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chaos space marine defilers

so i am wondering does anyone have a good stratedgy to use with a defiler?

just curiose cause my friend has one and every time we play it only takes one or two lascannon shots to take it down...so any suggestions to help me help him not get the snot beat out of him when he fields his defiler?



oh and if you have a picture of a defiler please post thinking about getting one and would personally like some inspiration.



but the main idea is defilers how to use/are they worth it?

No.

Las cannon magnet + AV12 = waste of money

Crazy huge model

Av 12

Takes heavy support better used for obliterators

Can't transport it without a semi truck

I tried to make it work. If they were AV13 and maybe 20-30 pts more that'd be fine. As it is, they're not sufficiently survivable and the damage output is crappy compared to 2 Obliterators for the same cost. Even in H2H 2 Oblits is better: less attacks but higher WS.

I usually run 2 they always seem to do pretty well for me. Besides I like the model so much better then Oblit. Ugly lumps of metal in my opinion. Anyways for me I just always keep my defiliers moving and blasting as much as posible. The rest I suppose is just luck.

I don't like them compared to Oblits or Land Raiders, but they're pretty useful with Battlecannon/4x CCW.
Shoot the battlecannon at things, and then charge in if you need to or if it gets blown off.

Biggest waste of dinero I've seen players do unless you are deliberately using them to draw fire so something like a Daemon Prince can get up close. I'd take a pair of Obliterators over a defiler any day of the week

This thread makes me sad :( If I went chaos I would want lots of Deffies...

Awesome models. They should be worth fielding.

My friend fields 2 of them and I have to say that they're pretty good (before anyone jumps on me; yes, he's used 'blits, no, they didn't work as well!). Sure, lascannons could be dangerous, but most people spam autocannons or missiles these days, which aren't quite as good at popping Defilers. Add in daemonic possession and hiding behind stuff to shoot while getting cover and you've got a pretty damn annoying fire support unit that can't really be shut down by assaulting it.

Ya I like to run at least two although sometimes for fun I will run 3 and that can be very amusing especially in small point games. But 2 at least always seems to get the job done for me.

love the feed back awesome and thank you everyone i was always cuirose of what people thought about them

AlmightyWalrus wrote:My friend fields 2 of them and I have to say that they're pretty good (before anyone jumps on me; yes, he's used 'blits, no, they didn't work as well!). Sure, lascannons could be dangerous, but most people spam autocannons or missiles these days, which aren't quite as good at popping Defilers. Add in daemonic possession and hiding behind stuff to shoot while getting cover and you've got a pretty damn annoying fire support unit that can't really be shut down by assaulting it.

Lascannons are an extreme example. Ironic you mention autocannons and missiles since that's what you should be using against AV12. Yeah, that giant building sized model has the same armor as a dreadnought. Also, if you give it all DCCWs for unimpressive I3 attacks, one weapon destroyed result will wreck your ranged ability. One immobilized result will make DCCWs useless.
If you MUST use dreadn.. defiler, reaper cannon + TL flamer is the way to go.

If you find that you are constructing a list and find that you want a Defiler in your force, I would have to argue that it is not a good idea to field one. This can easily change if you have a specific purpose for one in your army list. Here is what I mean, using a 1,500 as an example.

Daemon Prince: Wings, Slaaneshi Mark, Lash
Daemon Prince: Wings, Slaaneshi Mark, Lash
Noise Marines x5: Rhino, Havoc, Blast Master
Noise Marines x5: Rhino, Havoc, Blast Master
Dreadnought: Double DCCW, Extra Armor
Dreadnought: Double DCCW, Extra Armor
Dreadnought: Double DCCW, Extra Armor
Defiler: Double DCCW
Defiler: Double DCCW
Defiler: Double DCCW

This list comes out to 1,485 points, which leaves 15 points to be allocated. I quickly whipped this up as an example, so that 15 points isn't really a concern right now.

Between the Princes, Defilers with Daemonic Possession, and the Dreadnoughts with Extra Armor, your army can always move forward unless immobilized. When the Dreadnoughts craze the Bolters will harmlessly bounce off of each other or if they Blood Rage they will get nine attacks on the charge and have fleet! The Defilers have fleet as well, in case firing a Battlecannon is undesirable. Princes with Wings and Lash is a classic, as most people know.

I'm using this list soon myself. While a tournament list may easily dismantle it, most people at your FLGS won't see this aspect of Chaos coming. Hit 'em fast and hit 'em hard. There are so many big things that your foe may have trouble prioritizing or just lack that much anti-tank shots.

Anyway, think about your Defiler usage. I'd say if you have a set role for them, "All systems are go!" However if you just have some points left over it may be better to consider other things.