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Can Ghazz benifit from Ambush if attached to Snikrots squad. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/09/27 01:32:03
Subject: Ghazzy + Snikrot
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Screamin' Stormboy
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As stated above. Can Ghazghkull If attached to Snikrots Squad benifit from his ambush special rule, and basically "deepstrike" with the kommandoes?
I have read the rules and they seem to contradict them selves on this one.
I leave it up to the Dakkanauts.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/09/27 01:35:01
Subject: Ghazzy + Snikrot
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They don't conflict at all. And he is not infiltrating or deepstriking. He is 'ambushing' which is a unique rule which the GW FAQ says does extend to the 'entire unit' including attached ICs.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/09/27 01:58:29
Subject: Re:Ghazzy + Snikrot
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Screamin' Stormboy
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I guess i just need to hear a few different peoples point of view as this tactic seams a little to good to be true.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/09/27 02:05:25
Subject: Re:Ghazzy + Snikrot
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"Ambush" is not a universal rule so Ghaz and the squad are not bound by the usual restrictions associated with them. "Outflank" also is not a universal rule so once again, not bound by the usual restrictions. The FAQ also clarifies that this works.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/09/27 02:08:22
Subject: Ghazzy + Snikrot
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Fixture of Dakka
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Q: If an Independent Character on a warbike joins
Snikrot’s unit before the game starts, can they still turn
up using the Ambush special rule? (p62)
A: Yes.
Any other POV are now wrong as of Ork 1.1 FAQ... No more debate if AMBUSH is a USR that can or cannot extend to attached ICs. This idea that painboyz could FNP a boss but Snik could not AMBUSH him required treating two 'his unit' rules with different roles because 'it felt wrong'.
Ambush Ghaz your brains out.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/09/27 02:08:52
Subject: Ghazzy + Snikrot
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Hell, bring Ghaz AND another Warboss....on a bike!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/09/27 02:15:25
Subject: Ghazzy + Snikrot
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Dakka Veteran
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Someone didn't know about the FAQ before starting this poll. No way to argue that it is not legal. Right is a whole other story but those are da rulz.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/09/27 02:18:58
Subject: Re:Ghazzy + Snikrot
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Screamin' Stormboy
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Is the Rulebook FAQ on the GW site?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/09/27 02:25:27
Subject: Re:Ghazzy + Snikrot
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/09/27 02:50:26
Subject: Re:Ghazzy + Snikrot
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Screamin' Stormboy
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Nungunz wrote:http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/content/article.jsp?categoryId=1000018&pIndex=1&aId=3400019&multiPageMode=true&start=2
Cheers for that, ill print it off an keep a copy wif my dex.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/09/27 03:54:39
Subject: Ghazzy + Snikrot
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Just remember, per GW's rulebook FAQ Ghaz cannot leave the unit until the turn after they arrive, so you have to spend one turn together.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/09/27 04:29:13
Subject: Ghazzy + Snikrot
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yakface wrote:
Just remember, per GW's rulebook FAQ Ghaz cannot leave the unit until the turn after they arrive, so you have to spend one turn together.
Yes, preferably entering the board holding hands and skipping.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/09/27 05:18:43
Subject: Ghazzy + Snikrot
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Or my Favorite being slow and purposeful rolling double 1's as you can only move as fast as the slowest model, but the unit doesnt have move through cover and being destroyed for failing to come onto the board edge
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/09/27 07:34:01
Subject: Ghazzy + Snikrot
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jdjamesdean@mail.com wrote:Or my Favorite being slow and purposeful rolling double 1's as you can only move as fast as the slowest model, but the unit doesnt have move through cover and being destroyed for failing to come onto the board edge 
Kommandoes have move through cover though...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/09/27 07:55:30
Subject: Re:Ghazzy + Snikrot
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Powerful Phoenix Lord
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Yes but unless Ghaz has it, which as I don't own the codex am unsure, the unit loses Move Through Cover
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/09/27 08:01:40
Subject: Re:Ghazzy + Snikrot
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Mutilatin' Mad Dok
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Happyjew wrote:Yes but unless Ghaz has it, which as I don't own the codex am unsure, the unit loses Move Through Cover
Ghaz is an IC. Thus he has Move Through Cover.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/09/27 08:28:55
Subject: Re:Ghazzy + Snikrot
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Powerful Phoenix Lord
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Kharrak wrote:Happyjew wrote:Yes but unless Ghaz has it, which as I don't own the codex am unsure, the unit loses Move Through Cover
Ghaz is an IC. Thus he has Move Through Cover.
Unless he has the USR, when Ghaz joins the Kommandos they would lose Move Through Cover, as it is marked with *.
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Greebo had spent an irritating two minutes in that box. Technically, a cat locked in a box may be alive or it may be dead. You never know until you look. In fact, the mere act of opening the box will determine the state of the cat, although in this case there were three determinate states the cat could be in: these being Alive, Dead, and Bloody Furious.
Orks always ride in single file to hide their strength and numbers.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/09/27 08:34:25
Subject: Ghazzy + Snikrot
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Shas'o Commanding the Hunter Kadre
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Taking anything with snikrot is completely legal, since it's not outflanking, it's the ambush special rule snikrot has.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/09/27 08:46:08
Subject: Re:Ghazzy + Snikrot
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Mutilatin' Mad Dok
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Happyjew wrote:Kharrak wrote:Happyjew wrote:Yes but unless Ghaz has it, which as I don't own the codex am unsure, the unit loses Move Through Cover
Ghaz is an IC. Thus he has Move Through Cover.
Unless he has the USR, when Ghaz joins the Kommandos they would lose Move Through Cover, as it is marked with *.
All Independent Characters have the Move Through Cover special rules.
Meaning that if you join Gazzy to a Kommando Squad, they will not lose Move Through Cover.
Of course, because Gazzy is in Mega Armour, you will have to roll three dice to see how far the unit moves each turn.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/09/27 13:44:05
Subject: Ghazzy + Snikrot
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I had an opponent roll: 1,1,2 for his Slow and Purposeful with this combo. I made a funny aside that if that last two was a one he would have lost the whole unit. He started arguing and I didn't feel like pushing the issue because it was irrelevant, but I can guarantee a judge would have been called over if there were three 1s.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/09/27 15:17:37
Subject: Ghazzy + Snikrot
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Fixture of Dakka
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Fearspect wrote:I had an opponent roll: 1,1,2 for his Slow and Purposeful with this combo. I made a funny aside that if that last two was a one he would have lost the whole unit. He started arguing and I didn't feel like pushing the issue because it was irrelevant, but I can guarantee a judge would have been called over if there were three 1s.
Trip1s would have meant the entire unit was destroyed. 40mm bases are a bitch.
Also remember, lots of orky people like to convert over the top megabosses on 60mm. So id their counts-as GHAZ is on a 60mm, then the entire unit WOULD have been destroyed because you need at least 3 inches for a 60mm base to fully enter the board.
Live by the sword, die by the sword. If I see an opponent ambushing ghaz, I will be sure to mention 'you do realize on trip 1s (or trip 2s for large bases), your entire unit is destroyed.' before the game starts. Unlikely but does happen.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/09/27 16:25:26
Subject: Re:Ghazzy + Snikrot
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Powerful Phoenix Lord
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Kharrak wrote:Happyjew wrote:Kharrak wrote:Happyjew wrote:Yes but unless Ghaz has it, which as I don't own the codex am unsure, the unit loses Move Through Cover
Ghaz is an IC. Thus he has Move Through Cover.
Unless he has the USR, when Ghaz joins the Kommandos they would lose Move Through Cover, as it is marked with *.
All Independent Characters have the Move Through Cover special rules.
Meaning that if you join Gazzy to a Kommando Squad, they will not lose Move Through Cover.
Of course, because Gazzy is in Mega Armour, you will have to roll three dice to see how far the unit moves each turn.
Missed that bit in the IC rules. My bad.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/09/27 19:26:41
Subject: Re:Ghazzy + Snikrot
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Screamin' Stormboy
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Thanks for the clarity Dakkanauts.
I didnt realise about the down side of running Ghaz (the trip 1 scenario).
Cheers.
Monk.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/09/27 19:37:49
Subject: Re:Ghazzy + Snikrot
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Fixture of Dakka
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The Monk wrote:Thanks for the clarity Dakkanauts.
I didnt realise about the down side of running Ghaz (the trip 1 scenario).
Cheers.
Monk.
Don't worry too much about it. It basically means you auto-lose 1 out of every 216 games, but that's low enough to not be a big deal. And, if it ever happens in a casual game, just say "Okay, I concede this game, how about another game where we assume everything else has gone the exact same way, but I just rolled 2,1,1?"
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/09/27 20:22:45
Subject: Re:Ghazzy + Snikrot
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Screamin' Stormboy
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I now know that it is perfectaly legal, and am familiar with the down sides of playig Ghaz + Snikrot, but it feels dirty.
Would opponets to people playing this way feel like the Ork player is tabeling some  / WAAC or do opponets to this combo enjoy the challenge?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/09/27 20:46:43
Subject: Re:Ghazzy + Snikrot
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The Monk wrote:Would opponets to people playing this way feel like the Ork player is tabeling some  / WAAC or do opponets to this combo enjoy the challenge?
Yes.
It is almost always one of those two options.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/09/27 21:07:47
Subject: Ghazzy + Snikrot
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is it legal... yes, completely legal... would i do it in a friendly game... most assuradly not.
you an however run a mad dok/snikrot kombo ... cybork the kommandoes, and snikrot for a 5++ and fnp, the rage he infers on the unit sucks, but as he's behind enemy lines htere's usually plenty of ways to manipulate it to the target you want, btu your opponent short of the first assault can usually adjust and play it out kiting the raging mad-doc, good dectraction though
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/09/27 21:20:28
Subject: Re:Ghazzy + Snikrot
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This really doesn't seem OP to me. Compared to a Nob squad with Big Mek (KFF) in a Battlewagon (Deff Rolla), Snikrot+Ghaz doesn't seem bad at all. And, paying 360 points minimum to put Ghaz (on foot) in the backfield seems a bit expensive.
You end up clearing out whatever unit was next to that board edge, but as long as you're not playing a newbie, you shouldn't have an opportunity to multi-charge.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/09/27 22:02:05
Subject: Re:Ghazzy + Snikrot
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Grakmar wrote:This really doesn't seem OP to me. Compared to a Nob squad with Big Mek (KFF) in a Battlewagon (Deff Rolla), Snikrot+Ghaz doesn't seem bad at all. And, paying 360 points minimum to put Ghaz (on foot) in the backfield seems a bit expensive.
You end up clearing out whatever unit was next to that board edge, but as long as you're not playing a newbie, you shouldn't have an opportunity to multi-charge.
I might be biased .. when I found out I could attach an IC i decided to dive it a shot, attacked ghaz to komandoes and went to my flgs to try out the list. the firs tperson to ask for a game was IG... he played a parking lot, poor guy never stood a chance . but your'e right against some peopel it would do nothing... against DE it'd be a complete waste
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/09/27 22:30:50
Subject: Re:Ghazzy + Snikrot
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Fixture of Dakka
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Grakmar wrote:
Don't worry too much about it. It basically means you auto-lose 1 out of every 216 games, but that's low enough to not be a big deal. And, if it ever happens in a casual game, just say "Okay, I concede this game, how about another game where we assume everything else has gone the exact same way, but I just rolled 2,1,1?"
Well, a ghaz conversion on a 60mm base auto-dies 1 out of 27 games for rolling nothing but 1s or 2s... That is much more devastating.
Mad Dok in the backfield is pretty hard to kite as being able to chose where you come in practically guarantees your choice of initial target and second target by your placement.
Also remember, you don't HAVE to ambush with your IC, but having the option to can help. being able to choose between your Nobz in a BW or Snik goes a long way in tourneys.
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