Rapid Fire Weapons: Enough Bullets?

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**Hellwolf**

Rapid Fire weapons (most commonly Boltguns) can fire 1 shot at their maximum range and 2 shots at 12" range, I believe. I was thinking whether it would be more fitting if you could fire 1 at max range, 2 at half, 4 at quarter and 8 at eighth range. This was just a crazy idea and perhaps it should be torn apart instantly. I was just wondering what the Dakka Community thought.

**Chrysis**

It would overpower Rapid Fire weapons to an amazing degree. A single Guardsman with a Plasmagun would kill 4 of a 5 man Terminator squad with a single round of shooting.

Also you want this in the Proposed Rules section.

**DeathReaper**

The rule would see very little use.

usually you only get one round of shooting off at 12" or less. then you are assaulted. Rarely is this shot within 6", and its never from within 3".

**motyak**

You could always change it so you could run and then rapid fire (according to the normal rules). That way you are more likely to be able to rapid fire fleeting enemies/get a turn of rapid fire in before you get shot too bad? I dunno.

**Deadshot**

It would seriously over power Pulse Rifles (30" range), and Sternguard Kraken Bolts(sasame). Gouing by the back of the BRB, the Kroot Gun is a 48" rapid fiore. That is twice the shots a bolter gets, and at shoter ranges it will outfiere the current equivilent, the Autocannon. Once it gets to 6" , then that amounts to 8 Str 7, AP 4 shots. At 3", such as the callidus assassin, it will fire 16.

**Ovion**

You could feasibly make it 3 at a quarter or something, but even then it's still a bit silly

**loota boy**

Chimera tankshocks a unit. Plasma vets disembark, practicly on top of unit. Let loose 32 plasma shots. Target dies immediatly. Plasma vets all die from gets hot!

Histarical.

**BlapBlapBlap**

The rule is insane. A 10 man unit of Death Co. toting Bolters, for example, could move into a 6" range, unleash 40 shots, then assault the survivors. Convert this to Tac squads and you potentially could drop pod assault nearly on top of an army, and you would be pumping out upwards of 100 shots in a regular game. The regular rules make it fair, so the enemy can actually hurt you.

**Deadshot**

Large Boys mob stops 2" away from Death Co. totibng Bolters and Plasmaguns. boys shoot, superficuial damage. Cahrge into cover, but roll a 1 for DT, so can't. Death Co. move withiun 1", and unload. A whole lot of dead boys+charging.

**djphranq**

How about make all shots full range but be effected by BS changes depending on number of shots fired.

1 shot be at model's BS
3 shots be at model's BS -1 or -2

**Talamare**

I like this

okay picture this
50 guards with 1st/2nd

400 shots

thats going to be fun rolling

**Deadshot**

My store only has 200 dice. I'll be rolling twice.

I can just imagine about 5-6 50 men Powerblobs at VERY close range, with FRFSRF. At 6", that's (5*50)*5 shots each=250*5=1250 shots.=any dead non vehicle unit.

**BlapBlapBlap**

A Tac squad would shuffle from 90 pts base to 200pts if this happened.

**loota boy**

Someone game test this, just for gaks & giggles.

**StringBassKnight**

loota boy wrote:Someone game test this, just for gaks & giggles.

If they can find enough dice...

**Hellwolf**

okay... bad idea.

**Safor**

It would overpower Rapid Fire weapons to an amazing degree.

This is exactly why melee combat is so rare in warfare nowadays.

**Remulus**

Chrysis wrote:It would overpower Rapid Fire weapons to an amazing degree. A single Guardsman with a Plasmagun would kill 4 of a 5 man Terminator squad with a single round of shooting.

Also you want this in the Proposed Rules section.

Yep op indeed. Troops with 8 shots would be scary.

**Ovion**

Also: Something that just occured to me is -

A Dark Eldar Splinter Cannon is Assault 4 / Heavy 6. This is the lotsandlots of rounds downrange superfirey poison deathbringer of the DE forces.

So a warrior with the belt-fed-machine gun of DE forces gets can move and get 4 or stay still and get 6 shots.

By your rule the default splinter rifle warrior can move AND gets: 1 shot at 24", 2 shots at 12", 4 at 6" and 8 at 3". meaning at 6" or less, the 10pt Splinter Cannon is worse than the 2pt splinter rifle.

Or 40-160 poison shots for 45-180 pts, which frankly with DE warriors it wouldnt be hard to close that distance.

Or, just keep the default twin-linked splinter rifles on things like Venoms and Razorwings, zoom in to 3 inches away and loose off 8 twinlinked shots.

Oh - and 150 is the upper end of shots a venom spam list at 1500pts can manage currently. switch it to this rule and you can pull out 500-600 shots a turn without much trouble.

**Hellwolf**

Granted, OP. But I was only thinking of this applying to rapid fire weapons. If you think about it, 2 shots isn't really 'rapid fire' is it? It's 1-2 shots.

**Talamare**

Hellwolf wrote:Granted, OP. But I was only thinking of this applying to rapid fire weapons. If you think about it, 2 shots isn't really 'rapid fire' is it? It's 1-2 shots.

Controlled Bursts

They dont carry infinite ammo on them, they cant spray a full clip every turn

For guns that do not use physical bullets (such as the Plasma Rifle)

Shooting it more will cause the gun to over heat and explode

**Safor**

[quote=Talamare

**Hellwolf**

All good points.