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I was looking at build an all terminator army.Dark angels seem to be what everyone defaults to but looking at other armies like space wolves and knights (not sure if im missing any others) they seem to be on par if not better than Dark angels.Why are Dark Angels the only terminator army showing up consistently in the competitive meta?

GK are the terminator army, almost all of the units in the codex are terminators.

An all terminator army? is that even legal? not to mention costly points wise(if even legal)

Kazerkinelite wrote:An all terminator army? is that even legal? not to mention costly points wise(if even legal)

Dark Angels, Grey Knights, and Space Wolves can all field legal, all-Terminator armies.

yes its legal, and the models only cost about 40 pts each so you can easily field 40+ of them in most games.

bombboy1252 wrote:GK are the terminator army, almost all of the units in the codex are terminators.

No... 2 of the units are. Terminators and Paladins.

GK has my vote, as Draigo is a beast.

Terminators are so overrated...

terminators are overrated but 40 terminators are something to worry about

nectarprime wrote:

bombboy1252 wrote:GK are the terminator army, almost all of the units in the codex are terminators.

No... 2 of the units are. Terminators and Paladins.

GK has my vote, as Draigo is a beast.

wow, I just re-read the codex, and realized that the other GK units have a 3+ save not 2+, my bad

Two words - storm shields.

I've done the Logan Wolf Guard army list before. It just really depends, and I think they are a waste of points when you can field 6 grey hunters with a razor back and a melta gun.

DarknessEternal wrote:

Kazerkinelite wrote:An all terminator army? is that even legal? not to mention costly points wise(if even legal)

Dark Angels, Grey Knights, and Space Wolves can all field legal, all-Terminator armies.

wow, I didn't even know this! most likely because Ive never encountered a Dark angels, Gray Knights or Space Wolves player before or ever read their respective codex's. Anyways good to know, thanks.

Dark Angels aren't necessarily the BEST TDA army. I think the Wolfwing holds that particular title. But it is the one with the longest history and the most longevity. A Dark Angels codex IS due in the none too distant future, and an all TDA army will ALWAYS be a part of that book. Although there is no reason they would, an update to the SW book could impose some sort of restriction to preclude the continued wolfwing. That's my take on it. In the competitive meta, it's a matter of old and wiley DA players using a substandard book to devastating effect.

AustonT wrote:Dark Angels aren't necessarily the BEST TDA army. I think the Wolfwing holds that particular title. But it is the one with the longest history and the most longevity. A Dark Angels codex IS due in the none too distant future, and an all TDA army will ALWAYS be a part of that book. Although there is no reason they would, an update to the SW book could impose some sort of restriction to preclude the continued wolfwing. That's my take on it. In the competitive meta, it's a matter of old and wiley DA players using a substandard book to devastating effect.

Well that is mainly because of Logan's bonuses he gives units he joins. I still don't think it is the best tactic for Space Wolves.

This may be a dumb question but can you combat squad wolf guard terminator squads?

Right now Draigowing is the best all terminator army you can build. It's also pretty cheap.

My friend's 2500 point Draigowing runs $500 US Retail.

Lord Draigo
GK Librarian (uses the BC Stern model)
Vindicare Assassin
15 Paladins
2 Stormravens
3 Dreadnaughts

How does the lack of storm shield effect dragiowing?

azgrim wrote:How does the lack of storm shield effect dragiowing?

Storm shields give a 3+ invulnerable save, and GK don't really get them. Also, please put spaces after punctuation, they don't replace spaces.

Brother SRM wrote:
Storm shields give a 3+ invulnerable save, and GK don't really get them. Also, please put spaces after punctuation, they don't replace spaces.

Good thing you're good with grammar because your reading comprehension is terrible.

azgrim wrote:How does the lack of storm shield effect dragiowing?

It depends on what's firing at/attacking them.

Normally, I divided mine into two squads. 10 man squad /w Draigo and Librarian and a 5 man squad by themselves. The 10 man squad will decimate pretty much anything in game in CC that you could hope to feasibly throw at it in a realistic setting. For example they survived a 30 Black Templar Marines + 5 TH/SS + 5 Assault Terminators + a Terminator Chaplain popping his +1 attack holy orb on the charge. If you don't have anti psyker abilities you're going to be facing 40+ S6 I10 attacks when you charge them. They hurt. A lot.

As far as shooting goes.

Anything weaker than s8 or AP3 is useless against them. Terminator Armor, FNP (if you take an Apocethary), and unique models require you to put an excess of 13 wounds on the Deathstar squad to kill one of them.

Plasma Weapons work against them, but not as well as they do against regular terminators. Paladins can soak up a lot of plasma damage.

S8 AP3 weapons are potentially dangerous because they can insta kill Paladins.

S8+ AP2 (or lower) weapons are your enemy. Large blasts (think the IG Medusa) can decimate your army quickly. However, if your opponent is unable to do a large amount of these wounds per firing unit he's probably just going to throw a bunch of wounds on Draigo and Draigo will laugh them off with his Storm Shield and EW.


Ultimately, it's not like having an entire army of Terminators. It's more like having an entire army of Dreadnoughts. Even your weakest model laughs at any type of anti infantry weapons. It takes anti tank weaponry to put this army down and this army has the weaponry to put vehicles down.

You have 6 Psycannons on Paladins. s7 Assault Cannons with an effective range of 30".
You have 6 twin linked Autocannons with Psybolt ammuntion of Dreadnoughts. s8 Autocannons with an effective range of 54".
You have a Vindicare Assassin who can shoot his magical "lol I auto penetrate everything" bullet every turn.
You have a Librarian who can give your unit +1s and +d6 armor pen in addition to shooting psyker powers that can melt stuff.
You have 2 Stormravens with Assault Cannons that can be given Psybolt Ammunition. (If you choose to do that their HBs will be upgraded to s6)

It's not alpha strike power by any means, but it can certainly cripple a shooty army quickly.

Im building a deathwing army but modeled as death watch. Im so excited to finally field it! I would run death watch because of the options that they can put on their terminators, yes they are expensive but how do you beat a terminator with a th/sh and a typhoon missile launcher?

theman99808 wrote:Im building a deathwing army but modeled as death watch. Im so excited to finally field it! I would run death watch because of the options that they can put on their terminators, yes they are expensive but how do you beat a terminator with a th/sh and a typhoon missile launcher?

Is that a serious question?

TH/SS drop like flies to massed fire.

Amaya wrote:

theman99808 wrote:Im building a deathwing army but modeled as death watch. Im so excited to finally field it! I would run death watch because of the options that they can put on their terminators, yes they are expensive but how do you beat a terminator with a th/sh and a typhoon missile launcher?

Is that a serious question?

Any type of Terminatorsdrop like flies to massed fire.

Fixed.

Coolyo294 wrote:

Amaya wrote:

theman99808 wrote:Im building a deathwing army but modeled as death watch. Im so excited to finally field it! I would run death watch because of the options that they can put on their terminators, yes they are expensive but how do you beat a terminator with a th/sh and a typhoon missile launcher?

Is that a serious question?

Any type of Terminatorsdrop like flies to massed fire.

Fixed.

You obviously don't know anything about Paladins then.

so would 15 paladins be better than 40 terminators? In terms of wounds and damage output i think the paladins might be better to small arms since they have to take 16 wounds to lose any damage output but the terminators are better vs s8 low AP but the first wound you are losing damage output.

I mean, if you want to compare just what you can run with pure Terminators.

You could put 45 Terminators on the table at 2500 points as Deathwing. 9 Cyclone Missile Launchers. 36 TH/SS.
vs
Draigowing. 30 Paladins at 2500 points. 12 Psycannons. 12 Force Halberds. 6 Daemonhammers. All with 2 wounds.

Paladins don't cost much more than other Terminators and the GK codex has much better force multipliers.

Max hammernator deathwing with cheap new cyclones, or go Draigowing.

azgrim wrote:so would 15 paladins be better than 40 terminators? In terms of wounds and damage output i think the paladins might be better to small arms since they have to take 16 wounds to lose any damage output but the terminators are better vs s8 low AP but the first wound you are losing damage output.

Depends on what you are facing. If you're up against a Tyranid army for instance, the Paladins are going to eat through just about everything whereas the Terminators are going to have a tougher time. Against an decent IG army, the Paladins are going to face a significant amount of ranged S8+ AP2 fire and likely have a much more difficult time than the 40 Terminators will.

Just do a dreadnought army for space marine or blood angels they are far more scary x

azgrim wrote:so would 15 paladins be better than 40 terminators? In terms of wounds and damage output i think the paladins might be better to small arms since they have to take 16 wounds to lose any damage output but the terminators are better vs s8 low AP but the first wound you are losing damage output.

15 paladins vs 40 terminators? Where are you getting these numbers?

Try 30 terminators vs 20 paladins.