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I came up with an idea for a meltagun count as but I want to know if its legal; I noticed that I had a lot of bits from heavy weapons for the missile teams and I thought I should model a single troop to be holding that missile launcher and I can say that its a special missile launcher with a special short range melta/ very good armor piercing rocket/round and it does the same damage as a melta gun

would that be feasible and allowed in tourneys? I can say that its a unique stc or something along the lines of that

If it looks like a missile launcher, people will expect it to act like a missile launcher.

That is the long and short of it.

Borderline to probably not. If all you melta guns would look like that, you might get away with it but random guys holding a rocket launcher isn't really much different from a proxy.

As long as you have no missile launchers in the army, and everything that is a meltagun looks the same I'd have no problem.
If you have any missile launchers or regular meltaguns in the list, then no.
With counts as, consistency is the key.

Steelmage99 wrote:If it looks like a missile launcher, people will expect it to act like a missile launcher.

That is the long and short of it.

This.

As long as it resembles something else that already exists, it will cause confusion.

Maybe if you model a massive melta barrel into the main ML barrel,then yes,and yit couild be a MM.I don't care how you model it or count it against other blokes,but something that size is not in any way going to be a meltagun.

Deadshot wrote:Maybe if you model a massive melta barrel into the main ML barrel,then yes,and yit couild be a MM.I don't care how you model it or count it against other blokes,but something that size is not in any way going to be a meltagun.

Seriously Find the space bar on the keyboard, it is the longest key there It really is not that difficult to find...

As for the OP, that is really up to the TO, if he lets them in as meltaguns then he lets them in, if he does not, then he does not.

For casual play I doubt you will have much issue with it.

DeathReaper wrote:

Deadshot wrote:Maybe if you model a massive melta barrel into the main ML barrel,then yes,and yit couild be a MM.I don't care how you model it or count it against other blokes,but something that size is not in any way going to be a meltagun.

Seriously Find the space bar on the keyboard, it is the longest key there It really is not that difficult to find...

Not to derail this thread too much, but many have told Deadshot about his horrid grammar and he never listens.

The main identifier for melta weapons is the barrel. Get something that looks like that attached to anything and call it a melta.

-cgmckenzie

GangstaMuffin24 wrote:

DeathReaper wrote:

Deadshot wrote:Maybe if you model a massive melta barrel into the main ML barrel,then yes,and yit couild be a MM.I don't care how you model it or count it against other blokes,but something that size is not in any way going to be a meltagun.

Seriously Find the space bar on the keyboard, it is the longest key there It really is not that difficult to find...

Not to derail this thread too much, but many have told Deadshot about his horrid grammar and he never listens.

Just hit the little yellow triangle and mention that the post is in violation of rule 1 in the Dakka's Code of Conduct.
http://www.dakkadakka.com/core/forum_rules.jsp



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I hope all of you guys realize that its going to be on a regular 28mm base rather then the large heavy weapons team base; you guys should remember that heavy weapon teams are now one large base rather then the old 2 base system

PresidentOfAsia wrote:I hope all of you guys realize that its going to be on a regular 28mm base rather then the large heavy weapons team base; you guys should remember that heavy weapon teams are now one large base rather then the old 2 base system

How would we know that?

you mentioned nothing about it in your OP, so we only have answered your OP by the information given.

Either way, as long as you modify the Missile launcher to look not like a missile launcher, then I do not suspect many TO's would have a problem with it.

but that will ultimately be up to the TO to determine.

If you put it on a regular base and use some sort of warhead to give it an RPG look I don't see a problem. But make sure your opponent understands the difference. I was thinking of doing something similar but using the Steel Legion missiles as GLs.

Maybe see if anyone you know has some of the FW Griffon mortar bombs. They have nice big warheads and fins.

PresidentOfAsia wrote:I hope all of you guys realize that its going to be on a regular 28mm base rather then the large heavy weapons team base; you guys should remember that heavy weapon teams are now one large base rather then the old 2 base system

That is not information available in the original post.

Neither is the fact that you are apparently using the conversion in an Imperial Guard army.

Steelmage99 wrote:

PresidentOfAsia wrote:I hope all of you guys realize that its going to be on a regular 28mm base rather then the large heavy weapons team base; you guys should remember that heavy weapon teams are now one large base rather then the old 2 base system

That is not information available in the original post.

Neither is the fact that you are apparently using the conversion in an Imperial Guard army.

I thought people would figure its for Imperial Guard and that its going to be on the 28mm base because missile teams are generally associated with IG and no one would use the large heavy weapon bases just for a single melta now would they?

So we have to guess what you're going to do based on "missile teams" being present?

PresidentOfAsia wrote:I came up with an idea for a meltagun count as but I want to know if its legal; I noticed that I had a lot of bits from heavy weapons for the missile teams and I thought I should model a single troop to be holding that missile launcher and I can say that its a special missile launcher with a special short range melta/ very good armor piercing rocket/round and it does the same damage as a melta gun

would that be feasible and allowed in tourneys? I can say that its a unique stc or something along the lines of that

Have you made this thread before, long ago? Perhaps on some other site? This thread seems extremely familiar.

In any case, don't do it. People will be confused. Fluff wise it makes no sense. It is unfair to your opponent to make them remember your missile launchers aren't missile launchers. And what happens if you actually want missile launchers? Then you are in a fix.

GW sells melta gun bits packs for fairly cheap, $8 for 5 I believe. Get those.

ph34r wrote:

PresidentOfAsia wrote:I came up with an idea for a meltagun count as but I want to know if its legal; I noticed that I had a lot of bits from heavy weapons for the missile teams and I thought I should model a single troop to be holding that missile launcher and I can say that its a special missile launcher with a special short range melta/ very good armor piercing rocket/round and it does the same damage as a melta gun

would that be feasible and allowed in tourneys? I can say that its a unique stc or something along the lines of that

Have you made this thread before, long ago? Perhaps on some other site? This thread seems extremely familiar.

In any case, don't do it. People will be confused. Fluff wise it makes no sense. It is unfair to your opponent to make them remember your missile launchers aren't missile launchers. And what happens if you actually want missile launchers? Then you are in a fix.

GW sells melta gun bits packs for fairly cheap, $8 for 5 I believe. Get those.

I actually don't use missile teams and don't plan to as I'm doing an Air Cav army, also I don't think its that hard for them to remember I mean, just note that the "guys with the tubes have melta guns" and its easy as that, also for the fact that they are on 28mm bases rather then the large heavy weapons team bases

Fluff wise, well I can say that the missiles fire special rounds that have short range but to compensate the missle launchers are short and light as are the missiles themselves

I did consider the melta melta guns but after having some bad experiences with the metal stormtroopers I opted to avoid metal when possible

I did make a thread on this forum like a week or two ago about the cad guns and asked which one may the good as a melta count as

PresidentOfAsia wrote:I actually don't use missile teams and don't plan to as I'm doing an Air Cav army, also I don't think its that hard for them to remember I mean, just note that the "guys with the tubes have melta guns" and its easy as that, also for the fact that they are on 28mm bases rather then the large heavy weapons team bases

Fluff wise, well I can say that the missiles fire special rounds that have short range but to compensate the missle launchers are short and light as are the missiles themselves

I did consider the melta melta guns but after having some bad experiences with the metal stormtroopers I opted to avoid metal when possible

I did make a thread on this forum like a week or two ago about the cad guns and asked which one may the good as a melta count as

You don't think so? They might disagree. I for one would not enjoy having to remember that your missile launchers are melta guns. It also takes away from the whole visual experience of playing a game of 40k. There's also the part where a missile launcher and a melta gun are about as far removed from each other as you can get... it makes no sense to have a missile launcher have the effect of a melta gun.

Bad experiences with metal stormtroopers? Like what? I assure you it is very hard to mess up giving an IG trooper a melta gun, even if it is metal.

PresidentOfAsia wrote:

ph34r wrote:

PresidentOfAsia wrote:I came up with an idea for a meltagun count as but I want to know if its legal; I noticed that I had a lot of bits from heavy weapons for the missile teams and I thought I should model a single troop to be holding that missile launcher and I can say that its a special missile launcher with a special short range melta/ very good armor piercing rocket/round and it does the same damage as a melta gun

would that be feasible and allowed in tourneys? I can say that its a unique stc or something along the lines of that

Have you made this thread before, long ago? Perhaps on some other site? This thread seems extremely familiar.

In any case, don't do it. People will be confused. Fluff wise it makes no sense. It is unfair to your opponent to make them remember your missile launchers aren't missile launchers. And what happens if you actually want missile launchers? Then you are in a fix.

GW sells melta gun bits packs for fairly cheap, $8 for 5 I believe. Get those.

I actually don't use missile teams and don't plan to as I'm doing an Air Cav army, also I don't think its that hard for them to remember I mean, just note that the "guys with the tubes have melta guns" and its easy as that, also for the fact that they are on 28mm bases rather then the large heavy weapons team bases

Fluff wise, well I can say that the missiles fire special rounds that have short range but to compensate the missle launchers are short and light as are the missiles themselves

I did consider the melta melta guns but after having some bad experiences with the metal stormtroopers I opted to avoid metal when possible

I did make a thread on this forum like a week or two ago about the cad guns and asked which one may the good as a melta count as

Either buy proper meltas, convert something distinctive (i.e. not just gluing on missile launchers) or don't use them. If you come in to a game with the attitude that I should remember whatever random weapon proxy you've chosen to be 'meltas' is that and act like it's my problem if I don't, it's going to sour the game pretty quickly.

maybe cut sections of a solid or hollow plastic bore, lets say of a Biro ballpoint pen. Cut them so they form a meltagun-sized appropriate barrel, and then use a very small drill to cut out uniform 'grill' holes in the tubular section. Then slide this over the tip of a lasgun, and maybe use greenstuff or any other easily obtainable modelling putty from any art store nearby and put just a VERY SMALL amount in order to seal any gaps which form around the lasgun near where the guardsman's hand is.

now you should have a 'sieve' looking tube 'bolted on' over the guardsman's lasgun's front half, and should be sealed so it doesnt look stupid. Then paint it up! Use metal colours, like boltgun metal base, with drybrushed tin bitz for the barrel section, or some black in there to represent the scorched metal effect.

Then, so it doesn't just look like the guy has a weirdly large gun, put a vox-caster pack on his back, cut off the antenae (as it's being used as a power pack, not comms equipment) and find some copper wire or low gauge tie wire and drill a hole into the handle/grip of the lasgun/meltagun thing, and drill a hole in the right side of the vox pack, and run a suitable amount of wire/cable to connect each hole, and glue with superglue.

you now have a crazy and unique and melta-like guardsman! As cgmckenzie said, it's the tip/barrel which makes the meltaguns the most identifiable.

Corrode wrote:

PresidentOfAsia wrote:

ph34r wrote:

PresidentOfAsia wrote:I came up with an idea for a meltagun count as but I want to know if its legal; I noticed that I had a lot of bits from heavy weapons for the missile teams and I thought I should model a single troop to be holding that missile launcher and I can say that its a special missile launcher with a special short range melta/ very good armor piercing rocket/round and it does the same damage as a melta gun

would that be feasible and allowed in tourneys? I can say that its a unique stc or something along the lines of that

Have you made this thread before, long ago? Perhaps on some other site? This thread seems extremely familiar.

In any case, don't do it. People will be confused. Fluff wise it makes no sense. It is unfair to your opponent to make them remember your missile launchers aren't missile launchers. And what happens if you actually want missile launchers? Then you are in a fix.

GW sells melta gun bits packs for fairly cheap, $8 for 5 I believe. Get those.

I actually don't use missile teams and don't plan to as I'm doing an Air Cav army, also I don't think its that hard for them to remember I mean, just note that the "guys with the tubes have melta guns" and its easy as that, also for the fact that they are on 28mm bases rather then the large heavy weapons team bases

Fluff wise, well I can say that the missiles fire special rounds that have short range but to compensate the missle launchers are short and light as are the missiles themselves

I did consider the melta melta guns but after having some bad experiences with the metal stormtroopers I opted to avoid metal when possible

I did make a thread on this forum like a week or two ago about the cad guns and asked which one may the good as a melta count as

Either buy proper meltas, convert something distinctive (i.e. not just gluing on missile launchers) or don't use them. If you come in to a game with the attitude that I should remember whatever random weapon proxy you've chosen to be 'meltas' is that and act like it's my problem if I don't, it's going to sour the game pretty quickly.

The ONLY thing that is being proxied are the melta guns and there are no missile teams in my army either, the guys are on the regular 25mm bases not the large heavy weapons team base

you can't mix anything the base sizes are different from actual missile teams and the missile launchers are going to be modeled without the front sight part with parts of it cut off;

check this out! If you have some time. http://images.dakkadakka.com/gallery/2010/11/5/152867_md-Meltagun%2C%20DIY%20melta.jpg

From BigBadWolf37's blog here on dakka


As for people getting mixed up with 'missile launchers' etc, I think some of these other posters are certainly going overboard.. It's pretty damn hard to get the two mixed, up , especially with different base sizes. What you might want to do is make the launcher held at waist height, instead of shoulder mounted. Could you possible convert it to be a waist-fired short-range ulta AT - fusion tipped blast rocket thing of doom? Shorten the barrel too, so its not such a long missile launcher

kyranzor wrote:check this out! If you have some time. http://images.dakkadakka.com/gallery/2010/11/5/152867_md-Meltagun%2C%20DIY%20melta.jpg

From BigBadWolf37's blog here on dakka


As for people getting mixed up with 'missile launchers' etc, I think some of these other posters are certainly going overboard.. It's pretty damn hard to get the two mixed, up , especially with different base sizes. What you might want to do is make the launcher held at waist height, instead of shoulder mounted. Could you possible convert it to be a waist-fired short-range ulta AT - fusion tipped blast rocket thing of doom? Shorten the barrel too, so its not such a long missile launcher

Awesome conversion you have there

But yeah I'll try the conversion you suggested and see how it works

I also have another conversion where I get the melta barrels from my leman russ multi melta sponsons, I cut them off and cut off the tip of the flamers an glue/greenstuff the tips on it and it has worked out well so far

Also Ebay sells space Marine plastic meltas for about $4 bucks each

You do realise lots of people still have the 2 base weapons teams, yes?

Can you not see how your missiles could possibly be confused with the other commonly used bases?

nosferatu1001 wrote:You do realise lots of people still have the 2 base weapons teams, yes?

Can you not see how your missiles could possibly be confused with the other commonly used bases?

Really? At my Local GW, a veteran player told me that the two base team is now archaic

so are heavy teams still playable as seperate models on 25mm bases?

Yes, if people let you. Same as any models you use - if people dont want to play they dont have to. Also theyre not exactly frowned on in tournaments, at least not the ones ive been to over the last year or so.

It's also the only way to get certain regiments - not everyone wants cadians or catachans.

nosferatu1001 wrote:Yes, if people let you. Same as any models you use - if people dont want to play they dont have to. Also theyre not exactly frowned on in tournaments, at least not the ones ive been to over the last year or so.

It's also the only way to get certain regiments - not everyone wants cadians or catachans.

For the metal only regiments I thought people glued them to the slotted bases for metal models then glue those base on to the large size bases and use scenary to cover up the bases

PresidentOfAsia wrote:The ONLY thing that is being proxied are the melta guns and there are no missile teams in my army either, the guys are on the regular 25mm bases not the large heavy weapons team base

you can't mix anything the base sizes are different from actual missile teams and the missile launchers are going to be modeled without the front sight part with parts of it cut off;

I really don't care. If it looks like a missile launcher I'm assuming it's a missile launcher. Just get meltas from bitz sites or convert something properly, it's not hard.

Corrode wrote:

PresidentOfAsia wrote:The ONLY thing that is being proxied are the melta guns and there are no missile teams in my army either, the guys are on the regular 25mm bases not the large heavy weapons team base

you can't mix anything the base sizes are different from actual missile teams and the missile launchers are going to be modeled without the front sight part with parts of it cut off;

I really don't care. If it looks like a missile launcher I'm assuming it's a missile launcher. Just get meltas from bitz sites or convert something properly, it's not hard.

I stopped caring as well, if my opponent is not going to consider it a melta and doesn't want to play, then he can just pick up his models and not play...