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A little background first: I'm making an army of crusading templar knight-themed army, which would be represented by Codex Marines. Needless to say, I'm using the BT and DA upgrade sprues for my infantry, and everthing is turning out well so far. Now, during my birthday my friends gave me a BT Sword Brethren Finecast box, which is good of them! Now, I face two problems, namely:

1) I'm planning on buying one box of GK Terminators and Normal Assault Terminators to mix them up. Hopefully i'll be making 5 with TH/SS and 5 with LC. My main concerns are
:
a) Are the two kits compatible? If not, how much converting and filing would it require to mix them up? I'm no stranger to converting but I just want to know so that I can gauge the amount of time I'll spend on them so I can plan ahead with other stuff.

b) The hammers and LC doesn't seem very... knightly. Are there weapons inside the GK box that are more medieval-y that can represent thunder hammers or LCs? Like falchions for LCs, or a halberd to represent a hammer? Or would that make them not WYSIWYG? If so, what would you recommend that I do to convert these weapons into more knight-friendly weapons that can count as hammers and LCs?

2) The Sword Brethren. Finecast has failed on three out of five of the models (one has air bubbles on the face, one has a face that looks like he had a stroke and the third has almost-impossible to clean LCs), so no problem used some bits I have to cover up the bubbles, or chop off the irredeemable head altogether. Added a scratch-built shield on one with an arm riddled with bubbles.

My problem is: what would they represent in a Vulkan army? I would really like to use them and not just let them gather dust on my table, and so far I'm drawing a blank here.

Dual swords could work as Lightning Claws and perhaps you could exchange halberd blades for some kind of maul or flail if you think that would make them more knightly.
Just don't forget to add a shield as well.

How about the compatibility between the kits? And about the Sword brethren models, I was thinking that one could represent a librarian. I don't know about the rest, though. Bolt pistol and Chainsword sarges?

AFAIK, the two kits are inter-changeable.
You could use them as sergeants, which would help them to stand out, but IMHO they look badass as a unit.
You could also try something like this:
http://z15.invisionfree.com/The_Great_Crusade/index.php?showtopic=215
to add some more knight-ness.

Aquaterry

Yeah, they look bad ass. So... honor guard? Command Squad? Both of them are too costly pointwise, and not really cost-effective.

Funny, I see this kind of thinking quite a lot. I think you'll find that flails, mauls, warhammers, etc are quite common knights' weapons. Not pikes and halberds so much, but the various blunt weapons, definitely.

Strangely enough, I'm doing the exact same thing?!

If you want to check out some of the ideas people had for me follow this link http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/394797.page

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The assault and tactical Terminators are 100% compatible; they're the same Terminator frame if I recall with different weapon sprues. Doing falchions for lightning claws could be cool; you could just order the ones from the Grey Knight Terminator box via a bits site or eBay.

As for the sword brethren, call GW and tell them you got a miscast set and you should get a free replacement. You could use them for honor guard, vanguard veterans, or really tricked out sergeants in a standard Marine list.

Brother SRM wrote:The assault and tactical Terminators are 100% compatible; they're the same Terminator frame if I recall with different weapon sprues. Doing falchions for lightning claws could be cool; you could just order the ones from the Grey Knight Terminator box via a bits site or eBay.

As for the sword brethren, call GW and tell them you got a miscast set and you should get a free replacement. You could use them for honor guard, vanguard veterans, or really tricked out sergeants in a standard Marine list.

Well I live in the Philippines, so that call would cost me almost as much as the model themselves, plus it would take at least a month to ship. Plus they have sentimental value since they're gifts. I'm pretty okay with converting them and working around what I have: my marines are battleworn anyway so any stray bubble would e turned into battle damage. The ones with offending heads had head transfers and I'm quite liking them.

And I was actually asking if Assault AND GK terminators are compatible. Just to clarify.

scipio.au wrote:Funny, I see this kind of thinking quite a lot. I think you'll find that flails, mauls, warhammers, etc are quite common knights' weapons. Not pikes and halberds so much, but the various blunt weapons, definitely.

I was planning on putting blunt weapons like morning stars and flails and maybe use the daemon hammer arm for one hammer. I mean, I think some knights use Warhammers, but not all of them do (and I believe it's kinda rare). I'd like it to be varied, really. I'm just wondering if I put one or two swords/halberds on the bunch, would people mind?

TheTemplar wrote:Strangely enough, I'm doing the exact same thing?!

If you want to check out some of the ideas people had for me follow this link http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/394797.page

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Yay! Well they're colored in the traditional templar colors (red crosses on white fields, with a bit of black and iron) like this:



So not BT colors. I would like to see your progress! I'm doing a P&M blog soon, so we can be templar buddies or something. As of now I have a rhino, two heavily converted dreads, a libby, a chaplain, Vulkan, three sarges and 10 tac marines done that I want to redo.

They won't ask you to send them back, so you get to keep your models with sentimental value. On top of that, you'd get extra dudes. It's also a toll free number. You could alternately email them, but calling gets it quicker.

Regular Terminators and GK Terminators should be perfectly compatible; I can't see any reason why they wouldn't be.

Stars, I believe you can email GW about miscasts as well.

As for the weapons, a lot of knights used warhammers and mauls. They weren't as prolific as sword-and-shield or two-handed-sword armaments, but they were more common than you think. So using the TH's from the GK terminators with SS's would totally work. And the Falchions as LC's, I'd say go for it if you play in more of a 'counts-as' environment. If its more WYSIWYG, then we'll keep trying to help you find something that works!

Oh, that sounds great. I'll try calling them, but I think it would take at least a month to get those minis.

Hm, I was thinking more of.... flails. Maybe one or two hammers, then flail and a morning star? Or maybe a mace. You guys have ideas or theories on how to convert those out of Assault termy TH or any other stuff?

Another thing: would a force sword + one off-hand falchion fly as counts-as LC, or would dual falchions be better?

I though of trying that out, but never got to it

starsdawn wrote:

I was planning on putting blunt weapons like morning stars and flails and maybe use the daemon hammer arm for one hammer. I mean, I think some knights use Warhammers, but not all of them do (and I believe it's kinda rare). I'd like it to be varied, really. I'm just wondering if I put one or two swords/halberds on the bunch, would people mind?

TheTemplar wrote:Strangely enough, I'm doing the exact same thing?!

If you want to check out some of the ideas people had for me follow this link http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/394797.page

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So not BT colors. I would like to see your progress! I'm doing a P&M blog soon, so we can be templar buddies or something. As of now I have a rhino, two heavily converted dreads, a libby, a chaplain, Vulkan, three sarges and 10 tac marines done that I want to redo.

Sounds like an awesome plan! I've been slogging through this army for a while - I flitted between smurfs, smurfs using BT rules, and salamanders before finally settling on regular BT. (So this is actually my first army that I plan to keep, but I also have Tau and Lizardmen.) Unfortunately I'm a very slow do-er of things, so my army is not very large. In fact what I'm doing right now is my biggest project so far! (when you include converting etc). My army sits at: 1 LRC, 1 rhino, 1 ven dreddie, Emperors Champion, my HQ (based on the lysander model) 3 termies with LC (I proxy another 2 in) and a battleforce. To reach 2000 points I need a chaplain, vindicator and about another 5 more marines (I still have 117 points left and I don't know what to spend it on!)

Sorry about filling your topic with my army stuff

But I love the idea to use morningstars and warhammers, I don't think anyone should mind!. I think that one regular force sword and one falchion would look better than two falchions. If you want to use shields, use the BT terminator storm shields, they pwn.

Hope that helps!

Brother SRM wrote:they're the same Terminator frame if I recall with different weapon sprues.

No, they're not. The regular terminators have the wide-leg stance while the assault terminators have the walking legs. You are correct in that they are compatible and their parts are interchangeable.

You mentioned buying DA stuff, so it's worth remembering that the robed DA marines come with some nifty power mauls that could work for adding some variety.

^^^And I'm pretty sure that there are power mace bits from the chaos TDA kits if you need them in termie size.

I love that idea, will come out very useful for my Crusaders. Just need to replace alot of their helmets because they don't look at anything at all like crusaders just space marines with crusader symbols >.> sigh. Anyway I will take this as some advice for the chapter.

Hm, love that mace although it might be too small for a termy. Might be okay with a PA guy, though.

So update to the Sword Brethren: one guy will be a libby, the other my second version of Vulkan, the lightning claw guy is now Shrike, and the other two will be BP and Chainsword sarges. All will be painted so that they'd still look like one squad. Will be posting photos soon.