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I know there have been tons of threads about other forces in other series that could wage war with the Imperium. The only one that I can think of that could possibly stand a chance is the Galactic Empire form Star Wars.
CAN NO ONE ELSE STAND UP TO THE MIGHT OF THE IMPERIUM? I don't think anyone can.
Eh I was always under the impression that the Empire had larger/more powerful ships and more of them.
For instance, 30,000 Star Destroyers were in SW Imperial Navy service whereas all of Segmentum Obscurus "only" has something like 900 Lunar Class Cruisers. If a SM Chapter has like 3 Battle Barges it's a big deal. The size of the Galactic Empire has always come off as larger in terms of military power.
The Covenant from Halo would prove to be a formidable regional threat similar to the Tau at least, their ships are powerful as hell. I've always thought the Covenant would fit in quite well into 40k, just replace the Forerunners with Old Ones.
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The Time Lords could do so to an even greater extent.
The forces of Apokolips good. Granted, that's at least partially because Darkseid could do so himself, alone and unaided.
The Downstreamers from the Manifold series could as well.
The Xeelee.
Really, a lot of stuff, these are just a few that come to mind.
And these are just civilizations, I can name numerous solitary beings who can absolutely annihilate the Imperium, or even the entirety of the 40kverse.
Coolyo294 wrote:Yeah, but those Star Destroyers are smaller then an escort ship from the Imperium's Navy.
There was a huge thread about this a while back. While Star Wars ships are much much smaller than IoM ships, they generally have stronger, longer-ranged weapons and better shielding, as well as being quite a bit faster.
Automatically Appended Next Post: And the Daleks could in theory if they weren't so incompetant, they're always stopped by the actions of one single man, even if that man happens to be as awesome as The Doctor.
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The Jjaro from Marathon probably could, considering technology scavenged from them was capable of teleporting planets around and causing suns to go super nova.
MandalorynOranj wrote:There was a huge thread about this a while back. While Star Wars ships are much much smaller than IoM ships, they generally have stronger, longer-ranged weapons and better shielding, as well as being quite a bit faster.
In terms of longer ranged... Que?
Most space battles we see in Star Wars take place so close you can effortlessly see the tiny bus sized fighters shooting at you. "Base contact" in BFGIIRC is measured in tens of thousands of kilometers.
Not sure on stronger long-ranged weapons or better shielding either, honestly.
Nor on their speed when not in hyperdrive.
Automatically Appended Next Post: And the Daleks could in theory if they weren't so incompetant, they're always stopped by the actions of one single man, even if that man happens to be as awesome as The Doctor.
They have produced weaponry capable of destroying universes, and even the Multiverse with the Reality Bomb. Destroy planets and even solar systems is apparently nothing for them.
That's a bit much for 40k. Granted, a lot of my knowledge is secondhand.
Groo the wanderer could, just based on how everything seems to work out for him
Deadpool could
So could Ash from Army of Darkness
Oh yeah..and Chuck Norris
"Khorne is a noble warrior who respects strength and bravery, who takes no joy in destroying the weak, and considers the helpless unworthy of his wrath. It is said that fate will spare any brave warrior who calls upon Khorne's name and pledges his soul to the blood god. It is also said that Khorne's daemons will hunt down and destroy any warrior who betrays his honour by killing a helpless innocent or murdering in cold blood..."
from the Renegades supplement for Epic Space Marine, page 54-55
The reapers from Mass Effect slay entire galaxies worth of civilizations repeatedly. I think they would stand a pretty decent chance of wiping out the imperium.
They're like Tyranids and Necrons mixed together, and those are both dangerous to begin with.
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Harriticus wrote:Eh I was always under the impression that the Empire had larger/more powerful ships and more of them.
For instance, 30,000 Star Destroyers were in SW Imperial Navy service whereas all of Segmentum Obscurus "only" has something like 900 Lunar Class Cruisers. If a SM Chapter has like 3 Battle Barges it's a big deal. The size of the Galactic Empire has always come off as larger in terms of military power.
The Covenant from Halo would prove to be a formidable regional threat similar to the Tau at least, their ships are powerful as hell. I've always thought the Covenant would fit in quite well into 40k, just replace the Forerunners with Old Ones.
30,000 seems like a fair estimate for the size of the Imperial Navy.
However, the GE has about 5 times as many planets.
And the Covenant would be about as strong as the tau, more or less. Plus the theme of multi-species empire with one more frail physically race on top fits like a glove.
Hunters=Broadsides? No, I won't let myself get drawn into this!
But the only sci-fi universe beating 40k I can see would be Dune, The Culture and the GE.
GE has an army of Librarians wielding force weapons (Oh does that name ever fit!!!)
Harriticus wrote:Eh I was always under the impression that the Empire had larger/more powerful ships and more of them.
For instance, 30,000 Star Destroyers were in SW Imperial Navy service whereas all of Segmentum Obscurus "only" has something like 900 Lunar Class Cruisers. If a SM Chapter has like 3 Battle Barges it's a big deal. The size of the Galactic Empire has always come off as larger in terms of military power.
The Covenant from Halo would prove to be a formidable regional threat similar to the Tau at least, their ships are powerful as hell. I've always thought the Covenant would fit in quite well into 40k, just replace the Forerunners with Old Ones.
30,000 seems like a fair estimate for the size of the Imperial Navy.
However, the GE has about 5 times as many planets.
And the Covenant would be about as strong as the tau, more or less. Plus the theme of multi-species empire with one more frail physically race on top fits like a glove.
Hunters=Broadsides? No, I won't let myself get drawn into this!
But the only sci-fi universe beating 40k I can see would be Dune, The Culture
GE has an army of Librarians wielding force weapons (Oh does that name ever fit!!!)
Okay we have discussed this.
Hundreds of times.
The GE would be crushed.
Don't make me pull out 4 of our experts who will beat this subject down again.
Please do not post these threads ever. They do not end up anywhere good.
You can't say oh the the Galatic Empire has an army of librarians BS. They don't have any librarians because they killed them all.
The Imperium of Man has 900 Luna Cruisers... Luna Cruisers wait how big are those oh yeah! 5km.
A Regular frigiate in the imperium of man is 2km.
A Fighter is 1km. The Cobra. And there are hundreds of thousands of them.
Star Destroyers are as big as Cobra Fighter.
Don't Believe Me every website says this... 1600 meters long, Imperial-class Star Destroyers are armed with turbolasers
A Cobra Fighter is sent out by Captial Ships of the Imperium called the Emperor Class Ships are 1/3 the size of a super star destroyer.
The Imperium of Man also has Trillions and trillions of soldiers.
And Millions of Super Soldiers. The Imperium of man uses more advanced plasma. They Have Alpha Pyskers, they have untouchables, they have the military might that make the GE think twice before beeping up a situation.
The Imperium of Man feels no feelings towards blowing up planets. The Imperium of man has the life eater virus. The Imperium of Man has the Nova Cannon.
The Imperium of Man has the Death Watch, The Grey Knights, The Custodes.
In sheer brutality the Imperium of Man wins, the imperium has the largest fleets ever. Their cruisers are massive.
The Only three other areas that win are the Culture, The Dunes, and the Supreme Commander Races.
The GE loses because they would not be able to handle a virus that would eat them alive and then space marines would teleport aboard their command centers and slaughter them.
The GE has no teleportation technology. The Imperium does.
The GE has no weapons that can destroy entire worlds in 3 seconds. The Death Star doesn't count because it was destroyed three times..... by a bunch of wannabe teenagers.
The Space Marines would come into darth vaders room with 2 untouchables, And darth vader is dead as 50 bolter shells go through his body.
There is no way in hell the GE would win against the Ground forces and the Combined Imperial Navy.
The Full might of the imperium on one place at one time? Hahahaha the GE is screwed so badly its hilarious they don't take to kindly to Alien Races so extermination is going to happen and the imperium will reverse engineer the entire star wars universes weapons and everything else.
Even the old and new republics would get owned. Still don't believe me?
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Void__Dragon wrote:
Automatically Appended Next Post: And the Daleks could in theory if they weren't so incompetant, they're always stopped by the actions of one single man, even if that man happens to be as awesome as The Doctor.
They have produced weaponry capable of destroying universes, and even the Multiverse with the Reality Bomb. Destroy planets and even solar systems is apparently nothing for them.
That's a bit much for 40k. Granted, a lot of my knowledge is secondhand.
Doctor Who does not count it is more Fantasy than Sci-fi sadly :(
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FinalAnswer wrote:The Jjaro from Marathon probably could, considering technology scavenged from them was capable of teleporting planets around and causing suns to go super nova.
Not really. The imperium does the same thing.
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Roadkill Zombie wrote:Groo the wanderer could, just based on how everything seems to work out for him
Deadpool could
So could Ash from Army of Darkness
Oh yeah..and Chuck Norris
Those are fantasy and comic book characters
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From whom are unforgiven we bring the mercy of war.
The Daleks have reliable time travel and their ships are planet-crackers. They fought and were winning a war against the Time Lords, whose mastery of time technology and reality itself is unparalleled in 40k. The reality bomb goes far beyond the power and scope of 40k's abilities short of the Chaos Gods; just the technology used to secure its components is ridiculous and comparable to the Dark Eldar (Although the reality bomb is technically not Dalek tech because Davros made it, the planet-towing is).
Even individual Daleks can create planet-wide threats if given the opportunity, as seen in ''Dalek'', and they'd just wade through PDF or Guard forces; even light artillery wouldn't do much, considering that they can survive atmospheric reentry. They're also incredibly intelligent hackers and inventors. In ''Victory of the Daleks'', a stranded group of three Dalek grunts created a planet-destroying blackhole bomb inside a walking, talking, thinking android when stripped for resources. The Dalek Emperor and the Cult of Skaro both were able to think up completely different ways to create new Daleks. There's really not much the Imperium can do against that sort of tech or resourcefulness.
Just because the Daleks are incompetent against the Doctor doesn't mean they'd lose to the Imperium. There is simply no way for the Imperium to defeat a significant Dalek force at the height of their power; even if they were on-par with the Daleks' firepower, they lack the immense benefits time travel brings and the Dalek's adaptive/inventive capacity. The greatest weapon the Imperium has is the Warp, but that's not going to be much help when the Daleks could just teleport to Earth right after the Horus Heresy.
Also, as Void Dragon said, Doctor Who is no more fantasy than Warhammer 40000 is.
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I bet somebody's going to use the "fantasy" defense.
The Imperium's best option against Goku would be to throw out all the stops with its psykers, but that would have to be a ridiculously and unrealistically coordinated effort.
I bet somebody's going to use the "fantasy" defense.
The Imperium's best option against Goku would be to throw out all the stops with its psykers, but that would have to be a ridiculously and unrealistically coordinated effort.
If they're allowed to have space magick and space-blood-wolf-space-viking-blood-wolf-marines, I don't think a Saiyan is out of the question.
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Harrower wrote:Like I said in the other thread....
The Culture.
It wouldn't even be a war, it'd be an execution.
the culture may have won battles instantaneously but they haven't fought what warhammer can make. unless I've missed something, anything the Culture has dealt with as neusance, could have been dealt with by the Imperium of Man with a signature.
Harriticus wrote:Eh I was always under the impression that the Empire had larger/more powerful ships and more of them.
For instance, 30,000 Star Destroyers were in SW Imperial Navy service whereas all of Segmentum Obscurus "only" has something like 900 Lunar Class Cruisers. If a SM Chapter has like 3 Battle Barges it's a big deal. The size of the Galactic Empire has always come off as larger in terms of military power.
The Covenant from Halo would prove to be a formidable regional threat similar to the Tau at least, their ships are powerful as hell. I've always thought the Covenant would fit in quite well into 40k, just replace the Forerunners with Old Ones.
30,000 seems like a fair estimate for the size of the Imperial Navy.
However, the GE has about 5 times as many planets.
And the Covenant would be about as strong as the tau, more or less. Plus the theme of multi-species empire with one more frail physically race on top fits like a glove.
Hunters=Broadsides? No, I won't let myself get drawn into this!
But the only sci-fi universe beating 40k I can see would be Dune, The Culture
GE has an army of Librarians wielding force weapons (Oh does that name ever fit!!!)
Okay we have discussed this.
Hundreds of times.
The GE would be crushed.
Don't make me pull out 4 of our experts who will beat this subject down again.
Please do not post these threads ever. They do not end up anywhere good.
You can't say oh the the Galatic Empire has an army of librarians BS. They don't have any librarians because they killed them all.
The Imperium of Man has 900 Luna Cruisers... Luna Cruisers wait how big are those oh yeah! 5km.
A Regular frigiate in the imperium of man is 2km.
A Fighter is 1km. The Cobra. And there are hundreds of thousands of them.
Star Destroyers are as big as Cobra Fighter.
Don't Believe Me every website says this... 1600 meters long, Imperial-class Star Destroyers are armed with turbolasers
A Cobra Fighter is sent out by Captial Ships of the Imperium called the Emperor Class Ships are 1/3 the size of a super star destroyer.
The Imperium of Man also has Trillions and trillions of soldiers.
And Millions of Super Soldiers. The Imperium of man uses more advanced plasma. They Have Alpha Pyskers, they have untouchables, they have the military might that make the GE think twice before beeping up a situation.
The Imperium of Man feels no feelings towards blowing up planets. The Imperium of man has the life eater virus. The Imperium of Man has the Nova Cannon.
The Imperium of Man has the Death Watch, The Grey Knights, The Custodes.
In sheer brutality the Imperium of Man wins, the imperium has the largest fleets ever. Their cruisers are massive.
The Only three other areas that win are the Culture, The Dunes, and the Supreme Commander Races.
The GE loses because they would not be able to handle a virus that would eat them alive and then space marines would teleport aboard their command centers and slaughter them.
The GE has no teleportation technology. The Imperium does.
The GE has no weapons that can destroy entire worlds in 3 seconds. The Death Star doesn't count because it was destroyed three times..... by a bunch of wannabe teenagers.
The Space Marines would come into darth vaders room with 2 untouchables, And darth vader is dead as 50 bolter shells go through his body.
There is no way in hell the GE would win against the Ground forces and the Combined Imperial Navy.
The Full might of the imperium on one place at one time? Hahahaha the GE is screwed so badly its hilarious they don't take to kindly to Alien Races so extermination is going to happen and the imperium will reverse engineer the entire star wars universes weapons and everything else.
Even the old and new republics would get owned. Still don't believe me?
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Void__Dragon wrote:
Automatically Appended Next Post: And the Daleks could in theory if they weren't so incompetant, they're always stopped by the actions of one single man, even if that man happens to be as awesome as The Doctor.
They have produced weaponry capable of destroying universes, and even the Multiverse with the Reality Bomb. Destroy planets and even solar systems is apparently nothing for them.
That's a bit much for 40k. Granted, a lot of my knowledge is secondhand.
Doctor Who does not count it is more Fantasy than Sci-fi sadly :(
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FinalAnswer wrote:The Jjaro from Marathon probably could, considering technology scavenged from them was capable of teleporting planets around and causing suns to go super nova.
Not really. The imperium does the same thing.
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Roadkill Zombie wrote:Groo the wanderer could, just based on how everything seems to work out for him
Deadpool could
So could Ash from Army of Darkness
Oh yeah..and Chuck Norris
Those are fantasy and comic book characters
Wow. I concede. I wasn't aware of the naval situation.
btw that animation was cool, I had never seen an IN battleship from the front before.
And I am glad we can agree on Dune and the Culture winning. I still think 40k would own SC, but to each his own.
The galactic empire can generate enough power to blow up entire planets in a splitsecond. Their ships travel trough the galaxy in hours or at most days. Their weapons have a yield of several gigatons if we go by some of the material shown on screen and planetary shields which can withstand dozens of ships with hundreds of such weapons.
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