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**Brother Coa**

Just read it and I don't know what to say. To me it seems that threat from Necrons will not be so big after all. Now they seems more like the Tau then Tyranids.
What is your opinion? ( And yes, Blood Angels/Necron alliance was true alliance since they now have civilizations and every tomb world is empire for itself. They even trade with other races )

**iproxtaco**

Read the codex first please. All we have are small snippets. And no, it was not a true 'alliance'.

**daveNYC**

I think he means 'alliance' in the sense that it was two forces working together and then both sides rationally deciding to part ways without further bloodshed.

Something that makes sense given what we've seen of the new fluff, but is straight pants-on-head if the Necrons were still the immortal omnicidal robots of old.

**Brother Coa**

iproxtaco wrote:Read the codex first please. All we have are small snippets. And no, it was not a true 'alliance'.

Uh....codex is coming out 5'th November..this is leaked fluff information...And according to rumors it is true alliance since Necrons now are allying with other races for their own personal goals...

**iproxtaco**

Except, they didn't work together. All they did was stop fighting each other to fight a common enemy. There was no team-work or coordination between the two forces. It was only after they defeated the Tyranids that they parted ways to prevent from being destroyed. It was not a matter of respect or friendship, Dante knew he and his forces would be better off alive to fight another day than dead on an anonymous battlefield achieving nothing.

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Brother Coa wrote:
iproxtaco wrote:Read the codex first please. All we have are small snippets. And no, it was not a true 'alliance'.

Uh....codex is coming out 5'th November..this is leaked fluff information...And according to rumors it is true alliance since Necrons now are allying with other races for their own personal goals...

Read the the codex please. ALL WE HAVE ARE SMALL SNIPPETS.
And according to rumours, the fluff remains exactly the same. Two sides stop fighting to ensure their own survival. Nothing changes.

**Void__Dragon**

According to new fluff rumors the Necrons now actually trade with other races.

... On another note, I just read Black Crusade, which came out not even a month ago. Noticed it had Necrons in it. I thought that was kewl.

Read some of the fluff. I couldn't help but notice that the C'tan are apparently in charge.

I'm personally taking that as a sign that the rumors may be wrong. Of course it could also be that GW just doesn't give a gak about what FFG does, and didn't bother to tell them they were retconning the gak out of the Necrons.

**Harriticus**

You could make an argument that the BA-Necron fight against the Tyranids wasn't a true alliance under the old Codex. Not anymore though, Necrons now have a sense of honor and will spare those they consider worthy opponents. They trade with other races, there's basically no more C'tan, and they're territorial empires.

Necrons have been dethroned as an uncompromising unstoppable Galactic threat alongside the Tyranids. Really it's incredible how utterly destroyed they were in the fluff, great new models and a more varied army aside. Now let us just pray the 6th Ed. Tyranid dex doesn't make them have a sense of honor and market economy....

**Blood_Raven**

6th edition Tyranids will state they just want hugs but their claws end up ripping things to shreds by accident. They love you really.

**-Loki-**

Brother Coa wrote:
iproxtaco wrote:Read the codex first please. All we have are small snippets. And no, it was not a true 'alliance'.

Uh....codex is coming out 5'th November

That was his point. Arguing the fluff based on some opinions of a few who have seen it is sheer stupidity, even considering that we're arguing about 40k fluff. Wait for the book, argue then.

**bombboy1252**

*gasp* you mean something is changing in the 40k universe.....How terrible..................

**Kanluwen**

What the heck is a Necon?

**-Loki-**

People shocked at the change in direction for the fluff should go read the 2nd edition Tyranid codex.

**Void__Dragon**

bombboy1252 wrote:*gasp* you mean something is changing in the 40k universe.....How terrible..................

You're under the impression change is inherently good.

It's not, and opinions on varying changes are subjective.

**Ironsight**

Harriticus wrote:Necrons now have a sense of honor and will spare those they consider worthy opponents.

Nah, that's just that one senile Necron Lord character. The rest of the Lords are out for themselves.

**Lobokai**

I would love something less linear than the Necrons of 3rd edition... and I long ago called variation/competition within the Necrons, more hopefully than certainly... and would love for that to play out

**Thunder555**

If the rumors are true.. then Necrons will become just an another race among others. Who needs individuality anyways?

**blazinpsycho&typhooni**

Kanluwen wrote:What the heck is a Necon?

i dunno, some emo metal skellingtons that shoot death rays, and WONT FRIGGEN DIE

**AustonT**

iproxtaco wrote:Except, they didn't work together. All they did was stop fighting each other to fight a common enemy. There was no team-work or coordination between the two forces. It was only after they defeated the Tyranids that they parted ways to prevent from being destroyed. It was not a matter of respect or friendship, Dante knew he and his forces would be better off alive to fight another day than dead on an anonymous battlefield achieving nothing.

Man the second print run mist have a BUNCH of fixed errata in the fluff. Can you point out the page numbers or post the text where it specifically says there was no team work or coordination between the BAs and Necs?
No? Then /brofist.
Because I choose to interpret that alliance, really did mea alliance. And that "final battle" implied battles before that were fought, wherein the BA and Necs used a coordinated strategy and in fact held hands in a red and steel lovemesh of awesomeness.
My interpretation is as equally supported by the actual fluff as yours.

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Eagerly awaiting the Necron codex, where if this particular issue is not resolved. Mat Ward will be the target of endless nerdrage.

**Lord Rogukiel**

I hate this fluff so much already. It's fething ridiculous. Necrons with a sense of market economy?

Oh, and every necron lord is out for himself but the C'tan seem to controlling everything. Now that just doesn't make any sense. If they're controlling everything, then why would they make every necron lord an individualistic git?

And working with living races just goes against all the fluff ever written in any edition about necrons. Who wrote this crap?

**tedurur**

Lord Rogukiel wrote:I hate this fluff so much already. It's fething ridiculous. Necrons with a sense of market economy?

Oh, and every necron lord is out for himself but the C'tan seem to controlling everything. Now that just doesn't make any sense. If they're controlling everything, then why would they make every necron lord an individualistic git?

And working with living races just goes against all the fluff ever written in any edition about necrons. Who wrote this crap?

The Ctan controlls nothing. They are all pretty much dead, killed by the Necrons and now kept in interdimensional prisons. Sometimes the Necrons takes out their pet Ctan to help them in a battle but really, the CTan are the Necrons bitches these days

**Lord Rogukiel**

tedurur wrote:
Lord Rogukiel wrote:I hate this fluff so much already. It's fething ridiculous. Necrons with a sense of market economy?

Oh, and every necron lord is out for himself but the C'tan seem to controlling everything. Now that just doesn't make any sense. If they're controlling everything, then why would they make every necron lord an individualistic git?

And working with living races just goes against all the fluff ever written in any edition about necrons. Who wrote this crap?

The Ctan controlls nothing. They are all pretty much dead, killed by the Necrons and now kept in interdimensional prisons. Sometimes the Necrons takes out their pet Ctan to help them in a battle but really, the CTan are the Necrons bitches these days

Gah. This fluff is still terrible. I'm going to buy the new models and play by the old fluff... meh

**SagesStone**

It's kind of bad, from the small snippets around it sounds like they wanted to stop being like the Tyranids and decided they'd rather try to be Dark Eldar with a dash of Tomb Kings in space.

**Ronin**

Guys, chill. Codex aint even out yet, and you're already blowing this out of proportions.

It's just the one Necron empire that still believes in honour and glory. It's just the one Necron empire that conducts trade with other races. It's just the one Necron empire that wants hugs and kisses for all.

But that's all rumours cause the codex is still not even out, leaked or not.

Regardless, your Necrons are still the soulless, killing machines they've always been. If you dont like their new personalities, pretend your Necron Empire had their minds wiped or corrupted. According to the rumours, there's fluff support for that as well.

So chill, and wait. Like the Necrons you all wish you still had.

**Ironsight**

Lord Rogukiel wrote:
I hate this fluff so much already. It's fething ridiculous. Necrons with a sense of market economy?

Don't play dumb. If the Necrons are trading technology, its obviously not for money. It's more likely for favors and information. Stuff like that.

Lord Rogukiel wrote:
Oh, and every necron lord is out for himself but the C'tan seem to controlling everything. Now that just doesn't make any sense. If they're controlling everything, then why would they make every necron lord an individualistic git?

Only a few extremely unfortunate Necrons are still under the control of the C'tan. The Necrons splintered the star gods before they went into hibernation. And Necron Lords have shown individuality before.

Lord Rogukiel wrote:
And working with living races just goes against all the fluff ever written in any edition about necrons.

The only people who liked the Necrons lore were Necron fans (Emperor soothe their rage). I sympathize with people like Void_Dragon who loved to Necrons for what they were, but I personally see this as an improvement.

Lord Rogukiel wrote:
Who wrote this crap?

Matthew Ward. You haven't heard already from the baying?

Lord Rogukiel wrote:
Gah. This fluff is still terrible. I'm going to buy the new models and play by the old fluff... meh

Certainly doable. I've heard there are still Necron tombs under the control of C'tan fragments, and as Ronin said, there are tombs which have been reduced to mindless machines controlled by protocol.

**Lord Rogukiel**

Ironsight wrote:
Lord Rogukiel wrote:
And working with living races just goes against all the fluff ever written in any edition about necrons.

The only people who liked the Necrons lore were Necron fans (Emperor soothe their rage). I sympathize with people like Void_Dragon who loved to Necrons for what they were, but I personally see this as an improvement.

Lord Rogukiel wrote:
Who wrote this crap?

Matthew Ward. You haven't heard already from the baying?

I loved the previous necron fluff. It was one of the main reasons why I even started this hobby.

Ward, I should have guessed.

**iDevour**

-Loki- wrote:People shocked at the change in direction for the fluff should go read the 2nd edition Tyranid codex.

I started playing with the 3rd edition -.-
What change was THAT radical? I mean, if the rumour are true..bleh
First they changed the Necrons from this Deus Ex Machina Horror to a playable race and killed the myth around them, and now this..
Emperor be damned, i hope those rumours are just rumours, and nothing of this gak will be put in there...

On the other hand, Uriel Ventris just went from "chasing away a GOD" to "chasing away a pet"..kinda sad xD

**Melissia**

I like the new fluff. I actually might consider starting a 'cron army with lore like this.

These crons? They have personality and flavor. I wish they had stuck more with the old flavor a bit visually speaking ,but I can dig the new stuff, especially since it's easy to modify plastic models anyway.

**Deathly Angel**

Void__Dragon wrote:According to new fluff rumors the Necrons now actually trade with other races.

... On another note, I just read Black Crusade, which came out not even a month ago. Noticed it had Necrons in it. I thought that was kewl.

Read some of the fluff. I couldn't help but notice that the C'tan are apparently in charge.

I'm personally taking that as a sign that the rumors may be wrong. Of course it could also be that GW just doesn't give a gak about what FFG does, and didn't bother to tell them they were retconning the gak out of the Necrons.

I choose not to believe the rumours of this new direction in the background, on the basis that they are rumours and ones that I really do not like. It's good to see a little bit of hope that the Necrons might still be what actually defines them in the fluff. Instead of repeating everything I said before in the compilation thread, I'll just quote my post:

The Necrons are also alien in that they are supposed to be the ultimate embodiment of order. Having individual Necron empires and Lords with different motivations contridicts the entire purpose of the race. If this rumour turns out to be true (which I choose not to believe) they will not be that. They will not be uniform, they will not be unified. This is actually more on par to Chaos. The necrons will lose that aspect that makes them what they are in the background. Absolute, unadulterated, oppresssive order in its purest form to the point of no free will is very chilling and frightening to me, and the Necrons could be just as interesting by expanding on this existing background.

TBH, all this change would still be okay with me if they leave the C'tan where they've always been; the Star Gods of the galaxy's dawn, preying on these lesser infant races with their legions of undead. The C'tan don't really have to be retconned for this change. Overlords can still have their own personalities but their free will and allegiance ultimately belongs to the Star Gods. I understand with these rumours that there still are some Lords like this, but that approach feels too ragtag and chaotic, and again is best done for the minions of Chaos. A good reason for Necrons to fight each other might be their allegances to different C'tan, as they were bitter rivals and ended eating each other anyway, so it would make a lot of sense if their servants warred against one another for their gods.

If this rumoured new direction does turn out to be true in the end, I might just ignore the new fluff and pretend it never happened. It would be bearable though if GW do not touch the C'tan. Instead of copying Khaine, couldn't their models just be what they did in DoW? And why is it so necessary for the Necrons to enslave their own gods for them be more interesting characters? The price for their reincarnation was their ultimate free will, their liberation also their slavery. This ironic tragedy is what makes their story so compelling.

**Russ Mandarin**

The Necrons are now afraid of the Eldar too

**Lord Rogukiel**

Deathly Angel wrote:If this rumoured new direction does turn out to be true in the end, I might just ignore the new fluff and pretend it never happened. It would be bearable though if GW do not touch the C'tan. Instead of copying Khaine, couldn't their models just be what they did in DoW?

I'm doing the same. I started the hobby by getting into necrons. I'm going to keep to the old fluff