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so, me and my future oppenent are haveing an arguement ( he is starting vamp counts) the problem is the rulbook says no spell spamming BUT the vamp codex says that all vampires know this one necro-spell. so which rule carries?

Vamps can spam the spell that all vamps know.

Vampires can spam necromancy spells:
Invocation (the healing spell), raise zombies and vanhels.

The army book specifies that they can in spite of the normal rules (which didn't change from 7th to 8th edition).

-Matt

KOVAV wrote:so, me and my future oppenent are haveing an arguement ( he is starting vamp counts) the problem is the rulbook says no spell spamming BUT the vamp codex says that all vampires know this one necro-spell. so which rule carries?

What do you mean by spamming KOVAV, multiple casters knowing the same spell or, a caster being able to cast the same spell more than once in the same magic phase?

Verd_Warr wrote:

KOVAV wrote:so, me and my future oppenent are haveing an arguement ( he is starting vamp counts) the problem is the rulbook says no spell spamming BUT the vamp codex says that all vampires know this one necro-spell. so which rule carries?

What do you mean by spamming KOVAV, multiple casters knowing the same spell or, a caster being able to cast the same spell more than once in the same magic phase?

The rules in the vampire book allow a single vampire to repeatedly cast Invocation, Raise Dead, or Vanhels.
It's spelled very clearly in the army book, and has not changed by 8th edition rules or the vampire FAQ.

Now if he fails to meet the casting value, or rolls a 2 or less total on power dice, he fails to cast and has broken his concentration, and cannot cast anything for the rest of that phase.
In theory, a vampire could roll 1 die at a time, and cast 12 invocations (as long as he rolled a 3 or high on each die).

-Matt

The rulebook says you cannot know the same spell, UNLESS mages know spells through loremaster or other means where they dont roll for it.

So you can have multiples of the base spell, as all vampires know it. You can have multiples of the spells Necros buy, as they dont roll for it.

In addition, as Matt said - they have a specific rule allowing them to cast certains spells more than once. This overrides the BRB, as usual.

Multiple mages can also know the signature spell for a given lore. That's actually explicitly stated in the BRB.

Army book rules always take precedence to the Warhammer rulebook.

angelshade00 wrote:Army book rules always take precedence to the Warhammer rulebook.

No, the more specific rule always beats the more general rule. This is usually but not always the armybook

nosferatu1001 wrote:

angelshade00 wrote:Army book rules always take precedence to the Warhammer rulebook.

No, the more specific rule always beats the more general rule. This is usually but not always the armybook

Case in point - the army composition rules specifically state they beat any army bok that may contradict them. This is a one-off exception to the rule that army book rules trump rulebook rules, and is explicitly stated as being the one and only exception.

There are other instances of highly-specific rulebook rules trumping more 'generic' armybook rules, but I can't think of any off the top of my head.

@Aelyn - You are right indeed. But this exception is only meant for army composition, as you said so yourself. Still, this is mostly so older rulebooks do not contradict the new 8th edition rules. Old books still count unit strength for example.
@Nosferatu - Semantics, my friend, semantics. It is usually the case, that is how I meant it myself. But indeed, any specific rules beat the rulebook (above noted exception excluded, of course)