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Ok, i know there are a lot of threads about the hexrifle and the use of FNP against it being allowed or not. I have my interpretation, and would appreciate feedback directly stating why the chain of logic I'm using is not accurate or legal.

Unit gets hit by 5 hexrifle shots. Three manage to wound with a 4,4,5 and two wound with 6's, which cause rending on sniper rifles.

The unit fired at is a squad of 4 plague marines and an independent character (lets say abby).

The 3 regular wound are taken on the marines. Two pass there 3+ save, one fails it. The two rending wounds go on a plague marine and on abby. The ap2 means the plague marine does not get an armour save or his FNP roll, so he is removed as a casualty. Abby has a 4+ invuln, which he unluckily fails.

So we have the debacle that seems to exist in determing the order of effects. Lets do abby first.

Abby has 4 wounds on his profile, so he must roll a 1,2,3, or 4 to pass his wounds test. He manages a 3, so he continues to live and fight, but still suffers the 1 wound.

Now for the plague marine. He has failed his armour save, thus triggering both the FNP special rule and the hexrifle characterstic test. Here is my take on it: do both, they're happening at the same time and do not apply to eachother.

-If you take the FNP roll and fail, and the model has only 1wound, it d ies anyway.
-If you take the FNP roll and fail, and the model has more than 1wound and fails the wound characteristic test, it is removed from play.
-If you take FNP and pass, you still take the characteristic test against your wounds value. You do this because the FNP roll can only be taken AFTER an unsaved wound has happened, which triggershe the hexriflewound characteristic test. All FNP allows you to do is ignore the injury, not the wound. I picture this as a plague marine being shot square in the shoulder and not caring in the least, firing and fighting as normal. Is he wounded by the shot? Yes. Does he feel the pain from the wound? Not in the least.

So, thats my two cents. Thoughts and opinions would be much appreciated. Theres a case of beer riding on this little debate at the hobby shop!

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There has been a discussion of this rather recently. (last post was 6 days ago)
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/401182.page


If you ignore the wound, you ignore everything that comes after "The wound" since you are ignoring it.

Nothing can trigger from said "The wound" because to have "The wound" affect the game is not not ignore "The wound".

Look at FNP, "if a model with this ability suffers an unsaved wound, roll a dice. On a 1-3 take the wound as normal..."

The wound is referring to the Unsaved wound earlier in the sentence. So FNP tells us we must ignore the injury, which = wound which = unsaved wound.

We have to pretend we never failed that armor/cover/invuln save and we have to pretend the Unsaved Wound does not exist.

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no arguements here, not on this.

OP use the search function.

   
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