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The models i was thinking of were the old rhinoes, Razorbacks, and Predators, and all variants. The old GW model is thinner and possibly shorter than the current one you buy online. I am not talking about a converted rhino with its middle sectioned shortended, just an out-of-the-box model.


Would you be ok using this, or opponents using somethuing like this?

IMO, opponents should deal with it. If they can't respect that a player doesn't want to buy new versions of stuff they've already had for years and years, chances are they're probably not going to be that fun to play against anyways.

Don't even think this one is an option.... this isn't like the short avatar or the like... its a legitimate, very similar, legal model... too bad if they don't like it

If it is an official GW model, it is fine by me. Though some TO's may have rulings on some of the older models like the Avatar or Ork trucks which have significantly different sizes so check before you play.

But yeah, I have no issue with people using older models (as long as they explain what the models are if they are when I ask if they pre-date my joining the hobby )

I run lots of old models. If someone told me I couldn't use my old dreadnoughts, Terminators, or rhinos because they were smaller, they're not the kind of person I'd want to play with anyway.

The old land raider is shorter but substantially higher which is probably more of a disadvantage.

I have 3 of the old spartan land-raiders. Which were the ones similar to the Godhammer, save without the hvy-bolter and newer look of course. I also have the old-stronos pattern razorback, when it was new, then old, then really old?

I use a lot of old-rhinos which are significantly smaller than newer ones. I also use the old terminators who use smaller 25-mm bases.

TBH if its bigger then better for me as I can see/shoot it better and if its smaller then I suppose it cant see me/shoot me any better so yeah the pros and cons are about the same.

Seeing older models on the table is always nice. I have no problem with an opponent using whatever they have... there's enough similar models scattered through my own armies that it would be a little silly to object to it myself.

I repurposed my old ork trukks, as they are about warbuggy sized, and i needed buggies They also cause a lot of friction if you run them as iis, as they can get obscured by a grot mob

I still use my old kanz and dredd, gussied up a bot with spare parts from newer kits.

My infantry are mostly new models, but i have an old freeboota kaptin leading one squad, and a bunch of antique orks manning my Big Gunz (runtz is free, grotz is worf summat.. )

So.. old school Carnifexes and Hive Tyrants (that are about the size of a current Warrior) are okay also?

I think I have 3 Hive Tyrants and a handful of the old Carnifexes. I was planning on converting them to primes but if people would be okay with the size...

Milage varies.

I would be ok with it, as i used to play Nids, and the old models are nostalgic to me.

Random FLGS guy, probably not. Best ask before use.

From my experience, the vast majority of players will just not care. Most people are interested in seeing old stuff on the table.

The only time you're likely to run into issues is where there is a really big difference (such as with the Eldar Avatar... the original model was little bigger than a current Space Marine).

Or the Chaos Obliterators, but that's usually more of a 'Why on earth would you want to use those ghastly abominations against nature' sort of deal.

Older models are legal no matter what the opponent says. Since i run old rhinos/razornacls myself. But termiantors should move to 40 mm bases because it is not an issue about the model but it's base size .

pizzaguardian wrote:Older models are legal no matter what the opponent says.

It's not always quite as clear cut as that. There have been a couple of cases where a unit has changed significantly in-game, which renders the original model not really appropriate any longer.

Dark Eldar Grotesques being the most recent example of this.

But termiantors should move to 40 mm bases because it is not an issue about the model but it's base size .

The base size rules actually do not require you to re-base your old models. Exactly the opposite, in fact.

As long as the models are on the correct sized base, I don't care what the age of the model is. Hell, I've used (and still use) the Necron figs from 3rd ed in my army to this day.

Legal, yes, but they can still refuse to play you, unless it's a tournament (in which case it's down to the TO, and they still have the right of refusal.)

Legality of models is semi- futile to argue

For the record, i quite like seeing the older models on the field, but some of them DO give an unfair advantage in-game..

I think that any TO or opponent who demanded I replace my old models should be ashamed of themselves. I think the main thing that separates this hobby from CCG's is that I don't have to keep spending copious amounts of money on it. Once I have a model, I can use it forever. It never goes on to a 'restricted' list or any similar BS. Any player who tries to subvert that is being a wiener.

Jimsolo wrote:Once I have a model, I can use it forever.

So, how many points do Scouts pay for Shuriken Catapults in the current Space Marine codex?

Don't see many Marine Jetbikes around either...

I have had several armies nixed that were 'official' and forever..

Squats
Norscans
Fimir
Slaan (back when they had human servitors, not lizardfolk. If is still had them i could do counts, as but that's not quite the same..)
Harlequin land raiders
Zoats

etc etc...

Ascalam wrote:Slaan (back when they had human servitors, not lizardfolk. If is still had them i could do counts, as but that's not quite the same..)

That would be 'Slann'...

Harlequin land raiders

Heh, back in the day when GW only had two vehicles, so everyone could use them.


But actually, the old Land Raider is another that you'll hear an occasional grumble about, due to the lack of an assault ramp and the different weapon loadout on the original. But again, more players would just be amused to see it on the table in the first place.

The only time I have ever had a problem with someone using older models was a guy who used to get most of his stuff off ebay...
Right around the release of 5th ed all of his (10) rhinos suddenly were replaced by the old school ones...which he started rabidly acquiring off of ebay for no reason other than easier LOS hiding.

If you have old models...go for it...if you get your models second hand and wind up with a bunch of old stuff...go for it
if you buy the older models to abuse the game...screw you.

insaniak wrote:

Ascalam wrote:Slaan (back when they had human servitors, not lizardfolk. If is still had them i could do counts, as but that's not quite the same..)

That would be 'Slann'...

Harlequin land raiders

Heh, back in the day when GW only had two vehicles, so everyone could use them.

True nuff

I type better when all my fingers work. Right now i'm typing lefty..

Harlequins could jack them, with a risk of them breaking down IIRC . Good times

For most old models yes.

For Apocalypse, absolutely yes.

For me personally, I also remade my ork trukks into buggies, and would not field them as trukks anymore. I can think of no other examples where I would not use the old stuff though.

I have 1st ed shoota boys, some old metal skorchas, kitbashed big batttlewagons and tons of other stuff that I will totally still use.

If I were to Ebay up a bunch of old school models, I would be far to lazy to try and do it for rule bending. Besides, all it would earn me is a slap upside the head anyways.

I plan on moving some old Termys that I did ebay to 40mm bases, because I think they look weird on those tiny little bases.

I voted no, only because I didn't realize how strictly you were interpreting sizes. A rhino is a rhino, I don't care which model you use. If you summon a greater demon I expect to see a big honking demon not one of the old OLD greater demons on the 40mm square bases that can hide behind the rhino.
I've seen people do this and it's modelling for advantage even if GW did make the model, because there was no doubt they searched out the smaller model in order to use it for that purpose

The first is a greater demon, the second I would accept as a demon prince. I concede that a player is technically within the rules to use either model, but that leaves it up to you to decide if you really want to play them.

I play for fun thus I expect my opponent to act the same way. Granted this is not always the case especially at tournaments but usually the players I play get the feeling I rub off, which is an overall "screw it lets just have some fun."

I voted yes, mainly because otherwise it would completely invalidate one guy's army at my FLGS. He started playing back in 2nd Edition (and more specifically, quit playing all the way through 5th Edition), so his entire Ork force is 2nd Edition models, minus a few Killa Kans and 3 Leman Russ Battlewagons. I have to say that I love seeing his army, because it's adorable how small they are compared to modern models. Anyone remember the old Trukks that you could hide behind damn near anything?

Repaint those trukks black to make them bigger.

Brotherjulian wrote:... because there was no doubt they searched out the smaller model in order to use it for that purpose

That's a pretty awesome generalisation right there.

Some of us use those old models because we have them from when they were new models.