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I've been looking into the chaos gods and wondering if the chaos gods even care for their followers. Are they just promising them things so they can serve them or do they just not care that much as they are all expendable pawns in a bigger game.
And if they're so powerful why do they need CSM? or do CSM just walk in the door of a cake walk and say "whats up were joining you sorry bro if it hurts your feelings" or what

JW thanks

They really don't. People will claim Nurgle does, but it's really just him being more enthusiastic about worship then the others. He may call them his "children" but he won't bat an eye if they die.

The followers of Chaos desperately try to get the attention of their Gods in any way possible. If the Gods care enough they'll reward him, resulting in many being twisted into mindless Spawns while the best reward they can give is Daemonhood. That's really it for the interaction between the Chaos Gods and mortals, basically "please notice me!".

I guess it's like an ant farm. On the whole, it's fun, but they're so small, it's hard to mourn each one.

Depends how you define "care for".
There's a difference between "you've helped me, now you die" and "you've helped me, have a treat"

well to the chaos gods, its all the same to them so yeh

so basically the Chaos gods take advantage of their worshipers?

shadowsnip wrote:so basically the Chaos gods take advantage of their worshipers?

Well yeah, thats kind of the point.

eh now i don't really want a daemon army lol

Yeah, all they care about is power, and as it so happens that their followers help give them power. So they kinda do care for them, but only so long as they are helping their patron god. If they stop being useful, the Chaos god stops caring.

shadowsnip wrote:eh now i don't really want a daemon army lol

That's the first time I've seen someone detract from a force for a reason like that O_o

Khorne doesn't care where the blood flows from. All that matters is it flows.

Grandfather Nurgle loves all his children!

BUttttt lets say i was a CSM could I still crush my enemies, see them driven before me, and have the lamentation of their women???

edited.... (Arnold is sometimes hard to understand)

shadowsnip wrote:BUttttt lets say i was a CSM could I still crush my enemies, see them driven before me, and have the fermintation of the women???

fermentation? do you mean lamentation?

yes i did thanks but can i?

It seems like every single chaos space marine and his mother is becoming a demon prince or getting uber dark gifts through greater demons.

People probably don't even care if the gods care. Just get your hand on a titan battery and make yourself a god.

shadowsnip wrote:yes i did thanks but can i?

Well of course you can. To say that the Ruinous Powers take advantage of their followers is not to say that their mortal servants are not rewarded for their efforts against those who stand against the power of the Warp.

The forces of the Chaos Space Marines are in a good place to earn such rewards, as they are capable of acts of hatred, barbarism, and destruction on a scale that cultist and heretic scum cannot match. As far as the Chaos Gods are concerned, renegade Astartes are just another type of pawn, but for a successful Traitor, the merest approving notice from his patron is reward enough. Such notice is often accompanied by greater strengths and powers, culminating at Daemonhood.

So yes, the Chaos Gods treat all their followers as expendable chaff, but that isn't to say that all of Chaos' worshipers are mindless slaves with no fighting spirit.

I think that Khorne is the most kind of the gods. He doesn't care about how you look, act or the deeds you have done. All that matters is that the blood continues to flow and Khorne usually blesses people with "gifts" to aid in this. If you want to appease Khorne, go and unleash untold chaos in the midst of your enemy (He willl take notice, just dont be cowardly). You want to appease Tzeentch just start spelling some text from some old books, then get ready to either be sucked screaming to the warp or transmuted into a horrible spawn just to amuse Tzeentch. Want to appease Nurgle, then just never take a bath, until you any plant life dies around you and flies start to nest in your intestines. Want to appease Slaneesh? Well buy a slut and some porn movies and wait until you turn into a hermaphrodite (I know what you are hiding).

Shortly, the chaos gods don't give a about their followers.

I don't think any of them care that much, it's like playing with a toy car...sure it's fun, but it's just a toy...The dark gods care more about "The great game" than anything else, and the daemons are used to fight those battles, not the Chaos space marines. And Khorne does care where the blood flows to a certain extent...killing random civilians that cant fight back = bad, killing a trained soldier with an axe = good.

Khorne likes worthy skulls for his throne, not just anybodies...

bombboy1252 wrote:And Khorne does care where the blood flows to a certain extent...killing random civilians that cant fight back = bad, killing a trained soldier with an axe = good.

Khorne likes worthy skulls for his throne, not just anybodies...

In old fluff that may of been the case, but in current fluff Khorne really couldn't give a gak what you are killing.

Nurgle does care about his followers, and loves them. But the love is twisted as only a Chaos God's can be.

The concept of Nurgle is as a sympathetic figure, so therefore Nurgle does care for his followers. He probabaly loves his prisoner Isha in a way, and that story could even be a reference to Hades and Persephone.

The gods do not care for them. They are just pawns for the Gods' grand plan's.

Chaos worship in the fluff really makes no sense. The game strongly implies that people have sould of sorts and that worship of chaos is akin to damnation, handing your sould to a despicable alien power that has no good feelings whatsoever.

It seems that people are basically tricked or scammed into it, via subtle stages - like they go to a brothel and get into some dodgy stuff, then the cultists entice them into some more. Eventually it seems that they just fall in too deep and have to go with it. That is sort of how it is portrayed in the HH novels.

However, once you are in you get little if anything back. If your idea of a reward is to have your intestines burst through your rotten skin and swarm with maggots and flies then fine. Khorne seems to encourage his followers to just mindlessly kill, he is just as happy with their deaths as he is of their victims, it's all grist to the mill for him. Tzeentch is just weird and throws around, most of which are gross and unpleasant. Slaanesh just degrades people into a state of total dissipation.

Basically to me it's a very scary idea, you get sort of conned or tricked and you can't back out. It seems that once you get involved you are stuck and forced into it. The Inquisition will show no mercy to anyone who even dallies with a cult, even if they have no idea what the cult is and have no idea of its true purpose. It's a horrible trap that could catch anyone out and then the gods have you and there is no going back!

I play Chaos because I like the rebellious aspect, the gods I could give a Gak about. It's why I play Alpha Legion and Night Lords. I just..don't really care for the Dark Gods. I suppose I should just be playing a codex chapter, but nah..

@Isengard - I'd say this is more because the fluff is mostly written from an Imperial perspective, where the whole 'nasty tricksy chaos gods really conned me this time' is a suitable dramatic premise to provide a loyal heroe's tragic fall from grace. Look at how the bible always says 'the devil tricked him into it' (starting in genesis with the serpent and the forbidden foodstuff). It's just good storytelling...

I'm sure I've read pockets of fluff here and there where people have given themselves willingly to Chaos (Archaon Lord of the End Times is one).

Personally I see worship of Chaos as a bit like working in a massive supermarket chain, I work on the tinned fruit aisle appeasing my manager, who in return rewards me with wages, but in reality as far as the CEO is concerned I am both cheap labour and expendable. Until I get promoted

So I could become a warrior and collect skulls in the name of Khorne, but by and large he doesn't really care until I ascend to be a bloodthirster or something...

The Epic Chaosdude!!! wrote:I think that Khorne is the most kind of the gods. He doesn't care about how you look, act or the deeds you have done. All that matters is that the blood continues to flow and Khorne usually blesses people with "gifts" to aid in this. If you want to appease Khorne, go and unleash untold chaos in the midst of your enemy (He willl take notice, just dont be cowardly). You want to appease Tzeentch just start spelling some text from some old books, then get ready to either be sucked screaming to the warp or transmuted into a horrible spawn just to amuse Tzeentch. Want to appease Nurgle, then just never take a bath, until you any plant life dies around you and flies start to nest in your intestines. Want to appease Slaneesh? Well buy a slut and some porn movies and wait until you turn into a hermaphrodite (I know what you are hiding).

Shortly, the chaos gods don't give a about their followers.

Tzeentch isn't just the god of sorcery. Plans, tactics and outmaneuvering your opponent all come into his spectrum. Which is why I found it strange the Alpha Legion don't worship him until Legion came out.
Nurgle grows strong from the fear of death. Hence the plagues and grotesque diseases.
Slaanesh is also the god of skill and perfection. Technically a champion of Slaanesh should be able to beat a champion of Khorne in single combat.

The gods don't care about their followers much at all. But they need followers, so they reward the useful ones.

In the fantasy world, they seem to care more.

EG: There was a female bringing the head of a demon to khornes throne personally, and she got killed fairly close.

Khorne was a tad upset, he liked her a lot, so he resurrected her and promoted her, even though technically she failed to bring him the head he wanted.

Tzeentch gives his followers what they ask for (not always what they want, but hey). I honestly think that if someone 100% outwitted him, he would be impressed and shower gifts.

Nurgle in fantasy truely does care for his children, its just that the diseases etc are also his children, and putting the two together is like a playdate.

Slaanesh I tend to ignore

Void__Dragon wrote:

bombboy1252 wrote:And Khorne does care where the blood flows to a certain extent...killing random civilians that cant fight back = bad, killing a trained soldier with an axe = good.

Khorne likes worthy skulls for his throne, not just anybodies...

In old fluff that may of been the case, but in current fluff Khorne really couldn't give a gak what you are killing.

Nurgle does care about his followers, and loves them. But the love is twisted as only a Chaos God's can be.

I think Khorne is cooler when it's not just "kill ALL da womenz and childrenz"

And I like Nurgle because he does care for his followers...in a sick...weird...disease ridden' way.

Frankly I don't think the emperor really cares all that much anymore either. Let's all join the Tau! Join your local Gue’vesa recruiting station today! The greater good welcomes all!

hah silly tau. The first people i got were a tau fire warrior squad. I foolishly asked my younger brother to prime them because he was acting like he knew what he was doing. Lol he sprayed them for 30 seconds and they looked like mud men. Now they are scattered about the house covered in different colored paint for experiments.

Butttttt you said Nurgle cares and so does khorne sometimes do you think Slaanesh cares in a way at all? Ants on a farm but what if there was some interaction that could spark a weird way of championship between slaanesh and a minion or something? Like darks life said Khorne resurrected the girl because he liked her. Does that happen sometimes with the other gods?

Slannesh is involved with the emotions of greed and selfishness, as well as jealousy and gluttony. It cares little for the lives or wants of others, they are all but pawns for his own self indulgence.

Nurgle is always presented as caring for his servants, but Void_Dragon has it right, he cares in only the twisted way a God of Chaos can.

Tzeentch may care if you're part of his plans, but will mercilessly destroy you if you impede them somehow.

Khorne cares not from where the blood flows, only that it flows. He cares not for who his servants are, but will care if you please him by providing enough skulls and blood.