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Harriticus wrote:

The new fluff puts them on the forces of order in the Galaxy alongside the Imperium, Tau, Eldar. The Tyranids/Orks/Dark Eldar/Chaos are the forces of disorder.

So 6th is order vs disorder.....
All welcome our ne (w) crons

But basically, the necrons and science and logic...they never were on the side of disorder.

English Assassin wrote:I shall withhold judgement until I read the Codex, but I have to say I'm not impressed so far. Though the Necrons' concept encompasses some decent ideas, its execution has always looked clumsy and tacked-on, and these retcons aren't going to change that.

Me too. Want to read the fluff myself first.
The concepts in 5th aren't bad, but the execution regularly sucks.

DeffDred wrote: Clearly the Necrons are the coolest thing ever!

This codex will be awesome. Maybe the Necrons will use some tech to help the Emperor get back on his feet.

Dragon and Emperor brofist. Nice.

fixed it.

Heard of the new technical help-line? 1-1-1 n-e-c-r-o-n
They fix everything , for a price.
Failing golden toilets?

Actually given what the Necrons are like now, I see GW has a loophole to fix the Golden Throne's failings. Necrons could be used to fix it, the Emperor is worthy of respect after all.

Though the problem now is the Imperium would never accept that help now I guess.

Necronia is the 40K equivalent of China
Now they have levelled up and have embraced capitalism.

Crons will be making all the Bolters for the Imperium and now can afford to go shopping.
That's why the Al Fayed One's are walking funny, they are looking for bargains in the Harrod's January Sale's.

I'd rather see Trezyn loot it for his collection, and the imperium fall into civil war

Ward has created a blag for his Grey Knights to be doing the impossible though. They are using Necron tech traded for Draizo Action figures (with New Heart Carving Action Move)

(batteries not included, entering the Warp makes all warranties void)

so in the end it really went like this:

There is no reason to post that image yet again! Thanks! ~Manchu

what happened to the fluff we all loved?

1hadhq wrote:But basically, the necrons and science and logic...they never were on the side of disorder.

I agree with this.

They were order in its purest form. The absence of free will, of life itself.

flota wrote:so in the end it really went like this:
what happened to the fluff we all loved?

If you are going to cite something, be correct in citing.

That is NOT how it went. That has nothing whatsofethingever to do with how it went. It's an asinine, childish image that gets posted every freaking day upon this forum by people who think they're clever.

It was funny the first time. You're now in the realm of not just beating the dead horse, you're mounting it and trying to ride it to the shop because you think it's still alive.

It's not funny, and it hasn't been funny or witty or clever for almost two years now.

As a Necron fan, I really hate that image as well.

Not because of the fluff that inspired it, but because, as Kanluwen said, it's posted all the fething time whenever Necrons or Blood Angels are brought up. Or when Ward is brought up in general.

No, it's just brought up whenever someone wants to whine about GW these days.

They act as if these kinds of silly things did not happen before. I've said, multiple times now, that since the Eye of Terror book the Necrons have been an evolving concept.

They did not attack Space Marine or Imperial Guard or Inquisitorial forces during the fluff surrounding that event, unless they got in the way. There's been precedent since the days of Andy Chambers, who wrote the fricking fluff which established the precedent.

I've heard the Necrons are going to have a masseuse character to rub high grade oill onto crons suffering from metal fatigue. It is said she will have some buffing abilities.

Kanluwen wrote:No, it's just brought up whenever someone wants to whine about GW these days.

They act as if these kinds of silly things did not happen before. I've said, multiple times now, that since the Eye of Terror book the Necrons have been an evolving concept.

They did not attack Space Marine or Imperial Guard or Inquisitorial forces during the fluff surrounding that event, unless they got in the way. There's been precedent since the days of Andy Chambers, who wrote the fricking fluff which established the precedent.

Yeah, the piece is blown out of proportion. Necrons fighting a larger force and ignoring a smaller one is reasonable enough. And while Dante not wanting to fight a xenos he had just allied with could be considered stupid, or even borderline heretical, he is not the only chapter master to of done so. Calgar allowed the Tau he was fighting to evacuate before he destroyed a Necron Tomb World that they just got done fighting off.

It's not as ridiculous as the internet believes.

Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:Necronia is the 40K equivalent of China
Now they have levelled up and have embraced capitalism.

Crons will be making all the Bolters for the Imperium and now can afford to go shopping.
That's why the Al Fayed One's are walking funny, they are looking for bargains in the Harrod's January Sale's.

I am glad I'm not the only one who thought the Necron Lords' Egyptian bling looked a bit Al-Fayed.

Harriticus wrote:Actually given what the Necrons are like now, I see GW has a loophole to fix the Golden Throne's failings. Necrons could be used to fix it, the Emperor is worthy of respect after all.

Though the problem now is the Imperium would never accept that help now I guess.

The Golden Throne is tech to do with the Warp. The Necrons still don't like the Warp, and can't fathom it. Loophole closed.

Melissia wrote:I like the new fluff. I actually might consider starting a 'cron army with lore like this.

These crons? They have personality and flavor. I wish they had stuck more with the old flavor a bit visually speaking ,but I can dig the new stuff, especially since it's easy to modify plastic models anyway.

This...this...a million times this...

Thanks Melissia for reading my mind......

Randomonioum wrote:To be honest, I'll be glad whatever we get for the necrons. I mean, I love the buggers, but having them be the UNSTOPPABLE race of UNSTOPPABLE robots UNSTOPPABLY being UNSTOPPABLE while they UNSTOPPABLY carry out mysterious and UNSTOPPABLE plans, well, it started to grate after a while.

Exactly. Fluff like that is reserved for space marines.

The notion that the Necrons were pushed as being more unstoppable overall (Not on a personal level) than other factions is largely a myth.

They were presented as no more implacable on a whole than the Tyranids, Chaos, or the Orks.

Personally I'd rather not have my favorite faction's themes be completely thrown away and discarded for something new. But to each his own.

Void__Dragon wrote:

1hadhq wrote:But basically, the necrons and science and logic...they never were on the side of disorder.

I agree with this.

They were order in its purest form. The absence of free will, of life itself.

Really I meant order vs disorder more as in which factions seek the existence of civilized to semi-civilized functioning societies. I mean while the Imperium is bad, it doesn't shake a stick at what people go through on a Daemon World and is much more stable then any Ork world. Ork worlds are basically GTA-IV Multiplayer. The Necrons wanted to end all life, and this really was a dramatic shakeup of the status quo and of the concept of societies itself. It's why I put them in the pure villain category along with the Chaos/Ork/DE/Tyranids.

Now though the Necrons are a civilization and series of nations, which is why I think they should be put in the same category as the Imperium/Tau/Eldar and are coming off more as misunderstood. In the current fluff the Imperium really is probably responsible for conflict with the Necrons or were just in the wrong place at the wrong time (like Eldar attacks on the Imperium) whereas before the Necrons were seeking Mankinds destruction.

I want the necrons to be awesome. I want them to destroy the C'tan...

Asherian Command wrote:I want the necrons to be awesome. I want them to destroy the C'tan...

That can't be possible without nerfing the C'tan though. It doesn't make the Necrons look good, it makes the C'tan look weak.

A single C'tan can destroy solar systems on a whim, create civilizations under their own power, bend the fabric of time and space and transmute matter on an atomic level.

If the Necrons were capable of destroying an entire race of such beings, that would make them far and away the most powerful faction in the setting.

So for this to make sense, the C'tan have to be completely neutered.

Well according to these rumors...after they finished with the Old Ones Necrons destroyed the C'Tan. Only shards of them remained across the galaxy.

Brother Coa wrote:Well according to these rumors...after they finished with the Old Ones Necrons destroyed the C'Tan. Only shards of them remained across the galaxy.

Broken into Shards =/= destroyed

The C'tan can never be destroyed, they can only be weakened.
Why do you think the Necrons are so anxious in finding them all?

So the C'tan can't reassemble.

I really don't think that necrons should be trading or allying. I thought they were mindless soulless race that destroys everything?

mr.ultramarine wrote: I really don't think that necrons should be trading or allying. I thought they were mindless soulless race that destroys everything?

New fluff...

But we already have that, in Tyranids.

And that's the most boring part of Tyranids...

mr.ultramarine wrote: I really don't think that necrons should be trading or allying. I thought they were mindless soulless race that destroys everything?

They're not, really.

The Tyranids want to eat the galaxy.

The Necrons were going to turn the galaxy into an eternal fast-food restaurant for their gods.

The Tyranids are absolute disorder, spreading and consuming all.

The Necrons are absolute order, the stillness of the Void.

The similarity was intentional, IMO, so that they could be two sides of the same coin.

If you want your Necrons to be soulless killing machines doing the bidding of their Ct'an master, then do it. Now they have a shard of the master. Just say they're reclaiming all the shards so they can bring him back. There's nothing stopping you doing that.

The fact that the entire race is not doing this makes your army no different. Your armies fluff can still be about necrons that are just like that. However, this opens the door, and makes them less Star Trek-villainy, where the entire bad race is commited to the one goal. Now they're more like an actual race, so people who want to do something different can do it. Want Necrons that trade with humans? Do it. Want Necrons that want to bring back the glory of the old days? Do it.

-Loki- wrote:If you want your Necrons to be soulless killing machines doing the bidding of their Ct'an master, then do it. Now they have a shard of the master. Just say they're reclaiming all the shards so they can bring him back. There's nothing stopping you doing that.

The fact that the entire race is not doing this makes your army no different. Your armies fluff can still be about necrons that are just like that. However, this opens the door, and makes them less Star Trek-villainy, where the entire bad race is commited to the one goal. Now they're more like an actual race, so people who want to do something different can do it. Want Necrons that trade with humans? Do it. Want Necrons that want to bring back the glory of the old days? Do it.

See here's the the thing: I don't care about the tabletop as much as I do the background.

I know I am very much a minority in that opinion(And as such am probably not really the audience 40k cares about when making the codices), but I prefer reading about the background, and would like to get around to playing the FFG RPGs. I find the tabletop to be a fairly poor outlet for crafting a story, your own "fluff" if you will. That's just how I feel.

And now every Necron appearance in BL or whatever after this codex hits the shelves will be influenced by the fluff in the codex.

I don't fault anyone for having a different opinion than mine, or likes the new fluff, but nor am I obligated to like the fluff in the Necron codex.

Also, I'm still much too butthurt about the C'tan being neutered and made into the new Khaine of the setting. Nor do I really think some of the changes were necessary to do what they wanted to do. The overall theme is gone. IMO, based on the rumors, the new Necrons are Necrons in name only.

No, they just teamed up to survive.

Void__Dragon wrote:

-Loki- wrote:If you want your Necrons to be soulless killing machines doing the bidding of their Ct'an master, then do it. Now they have a shard of the master. Just say they're reclaiming all the shards so they can bring him back. There's nothing stopping you doing that.

The fact that the entire race is not doing this makes your army no different. Your armies fluff can still be about necrons that are just like that. However, this opens the door, and makes them less Star Trek-villainy, where the entire bad race is commited to the one goal. Now they're more like an actual race, so people who want to do something different can do it. Want Necrons that trade with humans? Do it. Want Necrons that want to bring back the glory of the old days? Do it.

See here's the the thing: I don't care about the tabletop as much as I do the background.

I know I am very much a minority in that opinion(And as such am probably not really the audience 40k cares about when making the codices), but I prefer reading about the background, and would like to get around to playing the FFG RPGs. I find the tabletop to be a fairly poor outlet for crafting a story, your own "fluff" if you will. That's just how I feel.

And now every Necron appearance in BL or whatever after this codex hits the shelves will be influenced by the fluff in the codex.

I don't fault anyone for having a different opinion than mine, or likes the new fluff, but nor am I obligated to like the fluff in the Necron codex.

Also, I'm still much too butthurt about the C'tan being neutered and made into the new Khaine of the setting. Nor do I really think some of the changes were necessary to do what they wanted to do. The overall theme is gone. IMO, based on the rumors, the new Necrons are Necrons in name only.

Yeah that's something a lot of people claiming that this gave the Necrons more "identity" and made them more separate from the Tyranids don't really seem to get. Yeah, Necrons aren't like Tyranids at all anymore whereas they were similar in many respects before (ultimate killing machine baddies out to end all life). But now instead of being like the Tyranids, the Necrons now resemble the Craftworld Eldar the most and I think this is done deliberately, even going down to the fate of the C'tan or what have you.

A.) They're mostly seeking to hold onto their old dying empire
B.) Will fight the Imperium if encroached upon, but also will trade/reason/work with other factions when faced with a greater threat
C.) Old ancient race with advanced technology and a history with the Old Ones
D.) Split up into self-governing realms

Thus the Necrons didn't really move away from being like any other race. They're not Tyranids anymore, but now they're just scarier looking Eldar. Dark Eldar come off as a bigger threat to the Imperium now, which is ironic as last week people put the Necrons in league with the Tyranids as the biggest threat to the galaxy.

Part of the grimdark of 40k was that mankind is facing unstoppable oblivion. This was not just because of the constant wars with the Orks or Chaos, but also because these new radical threats like the Tyranids and Necrons were emerging. Now, really the only threat to mankinds survival is the Tyranids.

Harriticus wrote:Yeah that's something a lot of people claiming that this gave the Necrons more "identity" and made them more separate from the Tyranids don't really seem to get. Yeah, Necrons aren't like Tyranids at all anymore whereas they were similar in many respects before (ultimate killing machine baddies out to end all life). But now instead of being like the Tyranids, the Necrons now resemble the Craftworld Eldar the most and I think this is done deliberately, even going down to the fate of the C'tan or what have you.

Now that you mention it, you have a point.

Necrons are now "Even older Eldar that are robots."

Lol...

Oh, I guess they are different in that they are masters of the material sciences, rather than the Immaterial.