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Basically my mates looking to use imperial guard and Gray knights together, am saying its probably not allowed but cant find the actual page in the rule book or codex saying you cant, any one got a page number or passage I can show him?

This is the WFB YMDC, dave.

This is the Fantasy section, but unless the Codex tells you that you can, you can't.

In previous books you could take allies, but now you can't.

But is there anything saying you cant on any page? or just nothing saying you can?

''40k You Make Da Call'' ..... how is it the wrong place?

As far as I can tell you're in the right place :(

That's not really answering the question is anything written that says one army, one codex?

Weird, almost like someone moved it!

Just browsing, I haven't found ANYTHING that says you must select forces from only one Codex. SOB, not even 'Ard Boyz tournament rules specify only one Codex. It has to be somewhere. I'll keep looking.

RatWolf wrote:''40k You Make Da Call'' ..... how is it the wrong place?

Presumably, it was moved...


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lord dave wrote:But is there anything saying you cant on any page? or just nothing saying you can?

There's nothing saying that you can. Which means you can't.

Tell him to look at "Using the army List" section, right above the force org chart. and the preceding words.

For example, for Blood angels it states "The following army list enables you to field a blood angels army and fight battles..."

and it goes on to say how the army list is used in conjunction with the force org chart.

If he wants to use multiple different army lists he would need permission to do so. since the rules are a permissive ruleset.

If he can show you the rule that says he can use different lists to make an army then those are the rules, But he will not be able too, since no such rule exists.

Unless, of course, you're playing Apocalypse...

thanks reaper i think that will do it. success!

The codex tells you what you can do, not what you cannot. So, although there is no rule saying that you cannot use two codexes (Codi?) for an army because there is no rule saying that you can you cannot.

The previous version of the Grey Knights codex did allow for Imperial Guard allies. This rule is not present in the current codex. Since it isn't expressly allowed, it is forbidden.

A crazy extreme example, there's nothing in the rules that expressly says I CANNOT arm every single Guardsman in a platoon with a Plasma Gun. But it's fairly obvious that is not permitted.

insaniak wrote:Unless, of course, you're playing Apocalypse...

Correct, if you are playing Apocalypse, you are allowed to take almost anything you want, so you can have blood angels Dreadnought riding in a Grey Knight Stormraven, with Lysander and SM assault terminators in the front.

It's permissive.

Nothing says I cannot smash my opponents minatures with a hammer when I instantly kill them with lascannons but I think you'd agree that that is not allowed.

Phototoxin has the right idea, just because it doesn't say you can't doesn't mean you can....
There is nothing in the rule book saying you can't change the stats of everything in your codex....

If we can establish that a player controls one army, we can use context to prove that one codex must be used, because it is for one type of army and using two or more codexes(ends with "eze" I think) would imply fielding two or more armies.

you can see my problem, I know its not allowed in standard mission but trying to prove it to some one who doesn't know the game as well with out having it categorically in front of them in text is tricky.

There's three things thing to always remember with 40K:

1) The BRB and codices (for those wondering, that is the correct English pluralization of codex) are permissive. They never tell you what you can't do, they tell you what you can

2) Any changes to the rules are perfectly acceptable assuming both players agree to them

3) All of 40K and any game you play is "opponent's permission" because, really, at any point they can pack up and stop playing. It doesn't matter who or what says it's legal... if they don't want to play against it, they won't.

Ultimately, what this means is: if you want to let him use two codices, you can. You won't find a rule saying he cannot use multiple codices. That doesn't matter as you don't have to play him. Hell, you could refuse to play him UNLESS he uses two codices if you wanted to.

EDIT: Forgot the most important thing to remember when playing 40K: Have FUN, it's a game after all

Shrike325 wrote:There's three things thing to always remember with 40K:

codices (for those wondering, that is the correct English pluralization of codex)

Duh, I knew this.....it was catalogued somewhere in the recesses of my brain, lol!

Shoot, the MRB even states that at first you can just use the models you have. On picking forces, it states that the BEST way to do this is to use the relevant army lists in a Codex. Again, it comes down to permission and what you are both content to play with. If he wants to do that, you can keep it straight, or do the same. Combine Vanilla SM and BA lists. Throw Khorne Berserkers in a Battlewagon with KFF Big Meks. Whatever. If it's a series of friendly games, take advantage of it.

actually, until the rest of the new SOB drops then you can still run them as an army and use any imperium allies or use them as allies in any imperium army. Wont last long though

Shrike325 wrote:1) The BRB and codices (for those wondering, that is the correct English pluralization of codex ...

...which is completely irrelevant where 40K is concerned, since it's not supposed to be a correct English word.

In 40K-land, the plural is 'codexes'.


And for what it's worth, 'codices' is not the english plural. English just slaps an 'es' on the end of words ending in 'x'... 'Codices' is one of the versions of the Latin plural.

Straight from the 3 year latin study.....
Codex Codicis- Masc.
Codicis being the plural nomnative (the form in question)
Codicis (or as it would be pronounced in current english codecies as the c in latin is alwas a hard k sound) is the correct form.
Neither here nor there.
Until SOB drops its second half they are the only allies able to be used and the only ones who can take allies

The second part of the WD SoB codex has been out for a number of weeks now.

Really? My FLGS didnt say anything. I am mistaken then. No allies unless your opponent approves.

or apoc as pointed out before


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or apoc as pointed out before

What about two detachments? Opponents permission - that would be the only way I could see you using 2 CODICIES. lol.

co·dex definition
Pronunciation: /ˈkō-ˌdeks/
Function: n
pl co·di·ces ; Pronunciation: /ˈkōd-ə-ˌsēz, ˈkäd-/
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Merriam-Webster's Medical Dictionary, © 2007 Merriam-Webster, Inc.

as to the actual matter at hand. There is no rule which says you can....and the convention of the game has been to use 1 army list to fill 1 force org
if they want to do it and you agree sure, but as far as im concerned they cannot just show up and expect you to accept their list. Personally if this is being done I would only play in a multiple detachment scenario...as it is far to abuse able any other way (essentially opening the door to cherry picking units to build your army)