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I hear a lot of people defending fine cast along with telling how much they love it.

I like weight to my models. I like painting metal figures. I even like how the metal looks.
this not me crying about them changing to fine cast if a special character is only available to me in fine cast
i'll get it. but I simply enjoy metal 1000000000000 times better.

so is there anyone else who can't stand the fine cast models?

I own 120+ metal Mordian models, so I kinda have a thing for metal. Also, one of my spaceship fleets from Ground Zero Games is all metal. Lurves the metal.

I love plastic too, and finecast isn't terrible or anything, but I do like metal more. I only own one finecast model, being the Lord Commissar, and he was a breeze to put together, and my fiance who painted him, loved the resin.

I just prefer the heft of a metal model over plastic and resin.

A lot of people didn't like it when it came out and that was due to the poor quality control. Now that things have evened out, people still parrot the same thing without having actually seen the more recent batches of models. The initial poor quality along with the price rise means Finecast has put a bad taste in a lot of peoples' mouths.

Personally, I like it. The detail is a bit crisper, and it makes converting models much easier. If the Iron Warriors conversion kits were Finecast instead of metal it wouldn't have taken me the better part of two years just to find the drive to put three squads together. While the weight of metal models is nice, top-heavy figures that fall over and chip all the time are not. Looking at the Venomthrope in metal still makes me cringe.

Also, the first of you to come in with "Finecost", "Failcast", "Fineca$t", or whatever deserves a beating. That wasn't witty when the product line dropped, it's as bad as "The Cake is a Lie" now.

I think that this belongs in the P&M forums.

On a related note, everybody has their preferences and nothing will change that. I'm personally 'fine' with finecast as long as the problems with the casting process is fixed.
Weight isn't much of a problem for me. I do know that stripping metal will be a lot easier than resin, and that is the only downside I can think of.

Ugh...another finecast hate thread.....This topic has been done to death...

No, finecast is fine for the most part, the few figures I got in finecast were "finely cast"

Please note: I am NOT complaining about the detail quality!! simply a preference to metal rather than finecast.


I find the models very brittle to. I was painting a miniature and had its weapon break so easily I was like It pinned just as easy as it broke but I didn't like that.
felt like the model was going to shatter if i ever dropped it or something lol.

I don't think there is any logic to liking metal, plastic, or finecast. It's just personal experience. I personally can't stand metal. It feels wrong, it looks wrong, and it's hard for me to use. Though my first models where plastic and not metal. Like they say, there is no accounting for taste.

GamzaTheChaos wrote:Please note: I am NOT complaining about the detail quality!! simply a preference to metal rather than finecast.


I find the models very brittle to. I was painting a miniature and had its weapon break so easily I was like It pinned just as easy as it broke but I didn't like that.
felt like the model was going to shatter if i ever dropped it or something lol.

I was preemptively striking with that one, since pretty much every lemming in the 40k community jumps over that cliff

People talked about going to GW stores where the employees there would show them that the Finecast resin was incredibly flexible; bending swords, throwing models against the wall and what have you. Granted I would never do any of these things because they're ridiculous, but apparently some batches are very durable.

Finecast means easier converting, and I'm all for that. I don't mind the lack of weight in my minis since I'm used to plastics by now. When I was new to the game I was way more into metals though, since that's what I'd been brought up with.

I hate metal models with a burning passion. Finecast is much better.

Details: Equal, fortunately i have enough of the newer sculpts in both materials, the details are exactly the same.
Workability and Preparation : I say metal. drilling a hole isnt that hard. Sure beats scrapping flash and mold lines while been extra careful not to cut anything important off.
Also mold lines are easier to deal with when compared to miscasts of resin.
Durability: Metal. Resin bends and then the paint chips, thats a very big no for me. However one could argue resin wont fall apart as easily "when dropped" which is true since weight times velocity = i forgot what xD
But then again, how often does a model drop vs how much more careful we need to be handling resin i think there is a huge difference.
Transportability: Foam Transport: Metal wins. Resin ones seriously warp and bends when they are stacked togethre.
Magnetized Transpot: Resin wins. Lighter, easier to magnetize and stays in the same spot.

LunaHound wrote:Also mold lines are easier to deal with when compared to miscasts of resin.

Then return it. Saying this makes me wonder why people are fixing defective goods. If you get a miscast Finecast model, return it. It's the same policy GW have always had on any miscasts (yes, miscasts happened with metal, and happen with plastic). If it's miscast, return that model. Don't fix it.

Before anyone chimes in about GW expecting us to fix them because they releases liquid green stuff and finecast cleaning kits, no, they don't. Liquid green stuff is just another product they want to put their name on. Finecast cleaning kits are just a tool for removing mold lines and a glorified toothbrush for removing flash. If you're repairing miscast models rather than returning them, it's your call, not theirs. Liquid green stuff is something that is useful to their entire range, for things people already used normal green stuff for.

Personally, I prefer Finecast. I hate pinning models. I hated the 'weight' of larger metal models (I'm buying little soldiers, I'm already wasting the money, I don't need the weight of a metal model to justify it to myself). I hated how awkwardly balanced anything not a human got in metal (talk to a Tyranid player about metal Zoanthropes and Hive Guard some time). I defend finecast because personally, I prefer it over metal. Not everyone is going to, which I why I never really talk about it. I'd rather just enjoy making my models than get in a flamewar over the product.

The primary thing I dislike about Finecast is the price. I wouldn’t mind it if GW had passed the savings onto the customer the same way PP does when they move a product from metal to plastic. The fact that they’re priced higher than the metal minis (which were expensive enough already) is final nail in the coffin.

That being said, I’m glad that I quit collecting GW products earlier this year as I was always big on collecting HQs and converting them.

-Loki- wrote:

LunaHound wrote:Also mold lines are easier to deal with when compared to miscasts of resin.

Then return it. Saying this makes me wonder why people are fixing defective goods. If you get a miscast Finecast model, return it. It's the same policy GW have always had on any miscasts (yes, miscasts happened with metal, and happen with plastic). If it's miscast, return that model. Don't fix it.

Before anyone chimes in about GW expecting us to fix them because they releases liquid green stuff and finecast cleaning kits, no, they don't. Liquid green stuff is just another product they want to put their name on. Finecast cleaning kits are just a tool for removing mold lines and a glorified toothbrush for removing flash. If you're repairing miscast models rather than returning them, it's your call, not theirs. Liquid green stuff is something that is useful to their entire range, for things people already used normal green stuff for.

Personally, I prefer Finecast. I hate pinning models. I hated the 'weight' of larger metal models (I'm buying little soldiers, I'm already wasting the money, I don't need the weight of a metal model to justify it to myself). I hated how awkwardly balanced anything not a human got in metal (talk to a Tyranid player about metal Zoanthropes and Hive Guard some time). I defend finecast because personally, I prefer it over metal. Not everyone is going to, which I why I never really talk about it. I'd rather just enjoy making my models than get in a flamewar over the product.

I agree on those top heavy metal models! I have laughed so many times as my friends put a Tyranid model on the table to have it plop over. I even had a friend with old one eye all he did was bump the table and the top half fell over. many laughs but very annoying!

Sorry but i don't want to spend 2 hours getting to GW for a exchange.
But... I do expect this k?

For GW to step it up, whether its figuring out how to make better casts, or get a better quality control. Anything it takes to get it right. Then i'll be totally fine with fine cast.
Its fair right?

As of now, personally, and factoring in having to get it exchanged etc etc, i like the chances of metal so far.

They have stepped it up. The latest batches have been very good on the miscast front. They're still not near their metal quality control, but they getting there.

-Loki- wrote:They have stepped it up.

Your claim is based on? Not saying i don't believe you but i just want to know.

I much prefer Finecast. It makes building models much quicker and more fun for me.

I spent hours trying to put together my first metal Penitent Engine. I finally got it together, in a pose I like, and standing, resting on a paint tub. I come back the next day, figuring it's all dry and good to go, and I remove the paint tub, make sure it's fine by watching it for a few seconds, then go to my computer. A while later, I hear a weird noise from my work table, look over, and the poor thing's ankle joints had separated. I'm rubbish, utter rubbish at pinning, so I committed a terrible sin, and just used green stuff combined with loads of superglue, and built that thing with brute force and hours of frustration. My dominance was thus complete, but the model looks absolutely terrible, because it has a gakload of green stuff sticking out from every joint in horrendous, highly visible blobs.

I lack the patience to hold a metal mini together while the glue sets, only to have glued my fat, clumsy fingers to the miniature. I'm tired of my Sisters' backpacks and my Banshees' and Scorpions' arms falling off at random.

I got an Ork Painboy with Grot Orderly in Finecast for my birthday this year. I was optimistic about putting it together, as I'd heard that they went together easy as pie with a dab of superglue. I was not disappointed, as it took me about two minutes to assemble both miniatures, no greenstuff or drying accelerator required, even using GW's superglue.

I like lighter models. I don't feel as cautious about them, as they can probably survive a fall better than heavier ones - probably something to do with kinetic energy and physics. The more top-heavy ones are more likely to stay on their feet than metal ones. My metal Vanguard tip over all the time - and a couple of their arms have broken off despite the greenstuffing in the joints.

Thinking about it like this, I welcome Finecast. The minis go together easier, they don't fall over as much, they're less vulnerable to the inevitable fall to the table or floor from the hand, and I don't glue my fingers to each other as much.

I know a guy who got some Tzeentch Flamers. They came faceless. I now hate Finecast.

KilroyKiljoy wrote:I know a guy who got some Tzeentch Flamers. They came faceless. I now hate Finecast.

I know a guy who got an undercooked burger at Applebee's. I now hate Applebee's.

Brother SRM wrote:

KilroyKiljoy wrote:I know a guy who got some Tzeentch Flamers. They came faceless. I now hate Finecast.

I know a guy who got an undercooked burger at Applebee's. I now hate Applebee's.

Thats so mean... atleast stick to GW related -_-

I love Finecast(resin).

It's a far easier medium to work with than metal.
Does it have the same solidity? No.
That is not a bad thing, nor a good thing--it's a difference in the material.

In metal, even something as simple as this conversion I'm working on would have been a good twenty or thirty minutes more worth of work.

As it stands?
That was five freaking minutes of work.

The only problems that I have encountered with Finecast, however, stem from models which started life as metal. Some things do not transfer well. That Vlad was selected for conversion fodder for this reason, as his sword arm had the same issue that the metal did--the filligree on the sword's hilt was too intricate and does not translate well to being cast.

Could the prices be better?
Yeah. But so can prices for pretty much everything these days.

KilroyKiljoy wrote:I know a guy who got some Tzeentch Flamers. They came faceless. I now hate Finecast.

Tzeentch Flamers are like 66% face (or atleast 60% mouths). Did he just get a resin stick?

Iur_tae_mont wrote:

KilroyKiljoy wrote:I know a guy who got some Tzeentch Flamers. They came faceless. I now hate Finecast.

Tzeentch Flamers are like 66% face (or atleast 60% mouths). Did he just get a resin stick?

Thanks :'P now i have greentea ice cream in my nose.


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Kanluwen wrote:Stuff

Yes when its good , it is good, no doubt about that.

But as of now, its just a good "idea" that still need to be worked on.

If i lived next door to GW , i can risk the chance of getting failcasts with miscasts to trade for "potentially more workable product"

But as of now since there is like only 1 stupid GW in cities far away, many customers don't have the same luxury to take that risk.

Im sure anyone can easily understand where we are comming from.

This again!? Dont we have enough fine cast threads already?

I have yet to get a mangled finecast models, all those I have have been in perfect conditions.

I do miss the 'weight' of metal models, it's silly, but it almost feels like it adds 'gravitas' to an HQ to be heavier than the other guys in the squad.

That being said, I do not miss the constant chipping and repainting necessary with Metal models. If they ever release this guy in finecast: http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440264a&prodId=prod1130275 I will probably buy him just because my current one falls over constantly (He is so top heavy than even a quarter under the base has done very little for his balance) and has chipped the knuckles of 'power fist' so many time it's almost a post-game ritual to repaint it now. And yes, I use varnish ... it doesn't seem to matter for this guy, he falls down with enough impact to knock the varnish clean off.

I have yet to experience 'resin bending' and the chipping that comes with it that Lunahoud has mentionned. I don't know, I live in Canada, it's cold here, so leaving my minis in their transport case in the car isn't really a hazard, even during the summer

So really, to me it comes as vanity (liking the weight of the model) vs practicality (it doesn't really chip from my experience).


The one complain I have to aim at finecast is that it is extremely fething brittle. If you look at your model too hard, it will snap in half, I swear... you better have boiling water nearby if you want to change it's pose by even a micron... I have been able to 'bend' plastic model much more easily then finecast... which gives you the impression it's going to bend before snapping off like a bastard. That being said I'm not that big on conversion work myself, so it doesn't bother me that much.

Tarkand wrote:I have yet to experience 'resin bending' and the chipping that comes with it that Lunahoud has mentionned.


The one complain I have to aim at finecast is that it is extremely fething brittle. If you look at your model too hard, it will snap in half, I swear... you better have boiling water nearby if you want to change it's pose by even a micron... I have been able to 'bend' plastic model much more easily then finecast... which gives you the impression it's going to bend before snapping off like a bastard. That being said I'm not that big on conversion work myself, so it doesn't bother me that much.

Im confused so i highlighted the related parts of your quote in red :'P

When you say snap and brittle, its by bending till it snaps right?

LunaHound wrote:Im sure anyone can easily understand where we are comming from.

I can understand where you're coming from.

What I can't understand is why people who hate finecast make it their mission to try and make people who like it hate it. I'm not accusing you of it, it's just something that always comes up and makes me bite my tongue and go elsewhere. People who like finecast are happy to play with their toys. People who hate it want everyone to hate it, like they think if everyone hates it on the internet GW will go back to making metal models.

-Loki- wrote:

LunaHound wrote:Im sure anyone can easily understand where we are comming from.

I can understand where you're coming from.

What I can't understand is why people who hate finecast make it their mission to try and make people who like it hate it. I'm not accusing you of it, it's just something that always comes up and makes me bite my tongue and go elsewhere. People who like finecast are happy to play with their toys. People who hate it want everyone to hate it, like they think if everyone hates it on the internet GW will go back to making metal models.

This is my theory. There arn't more people that complains about it over the people that praises it.
However, perhaps each side are so against each other's claims that it just sticks out that much.

Like, in a wedding, everything was perfect. Music, food, guests, the bride and groom and everyone was so happy.
Then the last 5 seconds of the wedding the bride trip and falls down the stairs.
This will be the main thing everyone remembers.

The example of human brain, its selective preference in reacting to certain situations are quite interesting @_@

The only time it has snapped is when I have tried to make an odd bit fit into another odd bit by 'forcing it'. Ever since that accident, I've been more careful and despite my natural clumsiness I've managed to not break anything else.

On the KFF Big Mek ork - he's holding a remote detonator thingie... it has a cable that's supposed to connect to the back pack. The cable just didsn't go where it was supposed to go on that model, unless I was willing to glue the arm on the model in a very silly fashion. So I glued it properly and then attempted to 'bend' the cable so it would socket it so to speak... and it snapped in half. I've bended my fair share of little plastic bits and never really had that problem. Finecast just can't take focused pressure like plastic can, it doesn't have the same malleability... but this is an assembly/modeling issue, not a game play/transport issue - unless you play very different games with your models than I do (Typical game of 40k don't imply trying to bend model's arms/wargear/whatever to try and achieve a different position in my neck of the woods).

However, it's pretty good at resisting 'general trauma' - I have dropped that mekboy off a table and not only did it not come apart and scatter in 5 different directions like my metal Librarian model when the same thing happened to it, but it didn't even chip.

But you seem to imply that it can snap in your carrying case ... I don't know, I just don't see that happening. Unless you sit on your case, smash it against stuff or carry your entire army loosely in a toolbox with no foam or something...?

LunaHound wrote:

-Loki- wrote:

LunaHound wrote:Im sure anyone can easily understand where we are comming from.

I can understand where you're coming from.

What I can't understand is why people who hate finecast make it their mission to try and make people who like it hate it. I'm not accusing you of it, it's just something that always comes up and makes me bite my tongue and go elsewhere. People who like finecast are happy to play with their toys. People who hate it want everyone to hate it, like they think if everyone hates it on the internet GW will go back to making metal models.

This is my theory. There arn't more people that complains about it over the people that praises it.
However, perhaps each side are so against each other's claims that it just sticks out that much.

Like, in a wedding, everything was perfect. Music, food, guests, the bride and groom and everyone was so happy.
Then the last 5 seconds of the wedding the bride trip and falls down the stairs.
This will be the main thing everyone remembers.

The example of human brain, its selective preference in reacting to certain situations are quite interesting @_@

That's not what I'm saying. Using your analogy, the people who thought the wedding was ruined would be going up to everyone they see, whether they're talking about the wedding or not, or even if they'd not even been there, and telling them everything about it was terrible and they should hate it. Even if they like it, they're not allowed to, they must hate it. Didn't even go? Hate it. Liked the food? Hate it. Like the music, and danced with a hot bridesmaid? You're not allowed to enjoy that. hate it.

That's what people who hate finecast are like.