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I was wondering if the Omnissiah was real or the machine spirt. I always assumed that it was all just supersition.

But I figured the emperor is still kicking and other strange things happen in 40k so I dunno.

Omnissiah may be C'Tan Void Dragon imprisoned by Eldar on Mars before the rise of the Emperor and then worshipped by Mechanicums.

So they may be pawns of the necrons?

The Omnissiah is the Emperor, but the Machine Spirit is the C'tan Void Dragon. It's in Mechanicum.

Farseer Petriel wrote:Omnissiah may be C'Tan Void Dragon imprisoned by Eldar on Mars before the rise of the Emperor and then worshipped by Mechanicums.

Big E put the Void Dragon on Mars, not the Eldar.

The Omnissiah is, as people have stated, the C'tan called the Void Dragon. He was imprisoned after being blasted with the Blackstone Fortresses then beaten by the Emperor and placed in the depths of Mars. His lair is thought to be the Noctis Labyrinth deep in Mars and that he can possibly control the Machine Spirits of various vehicles

There is most certainly an Omnissiah and a Machine-Spirit. What they are is up for contention, but the Omnissiah is the Void Dragon, most likely. They all but say it in Mechanicum, where they find the "Dragon of Mars."

For examples (proof):

Omnissiah: In Mechanicum, Dalia says something to the effective of "Be healed, Machine!" and a knight titan repairs itself

Machine-Spirit: Land Raider special rule.

Actually i think it was Big E doing the heal-a-knight thing.

That piece of fluff kind of rubs me wrong, for some reason, though i enjoyed most of Mechanicum.

Unit1126PLL wrote:There is most certainly an Omnissiah and a Machine-Spirit. What they are is up for contention, but the Omnissiah is the Void Dragon, most likely. They all but say it in Mechanicum, where they find the "Dragon of Mars."

For examples (proof):

Omnissiah: In Mechanicum, Dalia says something to the effective of "Be healed, Machine!" and a knight titan repairs itself

Machine-Spirit: Land Raider special rule.

There are three; Machine God, Machine Spirit and Omnissiah.

The Machine God is the god machine, the most perfect entity in all existence some view the Void Dragon as the Machine God. The Machine Spirit is the soul of each and every machine in existence even those belonging to Chaos or Xenos. It is seen like a small part of the Machine God is in each machine, but those of Chaos and Xenos are corrupted and heretical vessels for these spirits.

The Omnissiah is the physical incarnation or Avatar of the Machine God, but not the Machine God itself. Some of the Cult Mechanicus think it is the Emperor but not all of them have accepted it and wait for the perfect machine to reveal itself as the Omnissiah. The reason not all accepted it was that the Emperor was organic and whilst he showed some powers that the Omnissiah may have he was not a machine and thus imperfect.

Ascalam wrote:Actually i think it was Big E doing the heal-a-knight thing.

That piece of fluff kind of rubs me wrong, for some reason, though i enjoyed most of Mechanicum.

He definitely does it at the beginning, but I distinctly remember Dalia doing it after she becomes Guardian of the Dragon.

I figured that there is not "really" an Omnissiah. There is defiantly a C`Tan inside the Noctis Labyrinth on Mars. Hell there is probably a whole unwoken necron tomb down there. This is referenced in the Necron Codex when Abbadon asks a demon what all the excitement in the warp is about regarding Mars.

Given how the Mechanicus are extremely strict about the Noctis Labyrinth and prevent anyone from going there, I get the feeling they are actually being controlled by the C`Tan inside albeit I think they are being controlled without really knowing who or what is controlling them. As such, the machine god religion is very real and solid on Mars where the C`Tan sleeps, however because it is just a C`Tan on mars the machine god there is no actual deity present beyond Mars.

The problem with this is that while some supernatural influence can probably be seen on Mars, it creates a sense of superstition that completely stunts any real understanding of machines. This might be part of the C`Tans plan though to technologically stunt the Imperium of man so that when they awaken they would be even less of a hindrance to the C`Tans feast.

Unit1126PLL wrote:

Ascalam wrote:Actually i think it was Big E doing the heal-a-knight thing.

That piece of fluff kind of rubs me wrong, for some reason, though i enjoyed most of Mechanicum.

He definitely does it at the beginning, but I distinctly remember Dalia doing it after she becomes Guardian of the Dragon.

Right at the end of the book? I think you could be right on that.

My memory isn't all it was, and i'm caffiene deprived

The Emperor, may he reign forever, did indeed heal a scout titan by word alone. Dalia does as well although I cannot remember what machine she uses it on. That being said, there are about a dozen different ways to look at this. The Mechanicum believes that the Omnissiah IS the Machine God. They are one and the same from every piece of literature I have ever read. They are simply different names for the same entity.

However, like nOt_u mentioned, there is a faction within the Mechanicus that does not agree that the Emperor is actually the Machine God. If you haven't, read "Titanicus" by DA I believe, goes into that argument moreso than any other book I have read thus far.

What we all seem to agree on is that the C'Tan Void Dragon is indeed what the Mechanicus came to worship while on Mars, in all probability without understanding exactly WHAT the Void Dragon actually is.

Which brings up an interesting question, as the Necrons are machines and the Mechanicus seek to become one with the machine, wouldn't the Mechanicus ultimately rather side with/join/be consumed or what have you, by the Necrons? They are the embodiment of what it means to be cold and calculating so why not?

Theres a ton of hints in the Necron codex (at least until the fluff rewrite :( ) that the Mechanicus likely would side with/are/were already serving the Necrons/CTan.

I expect all this tense, creepy and mysterious awesomness to vanish though, and Necrons to become a dull 'evil empire of machines' take on Tomb Kings instead. I'm finding it hard to maintain any hope for their mechanicus/necron fluff being kept intact.

I actually love the fluff in the Necron codex.

What's really titillating for both the fluff and my Magos in Dark Heresy Ascension is the existence of the Logicians cult:

No daemonic or xenos influence, only founded on a book called In Defense of the Future, A Logical Discourse, not only trying to find old human technology but also to redevelop it and develop new things... Very tempting, despite the declaration of heresy...

An old, possibly decaying cult, serving an undiscovered god and perhaps working at odds with itself...

"Glory to the Omnissiah, brothers. Not only because he is the god of Machines, but also because he is the god of discovery, the god of knowledge, the god of progress and improvement..."

needless to say, my Magos is rather radical...

The Emperor is the Omnissiah. The Machine God and the Omnissiah are two different beings in Mechanicus religious beliefs.

Melissia wrote:The Emperor is the Omnissiah. The Machine God and the Omnissiah are two different beings in Mechanicus religious beliefs.

The Machine God is just that: The God of Machines. The Omnissiah is his physical incarnation.

I'm not done with Mechanicum, but several people in the novel dispute the Emperor actually being the Omnissiah. Still don't know the Emperor's opinion on the matter.