shootas, or something that looks like its a shoota from a bits store, and glue the shootas on your sluggas backs. That way, WYSIWYG for either shootas, or sluggas. Presto. Change-o

If you are buying boyz boxes you should be making them shootas, if you want sluggas buy cheaper AOBR boyz on eBay, unless you like the look and like paying 3 times as much per boy. A lot of people are overlooking the extra range of the shoota, on foot shoota all the way for me.

I dont really have an opinion, think both are useful, but just remember why devourers on gaunts aren't more popular, it comes down to math, say you get a full mob of boyz in range of a tactical squad, this happens 60 shots, 20 hit, 10 wound, 3.333 die. Personally i wouldn't want to fiddle around shooting too much, after all, you is an ork! but both builds do have their uses.

okay, I think I'm going shoota, that seems to be the majority, but for a second question, what should I put on my kans that will be in front of my boyz? I never had experience using a kan wall.

bombboy1252 wrote:okay, I think I'm going shoota, that seems to be the majority, but for a second question, what should I put on my kans that will be in front of my boyz? I never had experience using a kan wall.

It will somewhat depend on what you are playing. Rokkits are a fairly common choice. I will sometimes go KMB for Terminators or Grotzookas for anti infantry. Really up to you. Magnetizing or Pinning will help you save money on the weapons for those models as well.

I prefer shootas for a horde; 60 shots is a lot of dakka from 30 dudes! Choppas for guys roaming aroiund in trukks/wagons

canadianone wrote:I dont really have an opinion, think both are useful, but just remember why devourers on gaunts aren't more popular, it comes down to math, say you get a full mob of boyz in range of a tactical squad, this happens 60 shots, 20 hit, 10 wound, 3.333 die. Personally i wouldn't want to fiddle around shooting too much, after all, you is an ork! but both builds do have their uses.

The only reason devourer gaunts arnt AS popular is because the regular boring one gets pooped out from a tervigon. I can tell you from MANY games against my wife, who is obsessed with everything devourer, they are deadly. She sticks 20 devourer gaunts into spods and lets it rip. 60str4 shots isnt anything to scoff at. Ive lost who boyz mobs to her volleys. Granted its been because the fail the LD and run away, but still thats just as effective as smoking the entire unit. Its not uncommon for her to kill 10-15 boyz in one shooting phase per unit.

Dodgywop wrote:

bombboy1252 wrote:okay, I think I'm going shoota, that seems to be the majority, but for a second question, what should I put on my kans that will be in front of my boyz? I never had experience using a kan wall.

It will somewhat depend on what you are playing. Rokkits are a fairly common choice. I will sometimes go KMB for Terminators or Grotzookas for anti infantry. Really up to you. Magnetizing or Pinning will help you save money on the weapons for those models as well.

This. KMB only if your local meta is swamped with TEQs.

Note that Grotzookas aren't for infantry shooting only, they still do a fairly good job against harder targets like rhinos or MCs, as they are S6.

What are TEQ armies?

bombboy1252 wrote:What are TEQ armies?

I think its Terminators Equivalent (+2 saves)

Personally I'm more afraid of seeing Choppas then Shootas... then again I do get thrashed around very badly by my Ork-player friend who runs Green Tide with Ghazzy...

kenshin620 wrote:

bombboy1252 wrote:What are TEQ armies?

I think its Terminators Equivalent (+2 saves)

You're probably right, I was thinking tau and equivalent.....