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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/10/18 07:41:50
Subject: Pre-Heresy Sanguinius rules (proposed)
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Frenzied Berserker Terminator
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Sanguinius, The Primarch 300pts
WS 9 BS 5 S 5 T 5 W 4 I 6 A 5 LD 10 SV 2+2/4+
Wargear:
Krak Grenades
Frag Grenades
Wings of Sanguinius
Blood Halo
Wargear Options:
Must be armed with 1 of the following:
Spear of Telesto free +30pts
Blade Encarmine free +40pts
Glaive of Blood free +40pts
May be armed with 1 of the following (If not armed with the Glaive of Blood.):
Infernus Bolter free +10pts
Purger of the Unclean +30pts
Must be equipped with 1 of the following:
Armour of The Angels +40pts
Sacred Armour of Baal +40pts
Special Rules:
Bloodsate
Eternal Warrior
Independant Character
Inspiring
Explanations:
Wings of Sanguinius:
Bit obvious, the big flappy things on his back.
Makes Sanguinius jump infantry.
Blood Halo:
Sanguinius' own Iron Halo. It has gotten him through many a tough encounter.
Infers 4+ Invulnerable save.
Spear of Telesto:
Master-crafted power weapon.
Once per shooting phase may be used with the following profile:
Range: Template* S: 5 AP: 3 Type: Assault 1
*The template caused by the Spear of Telesto does not harm those of the Blood Angel geneseed.
Blade Encarmine:
Master-Crafted Force Weapon.
Infers the wielder with +d3 attacks per assault phase and Furious Charge.
Glaive of Blood:
2 handed Master-Crafted Force Weapon.
Infers +d6 attacks opun the wielder. However they have the "always strikes last" rule.
Infernus Bolter:
Range: 24" S: 8 AP: 3 Type: Heavy 2 Gets Hot!
A increased version of the Infernus Pistol. Only one was ever made.
Purger of the Unclean:
Range: 12" S: 4* AP: 5* Type: Pistol
*Against targets from the Chaos Daemons or Chaos Space Marine codexes, the strength of the weapon becomes 8 and AP because 3.
Armour of the Angels:
This armour is the armour that Sanguinius fought his final battle against Horus in, it is Gold in colour.
It infers a +2 armour save apon its wearer. It also infers Furious Charge apon the wearer and his unit.
Sacred Armour of Baal:
This armour was given to Sanguinius shortly before the Seige of Terra. It is Red in colour.
Infers a +2 armour save apon the wearer. It also Infers a 2+ Invulnerable save, until it is failed.
Bloodsate:
During Sanguinius' life, he always stopped the Blood Angels from their bloodlusts.
In an army with Sanguinius, Death Company and Death Company Dreadnoughts are not allowed.
What do you guys think??
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Veteran Sergeant wrote:In the grim darkness of the far future, the guy with a rifle is the weakest man on the battlefield, left to quake in terror, hoping the two or three shots he gets do the job before somebody runs screaming across the battlefield to hit him with an energized stick.
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/440996.page
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/10/18 08:16:25
Subject: Pre-Heresy Sanguinius rules (proposed)
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Wight Lord with the Sword of Kings
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Awsome.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/10/18 08:35:58
Subject: Re:Pre-Heresy Sanguinius rules (proposed)
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Frenzied Berserker Terminator
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Cheers bro. What do you reckon about the points cost, etc?
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Veteran Sergeant wrote:In the grim darkness of the far future, the guy with a rifle is the weakest man on the battlefield, left to quake in terror, hoping the two or three shots he gets do the job before somebody runs screaming across the battlefield to hit him with an energized stick.
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/440996.page
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/10/18 13:16:49
Subject: Re:Pre-Heresy Sanguinius rules (proposed)
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Regular Dakkanaut
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Unorthodx use of options aside, you're being quite modest with this set of rules for Sanguinius. Here's my suggestions: Profile At least make him as good in this category as Mephiston. S6/T6/W5 is often considered typical for a Primarch anyway. What I wouldn't recommendation for every Primarch is I7, but I don't think it wouldn't go amiss on ole' Sang either. Psychic Powers Considering he can wield a Force Weapon does he have any others BA powers? Special Rules How would The Red Thirst special rule be affected by this? Maybe instead marines in the same army would be able to choose whether to pass or fail moral tests instead like the God of War/Iron Will abilities instead... Wargear Blood Halo - There's little point to differentiating this from a normal Iron Halo. Just feels like another excuse to put use the 'Blood' prefix.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/10/18 13:18:37
Subject: Pre-Heresy Sanguinius rules (proposed)
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Automated Rubric Marine of Tzeentch
Milwaukee, Wisconsin
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I would say 325-1o 350 over 300. I would also make the spear of Telesto a singing spear which is AP2, and take away the Infernus bolter(Dropping back down to 300) I would take away the Glaive of blood, and the purging pistol, and add a "Primarch" Special Rule with fleet, acute senses, and furious charge (and take away both random furious charge armour abilities, but still allow it to the squad, more for clarity than losing it) Automatically Appended Next Post: Oh, and fearless.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/10/18 21:34:20
Subject: Re:Pre-Heresy Sanguinius rules (proposed)
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Frenzied Berserker Terminator
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Firstly, thanks for your input guys.
What does the red thirst do exactly? Im not to familiar with the BA codex.
I think that "Primarch" special rule is a bit over powered, and I didnt give him fearless because you'd think a Primarch wound know when to stay and when to run. That made me realise he should have either Hit and Run or a special rule where he can "tactically retreat" from combat.
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Veteran Sergeant wrote:In the grim darkness of the far future, the guy with a rifle is the weakest man on the battlefield, left to quake in terror, hoping the two or three shots he gets do the job before somebody runs screaming across the battlefield to hit him with an energized stick.
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/440996.page
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/10/19 01:23:51
Subject: Re:Pre-Heresy Sanguinius rules (proposed)
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Fixture of Dakka
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JohnnoM wrote:
What does the red thirst do exactly? Im not to familiar with the BA codex.
Then perhaps this task falls outside your area of expertise and should be abandoned.
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"'players must agree how they are going to select their armies, and if any restrictions apply to the number and type of models they can use."
This is an actual rule in the actual rulebook. Quit whining about how you can imagine someone's army touching you in a bad place and play by the actual rules.
Freelance Ontologist
When people ask, "What's the point in understanding everything?" they've just disqualified themselves from using questions and should disappear in a puff of paradox. But they don't understand and just continue existing, which are also their only two strategies for life. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/10/19 02:42:19
Subject: Pre-Heresy Sanguinius rules (proposed)
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Boosting Black Templar Biker
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If I am not mistaken he was able to read the future somewhat. I would love to see this written into his rules as I saw it as one of his greatest powers.
Would be cool to throw in a rule somewhat like Brother Corbulos but more powerful, maybe reroll one dice per game turn or something.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/10/19 10:19:05
Subject: Pre-Heresy Sanguinius rules (proposed)
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Rifleman Grey Knight Venerable Dreadnought
Realm of Hobby
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Poo.
also, only 300pts?
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 MikZor wrote:
We can't help that american D&D is pretty much daily life for us (Aussies)
Walking to shops, "i'll take a short cut through this bush", random encounter! Lizard with no legs.....
I kid  Since i avoid bushlands that is
But we're not that bad... are we?  |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/10/19 16:38:24
Subject: Re:Pre-Heresy Sanguinius rules (proposed)
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Ultramarine Land Raider Pilot on Cruise Control
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The statline actually looks fine. I did a set of primarch rules back in the day, and I like giving primarchs T5. The primarchs were like humanity perfected, infused with warp power. Like the Emperor's own daemon princes, but still flesh and bone. Their durability didn't come from monstrous size or thick skin or chitinous plates, it was more of a supernatural vitality. They're demi-gods, not monstrous creatures.
Give him Eternal Warrior and Feel No Pain. All primarchs should also have a 5+ or even 4+ invulnerable, not from any wargear, but their own "aura" so to speak, like a daemon's invulnerable save.
Most important, all the primarchs had supernaturally rapid healing. In "First Heretic", Lorgar gets gutted on the field of battle by Corax's lightning claws, and not only survives, but can feel himself knitting back together on the spot. 4 Wounds sounds good, and give him a special rule where he regains 1 lost wound at the end of every turn on a roll of a 6 or something.
The way I see it, the primarchs were frequently wounded in combat, sometimes severely, but always shrugged it off and continued the fight. The deaths/near deaths we have details of are all beheadings (Curze, Manus) or were carried out with the anathame (Horus, Guilliman) that specifically stopped a primarch's healing abilities. Other than that the primarchs are frequently shot, stabbed, have bones broken, or are nearly disemboweled, and keep going like freaking Wolverine.
Moving on, Sanguinius did possess limited visions of the future. Let the player redeploy D3 units after both sides have set up, but before the game starts.
I won't comment much on the weapon options, other than to say simple is better - give him a few iconic weapons and leave it at that.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/05/14 19:13:35
Subject: Pre-Heresy Sanguinius rules (proposed)
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Fresh-Faced New User
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He has a worse save than his bodyguard......
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/05/14 19:18:13
Subject: Pre-Heresy Sanguinius rules (proposed)
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Fixture of Dakka
Temple Prime
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This thread was made before the FW Horus Heresy series told us of what the Primarchs should look like on the tabletop.
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Midnightdeathblade wrote:Think of a daemon incursion like a fart you don't quite trust... you could either toot a little puff of air, bellow a great effluvium, or utterly sh*t your pants and cry as it floods down your leg.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/05/15 12:35:25
Subject: Pre-Heresy Sanguinius rules (proposed)
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Boom! Leman Russ Commander
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This thread is... three? years old. It's not even from this edition of 40k.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/05/15 12:36:27
Subject: Re:Pre-Heresy Sanguinius rules (proposed)
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[DCM]
Et In Arcadia Ego
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Thread is being locked due to thread necromancy.
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