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Hello, Dakkanuts. In your opinion, what a minimum sized army? In my opinion, to count a force as an army, you need about 1000 points. Otherwise, 500.

I think 1000 is an army, 500 is an attack force

Yes, I consider 500 points a small Strikeforce.

I would consider a 1000 point force an army. Anything smaller is a battleforce.

Agree with everything said above.

Aren't some Battleforces like 500 points?

Last time I added it up (which was admittedly a while back) most of the Battleforce boxes were between 300 and 700 points, depending on the army.

A minimum size army is 2 troops and 1 HQ, I've never really taken points values into account. If it can legally be fielded in a standard game of 40k, regardless of cost, it's an army in my mind.

Brother SRM wrote:A minimum size army is 2 troops and 1 HQ, I've never really taken points values into account. If it can legally be fielded in a standard game of 40k, regardless of cost, it's an army in my mind.

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Brother SRM wrote:A minimum size army is 2 troops and 1 HQ, I've never really taken points values into account. If it can legally be fielded in a standard game of 40k, regardless of cost, it's an army in my mind.

Agreed. Minimum size army is whatever the rules state (subject to change for certain senarios).

Assigning a points value to it is just-a-touch silly as strictly speaking a force of several thousand points would still not be equivalent to the size of an actual "army".

Regarding general gaming edicit, 750 is probably the smallest size force that I'd bring to a game shop if looking for a pickup-game, though I'd be willing to play even smaller games for something like "40k in 40 minutes", kill team or combat patrol.

If I saw five hundred points worth of orks rampaging towards me, I'd be inclined to call it an army.

I agree with Jimsolo, at 500 points you can field 60 boys with klaw nobz and a boss, which I would call an "army"

16 points is an army.

My space marines are all 1 man armies ><

What???

I usually think of armies as a collection of its models rather than a hard points value. I personally think a battleforce and a couple extra kits is a good sized collection for playing games, and would probably be 750-1000 points for most races.

Technically you only need 1 HQ and 2 Troops, but if your force is too small point and/or model wise I doubt you or your opponent would have much fun playing with them.

Yes, but I mean for a FULL army.

All 40k games are skirmishes between small strike forces.


and actual "army" would be represented by around 5k+ and would be what you see in Appoc games, although still following the principal of the FoC.

Grey Templar wrote:All 40k games are skirmishes between small strike forces.


and actual "army" would be represented by around 5k+ and would be what you see in Appoc games, although still following the principal of the FoC.

Or, I hasten to add, Epic...You can easily fit 5k of Epic onto a normal sized table, with room to spare.

Yes, but I wouldn't call Apocalypse small strike forces.

Grey Templar wrote:All 40k games are skirmishes between small strike forces.

Depends how you look at it. I prefer to think of a game of 40k being a focal point of a larger battle. It makes more sense when you consider special characters being used and some support abilities (things like bombardments can easily be called from artillery sitting behind the fight).

Thats another possable explaination. the two are not mutually exclusive.

a small strike force is assaulting a weak point or the engagement is simply the focal point in a larger battle.

Ogryn wrote:Yes, but I mean for a FULL army.

I suppose that would just entirely depend on what you mean by an 'army'.

Are we counting hard points values? I would tihnk 1000 is good enough, but 500 is still certainly enough to get you going, especially if you're a beginner or starting a new army. However 500 points for some reason isnt considered an army but rather a 'small strike force'. But if you consider 1000 points of marines versus 1000 points of Orks, the orks will seem as much of an army as at 500, but the Marines are still, being Marines, going to be a 'small strike force.'

Are we considering aesthetic/collectible values in terms of what's an army? I suppose a collection of 50 IG infantry is more of an army than one single 10-man Tactical Marines squad.

"All 40k games are skirmishes between small strike forces."

Agreed, a real "Army" in the warhammer universe is a vast number of trops, support and vehicles. A good example of what a "Army" would be conidered to the Imperial guard would be a regiment. This could be anywhere from a thousand to 20,000+ guardsmen with all the attached tanks, transports, and command segments. What you would see on the table for a game of 40K would be just one of many platoons or larger companies of guardsmen, representing a small part of a much larger battlefield, or a scouting force etc.

I agree.

Ruleswise I say 1 HQ and 2 Troops.

Pointswise... that's a hard one. Somewhere around 1000 points perhaps.

But in the end I'd say it is more about the amount of models and what the models are. Let's say you field half a company of marines. I'd call that an army but 50 guardsmen... not quite. Three full platoons is a whole different thing though.

Ogryn wrote:Hello, Dakkanuts. In your opinion, what a minimum sized army? In my opinion, to count a force as an army, you need about 1000 points. Otherwise, 500.

Guess it depends on what you consider an army. By the rules an army is 1 HQ + 2 Troops. Beyound that it can be as big as you want.

I don't really consider any 40k forces armies until you start hitting the big Apocolypse sized games. A few units (platoons) with a tank in support does not an army make IMNSHO.

Skriker

I would protest the whole " 1 HQ, 2 troops" opinion simply because i don't think it makes sense anymore.

points wise at least 1000 points for an Army
5000 for something of a realistic scale Army.

Agreed. I mean, one HQ, and two troops can be like 200 points.

500 points = very small game not much is going too happen

1000 points = now its getting Interesting.

Even 1000 points is small...