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Was just wondering what my fellow dakkanauts thought of the WoC character Kholek and how to use him? Any ideas/thoughts are appreciated.

Cheers
Dilks

If he makes it to combat you can almost call the game.
Ok maybe not but still if he gets to your opponent he will wreck face.
That being said he gets shot and magiced like crazy and usually dies because he is a combat monster.
Best way to get him there cover as in buildingsblick Los as much as possible.
Then roll dice and remove enemy models

played kolek twice this year, one friendly one tourney (not a lot of WoC around me). Both times it was with VC, no shooting and no good spells to hurt him.
I beat him in combat with skeletons.


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Remember not to fight things you can challenge. And try to avoid fights where your opponent can get easy CR from a supporting unit, like marauders.

He's too expensive and too exposed.

I mean that's 605 pts. It's not like the enemy is going to ignore him.

If you can get him to fight some multi-wound semi-elites, he'd do awesome. Like Ogres. His huge WS would give him the most protection. But against smaller units, he's wasted. You could buy 3 giants for that amount, which would cause a lot more havoc.

He does have his place in a monsterous horde since you have enough large scary things to make the opponent choose.
But he is costly.

what about for a legendary battle? I think he would be fun just with all those special rules and just beacuse it is a massive game.

I like the idea of a Dragon Ogre list, couple of big marauder blocks, two smallish units of dragon ogres, couple of shaggoths, kholek, bsb and level 2 and there 2500 atleast

I used to run him in a throgg horde with two giants throgg and a ton of trolls. Sometimes I miss that list

Only time I fought Kholek my M@As beat him in combat and chased him down.

Other than that he seems like he is a decent buy, but maybe not the most competitive choice.

Just sounds like poor use with people charging him into blocks or getting charged unsupported. I dont see too many characters or elites in the game that could stand up to this guy in close combat, he just has to be used properly. His statline is just absurd.

That being said, he is just too many points. Lots of better lord options in the WoC book that are much less then 600pts.

Well he also has a 18" inspiring presence and can smash anything small in the shooting phase

His main problems are that he is too expensive and dies to cannons.

If he could join Drogres he would be much better.

He can kill cannons and owns Skavens face

Sure, he can shoot back but he only has 8 wounds. 2 rounds of cannonfire will see him dead.

Like most characters and monsters, he will be prone to lore of death

LD 9
S8
T7
Not really any sniping spell
Though P-Sun laughs at him

As said he's not bad he just costs too much for what he does.

He's 605pts of Int 1.

One Pit of Shades or Purple Sun and all 8 of his wounds are dead on a 2+.

Sorry to revive this old thread but with the new book, thoughts now Kholek is cheaper? Any different opinions to before?

Cheers
Dilks

Please refrain from Necroing old threads

 Grey Templar wrote:
Sure, he can shoot back but he only has 8 wounds. 2 rounds of cannonfire will see him dead.

Actually, 2 rounds of cannon shooting averages on 7 wounds given that most armies can only stack 2 cannons in the rare slot :*

Sorry for nitpicking

I was just looking at him last night for whatever reason. He's vastly cheaper than he was. I mean I understand the appeal of 8 stats. Guys like bigger/badder. But it's generally overkill. There's only a couple units in the game that he doesn't wound on a 2+. If you can choose between 8S and 8T you take 8T.

But he can use his storm even in CC, he does D3, a bazillion attacks. He can make his points back fighting monsters/ogres/heroes, but I think it will be tough in some other cases.

Kholek is amongst my favorite of all charactets in Warhammer. His ridiculous WS and Wounds are damn good, along with his strength in combat. But he is the focus of cannons a lot. I also find him to be a overpriced as well. Even with the statline.

 Sigvatr wrote:

 Grey Templar wrote:
Sure, he can shoot back but he only has 8 wounds. 2 rounds of cannonfire will see him dead.

Actually, 2 rounds of cannon shooting averages on 7 wounds given that most armies can only stack 2 cannons in the rare slot :*

Sorry for nitpicking

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Since you actually have to roll to bounce, and you can over/undershoot, and have to roll to wound, you're going to average a lot less than 7 wounds a turn from 2 cannons.
But I wouldn't want him to go into combat crippled, I'd stick him behind ~8 trolls. That should stop most/all cannons fire.


-Matt

The chance of completely missing a base as big as he would have is pretty low.

 Grey Templar wrote:
The chance of completely missing a base as big as he would have is pretty low.

It's not all that low. Shaggoths are on a 50mm, and lacking any official model for Kholek, I'd put him on a 50.
Hitting a slightly larger then 50mm target (shooting at any angle at his base), you're going to hit him 66% of the time. 6/36 shots misfire, 6 out of 36 land short or overshoot.
5/6 wound.

How many cannon shots would I want to take at him? 66% hit, 83% wound, 3.5 is the average of multiple wound D6. You need to do 8 wounds?
I better have ~5 cannon shots. I'd feel better with 6+ shots. Or, plan on dealing with him with something besides just cannons.

If you can screen some of those shots with monstrous infantry (like trolls with regen) then some of those shots will be stopped short.

Yeah, I did actually kill him in a single turn one time. Three Dwarf Cannons two with D6 wounds. Cannons are the bane of Kholek Suneater, and really anything on that base.

Mountain-Breaker wrote:
Yeah, I did actually kill him in a single turn one time. Three Dwarf Cannons two with D6 wounds. Cannons are the bane of Kholek Suneater, and really anything on that base.

And I've had a terrorgheist (T6 W6) which is on a much larger base survive 6 cannon shots.
I wouldn't make a battle plan off of previous lucky results.

-Matt

HawaiiMatt wrote:

Mountain-Breaker wrote:
Yeah, I did actually kill him in a single turn one time. Three Dwarf Cannons two with D6 wounds. Cannons are the bane of Kholek Suneater, and really anything on that base.

And I've had a terrorgheist (T6 W6) which is on a much larger base survive 6 cannon shots.
I wouldn't make a battle plan off of previous lucky results.

-Matt

Oh of course, I dont mean to say that it is a good strategy to bank on cannon fire and hope to kill him, or an equal sized opponent. Im just saying that it can be done. Especially when set up and executed properly. And of course some lucky rolls, I mean, it isnt often that something like that is killed in one turn. But when it is, it is glorious. (or catastrophic.)