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For two undermanned chapters to unite as one or does the geneseed make it impossible.

I was just thinking how cool it would be for Raven Guard and Blood Ravens to join as one. Both are severely undermanned and they share similar names.

Uh, what?

The Raven Guard are not "severely undermanned".

Of course they are, they haven't been the same since the Drop Site Massacre.

Blood_Raven wrote:Of course they are, they haven't been the same since the Drop Site Massacre.

They had 10000 years to rebuild.

Blood_Raven wrote:Of course they are, they haven't been the same since the Drop Site Massacre.

What? That was 10,000 years ago, they have no problems with numbers any more.

Nope.

The two missing legions did get swallowed up by the Ultramarines, though. So, one of the 2nd founding Ultramarine chapters might contain marines from two legions.

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The Drop Site Massacre was a long time ago.

They were rebuilt in size, and actually have two(at least) Successor Chapters.
The Raptors and (I think) Black Guard Chapters are both Raven Guard Successors.
The numbers thing would only have mattered (like they did...) during the Horus Heresy.

ph34r wrote:Nope.

The two missing legions did get swallowed up by the Ultramarines, though.

Although - and correct me if I'm wrong - that's speculation and did it mention both missing Legions?

I thought they lost all their recruits because they became monsters due to the cloning going wrong, Corax then killed them all and left for the Eye of Terror.

That's why they concentrate on Infiltration and swift attack, because they don't have the numbers for full frontal attacks.

No. Raven Guard lost a good CHUNK of their recruits 10,000 YEARS AGO. They concentrate on infiltration and swift attack, because that's their specialization.

Just like the White Scars are hit & run experts.

The Ultramarines are . . . ultrasmurfs?

The Salamanders are expert gun & weaponsmiths.



Each legion is like their respective Primarch.

Blood_Raven wrote:I thought they lost all their recruits because they became monsters due to the cloning going wrong, Corax then killed them all and left for the Eye of Terror.

That's why they concentrate on Infiltration and swift attack, because they don't have the numbers for full frontal attacks.

Yeah, there was a significant amount who were corrupted through Corax mucking about with their geneseed, but seeing as how he isn't there anymore, thats not really an issue any more.

Just Dave wrote:

ph34r wrote:Nope.

The two missing legions did get swallowed up by the Ultramarines, though.

Although - and correct me if I'm wrong - that's speculation and did it mention both missing Legions?

Just heavily implied in the HH books, yeah. It's as definite as we are likely to ever get, as with many widely accepted 40k "facts"

ph34r wrote:

Just Dave wrote:

ph34r wrote:Nope.

The two missing legions did get swallowed up by the Ultramarines, though.

Although - and correct me if I'm wrong - that's speculation and did it mention both missing Legions?

Just heavily implied in the HH books, yeah. It's as definite as we are likely to ever get, as with many widely accepted 40k "facts"

The two missing Legions will forever remain vague, to allow homebrew chapters. That being said, I haven't seen anything about the gene-seeds from those two Primarchs. Is it possible/likely that they're still used, or is it stated anywhere that they aren't? Because if they were swallowed by the Ultra's, doesn't that mean it's possible that any of them actually aren't inheritor's of Guilliman, but of Missingno. 1 & 2?

The missing legions have become pretty useless for homebrew fluff since official fluff has decreed both legions bought it during the Great Crusade.

KilroyKiljoy wrote:Although - and correct me if I'm wrong - that's speculation and did it mention both missing Legions?

Just heavily implied in the HH books, yeah. It's as definite as we are likely to ever get, as with many widely accepted 40k "facts"

Space Marines are a little to proud to combine with another chapter, I think. imho They'd probably prefer to go on a lot of death or glory suicide missions and die in flames of glory.

Phiasco II wrote:Space Marines are a little to proud to combine with another chapter, I think. imho They'd probably prefer to go on a lot of death or glory suicide missions and die in flames of glory.

[mattwardref]But not too proud to combine with Necrons![/mattwardref]

But, in all seriousness, that does make sense.

I actually liked that bit of fluff after I saw this picture. Just makes me laugh.




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The Blood-Crons Chapter!!!

That stopped being funny the first time it was posted.

Nah, its a timeless classic

It's unknown if Blood Ravens descended from Raven Guard. Why not from Blood Angels?

Phiasco II wrote:Nah, its a timeless classic

No it's still hilarious.

I can't see Blood Ravens and Raven Guard combining permanently as a chapter, but a long term partnership maybe. Though still doubtful, BR being a psyker centric chapter and Raven Guard being sneaky ninjas, unless they were to engage in a psyker ninja campaign against...umm. The Tau or something.
Anyway, doubtful that they would combine forces on a regular basis.

Farseer Petriel wrote:It's unknown if Blood Ravens descended from Raven Guard. Why not from Blood Angels?

I haven't played the DOW 2 games or read A Thousand Sons yet but I've seen a lot of posts on Dakka that say it is implied that the Blood Ravens were Thousand Sons loyalists...

ph34r wrote:

Just Dave wrote:

ph34r wrote:Nope.

The two missing legions did get swallowed up by the Ultramarines, though.

Although - and correct me if I'm wrong - that's speculation and did it mention both missing Legions?

Just heavily implied in the HH books, yeah. It's as definite as we are likely to ever get, as with many widely accepted 40k "facts"

Just a point...
It's speculation on the part of a Word Bearer.

He is then told effectively by his superior to shut up and stop spreading slander by his superior, even if it is against the Ultramarines who recently shamed the Word Bearers.

What we do know is that "One Legion was purged and one Legion lost". The hinting is that the "Lost" Legion had some survivors who were rolled into the Ultramarines.

Anyways.

Chapters do not "combine" when they've been devastated like Guard Regiments do.
It's not because of pride, but it is about the geneseed. Supplying one Chapter with geneseed from one specific source regularly is hard enough.
Supplying one Chapter with two different sources of geneseed would likely be a nightmare for the agencies(Adeptus Terra and Mechanicus) involved.

When a Chapter has been devastated to the point where they cease to exist(as in the case of the Scythes of the Emperor Chapter), they have several avenues of "continuing the line".
Some of those survivors will be kept around, with their livery intact, and given the option of being the Chapter Master of a new Chapter. Some will spread themselves out amongst other Chapters and serve as advisors, training instructors, etc. Some will give up their history and join the Deathwatch permanently, some might find their way into an Inquisitor's retinue or any avenue that they have open to them.

Tempering with geneseed is heresy. I'm pretty sure having -mixed- geneseed can't go much better too with the Imperial authority.

Although the Chaos Marines have done that before, the Red Corsair's is basically a collage of Traitor's and Renegades.

They heavily hint that the blood ravens are not a successor chapter of the raven guard.

The Thousand Sons have red armor, period.
The Corvidae had a raven's head as their symbol.

And I should also add that it's the "strong opinion" of the writer that there's a tie between the two, but that doesn't mean that it necessarily is the case. He's been given free reign to hint however much he wants, but I can't imagine they'll really let him "seal the deal".

To answer the OP: Yes chapters who lose too many marines will be recruited into another chapter. However the only evidence I've seen of this is the case of the Scythes of the Emperor/ Emperors Scythes. They were supposedly smashed by Tyranids and forced to have all remain brothers join the Deathwatch permanently. But, that was a while ago and since then I've seen the Scythes in art books and in the Tau codex without Deathwatch colors.