Switch Theme:

Ghazzy + Snikrot  [RSS] Share on facebook Share on Twitter Submit to Reddit
»
Poll
Can Ghazz benifit from Ambush if attached to Snikrots squad.
Yay 96% [ 88 ]
Nay 4% [ 4 ]
Total Votes : 92
Author Message
Advert


Forum adverts like this one are shown to any user who is not logged in. Join us by filling out a tiny 3 field form and you will get your own, free, dakka user account which gives a good range of benefits to you:
  • No adverts like this in the forums anymore.
  • Times and dates in your local timezone.
  • Full tracking of what you have read so you can skip to your first unread post, easily see what has changed since you last logged in, and easily see what is new at a glance.
  • Email notifications for threads you want to watch closely.
  • Being a part of the oldest wargaming community on the net.
If you are already a member then feel free to login now.




Made in nz
Screamin' Stormboy




New Zealand

As stated above. Can Ghazghkull If attached to Snikrots Squad benifit from his ambush special rule, and basically "deepstrike" with the kommandoes?

I have read the rules and they seem to contradict them selves on this one.

I leave it up to the Dakkanauts.

This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2011/09/27 01:32:31


E're we go! E're we go! E're we go!  
   
Made in us
Fixture of Dakka






They don't conflict at all. And he is not infiltrating or deepstriking. He is 'ambushing' which is a unique rule which the GW FAQ says does extend to the 'entire unit' including attached ICs.


My Models: Ork Army: Waaagh 'Az-ard - Chibi Dungeon RPG Models! - My Workblog!
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
RULE OF COOL: When converting models, there is only one rule: "The better your model looks, the less people will complain about it."
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
MODELING FOR ADVANTAGE TEST: rigeld2: "Easy test - are you willing to play the model as a stock one? No? MFA." 
   
Made in nz
Screamin' Stormboy




New Zealand

I guess i just need to hear a few different peoples point of view as this tactic seams a little to good to be true.

E're we go! E're we go! E're we go!  
   
Made in us
Longtime Dakkanaut





"Ambush" is not a universal rule so Ghaz and the squad are not bound by the usual restrictions associated with them. "Outflank" also is not a universal rule so once again, not bound by the usual restrictions. The FAQ also clarifies that this works.

This message was edited 2 times. Last update was at 2011/09/27 02:08:59


 
   
Made in us
Fixture of Dakka






Q: If an Independent Character on a warbike joins
Snikrot’s unit before the game starts, can they still turn
up using the Ambush special rule? (p62)
A: Yes.


Any other POV are now wrong as of Ork 1.1 FAQ... No more debate if AMBUSH is a USR that can or cannot extend to attached ICs. This idea that painboyz could FNP a boss but Snik could not AMBUSH him required treating two 'his unit' rules with different roles because 'it felt wrong'.

Ambush Ghaz your brains out.

My Models: Ork Army: Waaagh 'Az-ard - Chibi Dungeon RPG Models! - My Workblog!
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
RULE OF COOL: When converting models, there is only one rule: "The better your model looks, the less people will complain about it."
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
MODELING FOR ADVANTAGE TEST: rigeld2: "Easy test - are you willing to play the model as a stock one? No? MFA." 
   
Made in us
Awesome Autarch






Las Vegas, NV

Hell, bring Ghaz AND another Warboss....on a bike!

   
Made in us
Dakka Veteran




Someone didn't know about the FAQ before starting this poll. No way to argue that it is not legal. Right is a whole other story but those are da rulz.
   
Made in nz
Screamin' Stormboy




New Zealand

Is the Rulebook FAQ on the GW site?

E're we go! E're we go! E're we go!  
   
Made in us
Longtime Dakkanaut





http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/content/article.jsp?categoryId=1000018&pIndex=1&aId=3400019&multiPageMode=true&start=2
   
Made in nz
Screamin' Stormboy




New Zealand

Nungunz wrote:http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/content/article.jsp?categoryId=1000018&pIndex=1&aId=3400019&multiPageMode=true&start=2


Cheers for that, ill print it off an keep a copy wif my dex.

E're we go! E're we go! E're we go!  
   
Made in us
[ADMIN]
Decrepit Dakkanaut






Los Angeles, CA


Just remember, per GW's rulebook FAQ Ghaz cannot leave the unit until the turn after they arrive, so you have to spend one turn together.


I play (click on icons to see pics): DQ:70+S++G(FAQ)M++B-I++Pw40k92/f-D+++A+++/areWD104R+T(D)DM+++
yakface's 40K rule #1: Although the rules allow you to use modeling to your advantage, how badly do you need to win your toy soldier games?
yakface's 40K rule #2: Friends don't let friends start a MEQ army.
yakface's 40K rule #3: Codex does not ALWAYS trump the rulebook, so please don't say that!
Waaagh Dakka: click the banner to learn more! 
   
Made in us
Awesome Autarch






Las Vegas, NV

yakface wrote:
Just remember, per GW's rulebook FAQ Ghaz cannot leave the unit until the turn after they arrive, so you have to spend one turn together.



Yes, preferably entering the board holding hands and skipping.

   
Made in us
Nasty Nob on Warbike with Klaw




Stephens City, VA

Or my Favorite being slow and purposeful rolling double 1's as you can only move as fast as the slowest model, but the unit doesnt have move through cover and being destroyed for failing to come onto the board edge

   
Made in se
Ferocious Black Templar Castellan






Sweden

jdjamesdean@mail.com wrote:Or my Favorite being slow and purposeful rolling double 1's as you can only move as fast as the slowest model, but the unit doesnt have move through cover and being destroyed for failing to come onto the board edge


Kommandoes have move through cover though...

For thirteen years I had a dog with fur the darkest black. For thirteen years he was my friend, oh how I want him back. 
   
Made in us
Powerful Phoenix Lord





Buffalo, NY

Yes but unless Ghaz has it, which as I don't own the codex am unsure, the unit loses Move Through Cover

Greebo had spent an irritating two minutes in that box. Technically, a cat locked in a box may be alive or it may be dead. You never know until you look. In fact, the mere act of opening the box will determine the state of the cat, although in this case there were three determinate states the cat could be in: these being Alive, Dead, and Bloody Furious.
Orks always ride in single file to hide their strength and numbers.
Gozer the Gozerian, Gozer the Destructor, Volguus Zildrohar, Gozer the Traveler, and Lord of the Sebouillia 
   
Made in za
Mutilatin' Mad Dok





Happyjew wrote:Yes but unless Ghaz has it, which as I don't own the codex am unsure, the unit loses Move Through Cover


Ghaz is an IC. Thus he has Move Through Cover.
   
Made in us
Powerful Phoenix Lord





Buffalo, NY

Kharrak wrote:
Happyjew wrote:Yes but unless Ghaz has it, which as I don't own the codex am unsure, the unit loses Move Through Cover


Ghaz is an IC. Thus he has Move Through Cover.


Unless he has the USR, when Ghaz joins the Kommandos they would lose Move Through Cover, as it is marked with *.

Greebo had spent an irritating two minutes in that box. Technically, a cat locked in a box may be alive or it may be dead. You never know until you look. In fact, the mere act of opening the box will determine the state of the cat, although in this case there were three determinate states the cat could be in: these being Alive, Dead, and Bloody Furious.
Orks always ride in single file to hide their strength and numbers.
Gozer the Gozerian, Gozer the Destructor, Volguus Zildrohar, Gozer the Traveler, and Lord of the Sebouillia 
   
Made in us
Shas'o Commanding the Hunter Kadre





Richmond, VA

Taking anything with snikrot is completely legal, since it's not outflanking, it's the ambush special rule snikrot has.

Desert Hunters of Vior'la The Purge Iron Hands Adepts of Pestilence Tallaran Desert Raiders Grey Knight Teleport Assault Force
Lt. Coldfire wrote:Seems to me that you should be refereeing and handing out red cards--like a boss.

 Peregrine wrote:
SCREEE I'M A SEAGULL SCREE SCREEEE!!!!!
 
   
Made in za
Mutilatin' Mad Dok





Happyjew wrote:
Kharrak wrote:
Happyjew wrote:Yes but unless Ghaz has it, which as I don't own the codex am unsure, the unit loses Move Through Cover


Ghaz is an IC. Thus he has Move Through Cover.


Unless he has the USR, when Ghaz joins the Kommandos they would lose Move Through Cover, as it is marked with *.


All Independent Characters have the Move Through Cover special rules.

Meaning that if you join Gazzy to a Kommando Squad, they will not lose Move Through Cover.

Of course, because Gazzy is in Mega Armour, you will have to roll three dice to see how far the unit moves each turn.

This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2011/09/27 08:48:05


 
   
Made in ca
Lone Wolf Sentinel Pilot





Edmonton, AB

I had an opponent roll: 1,1,2 for his Slow and Purposeful with this combo. I made a funny aside that if that last two was a one he would have lost the whole unit. He started arguing and I didn't feel like pushing the issue because it was irrelevant, but I can guarantee a judge would have been called over if there were three 1s.

Q: How many of a specific demographic group are required to carry out a simple task?
A: An arbitrary number. One to carry out the task in question, and the remainder to act in a manner stereotypical of the group.

My Blog 
   
Made in us
Fixture of Dakka






Fearspect wrote:I had an opponent roll: 1,1,2 for his Slow and Purposeful with this combo. I made a funny aside that if that last two was a one he would have lost the whole unit. He started arguing and I didn't feel like pushing the issue because it was irrelevant, but I can guarantee a judge would have been called over if there were three 1s.


Trip1s would have meant the entire unit was destroyed. 40mm bases are a bitch.

Also remember, lots of orky people like to convert over the top megabosses on 60mm. So id their counts-as GHAZ is on a 60mm, then the entire unit WOULD have been destroyed because you need at least 3 inches for a 60mm base to fully enter the board.

Live by the sword, die by the sword. If I see an opponent ambushing ghaz, I will be sure to mention 'you do realize on trip 1s (or trip 2s for large bases), your entire unit is destroyed.' before the game starts. Unlikely but does happen.

My Models: Ork Army: Waaagh 'Az-ard - Chibi Dungeon RPG Models! - My Workblog!
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
RULE OF COOL: When converting models, there is only one rule: "The better your model looks, the less people will complain about it."
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
MODELING FOR ADVANTAGE TEST: rigeld2: "Easy test - are you willing to play the model as a stock one? No? MFA." 
   
Made in us
Powerful Phoenix Lord





Buffalo, NY

Kharrak wrote:
Happyjew wrote:
Kharrak wrote:
Happyjew wrote:Yes but unless Ghaz has it, which as I don't own the codex am unsure, the unit loses Move Through Cover


Ghaz is an IC. Thus he has Move Through Cover.


Unless he has the USR, when Ghaz joins the Kommandos they would lose Move Through Cover, as it is marked with *.


All Independent Characters have the Move Through Cover special rules.

Meaning that if you join Gazzy to a Kommando Squad, they will not lose Move Through Cover.

Of course, because Gazzy is in Mega Armour, you will have to roll three dice to see how far the unit moves each turn.


Missed that bit in the IC rules. My bad.

Greebo had spent an irritating two minutes in that box. Technically, a cat locked in a box may be alive or it may be dead. You never know until you look. In fact, the mere act of opening the box will determine the state of the cat, although in this case there were three determinate states the cat could be in: these being Alive, Dead, and Bloody Furious.
Orks always ride in single file to hide their strength and numbers.
Gozer the Gozerian, Gozer the Destructor, Volguus Zildrohar, Gozer the Traveler, and Lord of the Sebouillia 
   
Made in nz
Screamin' Stormboy




New Zealand

Thanks for the clarity Dakkanauts.

I didnt realise about the down side of running Ghaz (the trip 1 scenario).

Cheers.
Monk.

E're we go! E're we go! E're we go!  
   
Made in us
Fixture of Dakka





Chicago

The Monk wrote:Thanks for the clarity Dakkanauts.

I didnt realise about the down side of running Ghaz (the trip 1 scenario).

Cheers.
Monk.

Don't worry too much about it. It basically means you auto-lose 1 out of every 216 games, but that's low enough to not be a big deal. And, if it ever happens in a casual game, just say "Okay, I concede this game, how about another game where we assume everything else has gone the exact same way, but I just rolled 2,1,1?"

6000pts

DS:80S++G++M-B-I+Pw40k98-D++A++/areWD-R+T(D)DM+

What do Humans know of our pain? We have sung songs of lament since before your ancestors crawled on their bellies from the sea.

Join the fight against the zombie horde! 
   
Made in nz
Screamin' Stormboy




New Zealand

I now know that it is perfectaly legal, and am familiar with the down sides of playig Ghaz + Snikrot, but it feels dirty.

Would opponets to people playing this way feel like the Ork player is tabeling some / WAAC or do opponets to this combo enjoy the challenge?

E're we go! E're we go! E're we go!  
   
Made in us
Huge Bone Giant





Oakland, CA -- U.S.A.

The Monk wrote:Would opponets to people playing this way feel like the Ork player is tabeling some / WAAC or do opponets to this combo enjoy the challenge?
Yes.




It is almost always one of those two options.

"It is not the bullet with your name on it that should worry you, it's the one labeled "To whom it may concern. . ."

DQ:70S++G+++MB+I+Pwhfb06+D++A+++/aWD-R++++T(D)DM+ 
   
Made in us
Mekboy on Kustom Deth Kopta






is it legal... yes, completely legal... would i do it in a friendly game... most assuradly not.

you an however run a mad dok/snikrot kombo ... cybork the kommandoes, and snikrot for a 5++ and fnp, the rage he infers on the unit sucks, but as he's behind enemy lines htere's usually plenty of ways to manipulate it to the target you want, btu your opponent short of the first assault can usually adjust and play it out kiting the raging mad-doc, good dectraction though


10000 points 7000
6000
5000
5000
2000
 
   
Made in us
Fixture of Dakka





Chicago

This really doesn't seem OP to me. Compared to a Nob squad with Big Mek (KFF) in a Battlewagon (Deff Rolla), Snikrot+Ghaz doesn't seem bad at all. And, paying 360 points minimum to put Ghaz (on foot) in the backfield seems a bit expensive.

You end up clearing out whatever unit was next to that board edge, but as long as you're not playing a newbie, you shouldn't have an opportunity to multi-charge.

6000pts

DS:80S++G++M-B-I+Pw40k98-D++A++/areWD-R+T(D)DM+

What do Humans know of our pain? We have sung songs of lament since before your ancestors crawled on their bellies from the sea.

Join the fight against the zombie horde! 
   
Made in us
Mekboy on Kustom Deth Kopta






Grakmar wrote:This really doesn't seem OP to me. Compared to a Nob squad with Big Mek (KFF) in a Battlewagon (Deff Rolla), Snikrot+Ghaz doesn't seem bad at all. And, paying 360 points minimum to put Ghaz (on foot) in the backfield seems a bit expensive.

You end up clearing out whatever unit was next to that board edge, but as long as you're not playing a newbie, you shouldn't have an opportunity to multi-charge.


I might be biased .. when I found out I could attach an IC i decided to dive it a shot, attacked ghaz to komandoes and went to my flgs to try out the list. the firs tperson to ask for a game was IG... he played a parking lot, poor guy never stood a chance . but your'e right against some peopel it would do nothing... against DE it'd be a complete waste

10000 points 7000
6000
5000
5000
2000
 
   
Made in us
Fixture of Dakka






Grakmar wrote:
Don't worry too much about it. It basically means you auto-lose 1 out of every 216 games, but that's low enough to not be a big deal. And, if it ever happens in a casual game, just say "Okay, I concede this game, how about another game where we assume everything else has gone the exact same way, but I just rolled 2,1,1?"


Well, a ghaz conversion on a 60mm base auto-dies 1 out of 27 games for rolling nothing but 1s or 2s... That is much more devastating.

Mad Dok in the backfield is pretty hard to kite as being able to chose where you come in practically guarantees your choice of initial target and second target by your placement.

Also remember, you don't HAVE to ambush with your IC, but having the option to can help. being able to choose between your Nobz in a BW or Snik goes a long way in tourneys.

My Models: Ork Army: Waaagh 'Az-ard - Chibi Dungeon RPG Models! - My Workblog!
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
RULE OF COOL: When converting models, there is only one rule: "The better your model looks, the less people will complain about it."
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
MODELING FOR ADVANTAGE TEST: rigeld2: "Easy test - are you willing to play the model as a stock one? No? MFA." 
   
 
Forum Index » 40K You Make Da Call
Go to: