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I'm getting ready to be schooled by a Chaos player so I'm looking for some suggestions on improving/changing this list.

173 | Butcher Lv2 (Crown of Command, Ironfist)
190 | Bulls x5 (FC, Ironfists)

193 | Bruiser (BSB, Heavy Armor, Giantbreaker, Ironfist, Sword of Swift Slaying)
190 | Bulls x5 (FC, Ironfists)

212 | Ironguts x4 (FC, Banner of Eternal Flame)

021 | Sabertusk

021 | Sabertusk

1000 pts total

I would say drop giant breaker you really dont need it.
Maybe magic armor for the bsb or a ward save?

I dont know how those 4 IG are going to do seems a little odd more bulls in both units wouldnt hurt.

Or instead take leadbelchers instead of IG.

The initial plan was to use Guts to flank charge after the Bulls have gone but I can see how having Belchers would be a better idea.

I was thinking that Giantbreaker would be helpful since WoC are pretty much armored up the ying-yang. I suppose a ward save could be useful...

How useful do you think a Cannon would be instead of the Guts/Belchers?

It's nice but illegal 366pts of heroes is above the 25% allowance.

The thing warriors don't like is the impact hits and the stumps because with mot they only get a 6+ parry.

Also try a larger point game 2000 ish points then it gets more even.

Hargus56 wrote:It's nice but illegal 366pts of heroes is above the 25% allowance.

Yea, I just noticed that. I wonder why Army Builder didn't catch that? Must have had the points set to 2000 on accident or something. One more thing to fix.

Cowpow how does the Dragonhide Banner work that makes units strike last? I thought it had to be used as a breath weapon at Initiative but it doesn't make much sense if they are striking first.

If it works before they strike then I would say some Mourfang, a ton of impact hits and hits and good armor. Leadbelchers would be nice too. I also think it would be fun and effective to use the flying firebelly as decribed in Matt's post here: http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/399803.page

Fly that sucker into a flank and you can probably get 15-20 hits then fireball or flame cage ideally, they reform in their turn to face and you charge causing impact hits, by that time bulls might be in range so they charge into a flank or rear

Okay. Now that I've had time to set Army Builder to the correct points cutoff, let's see how this build catches yer fancy.

250 | Tyrant (Armor of Fortune, Ironfist)
190 | Bulls x5 (FC, Ironfists)

188 | Bruiser (BSB, Dawnstone, Heavy Armor, Ironfist, Sword of Swift Slaying)
190 | Bulls x5 (FC, Ironfists)

212 | Leadbelchers x3 (Bellower)

021 | Sabertusk

021 | Sabertusk

999 Points

Looks nice.

1000 points is really a bad level for Ogre magic and you don't really have to worry about be uber spells of death either.

use the Sabretusks to block any dangerous charges he is setting up so you can focus on a single enemy at a time. Have both Bull units attack the same target.


WoC are heaviliy armored, but Tyrants and Bruisers are putting some serious dents into it. 3+ becomes a paultry 5+ under their blows.



On the Dragonhide Banner: The ASL effect is ONLY from the breath weapon. So how it basically works is you charge in, do impact hits, enemy strikes back(unless its Lizardmen), you make your regular attacks and breath weapon. Enemy now has ASL till the next turn, so it only effects a combat's 2nd round in all cases where it matters(ASL is useless against Lizardmen with the exception of their heroes)

Well, the list didn't perform as well as I'd have liked. His chosen got buffed pretty good and my belchers got toasted at the end of turn one. After some thinking, I've retooled the list a bit. Actually, I've retooled it a lot. Let's face it, it's an entirely new list.

173 | Butcher Lv2 (LotGM, Crown of Command)
303 | Ironguts x6 (FC, Standard of Discipline)

215 | Mournfang Cavalry x3 (Bellower, Crusher, Ironfists)

139 | Leadbelchers x3 (Bellower)

170 | Ironblaster

1000 Points

So, you guys like this list any better? It boosts my shooting and gives me a little magic as well. Instead of two stompy units of bulls, I've more of an anvil/hammer setup with the Guts/Fangs. C&C always welcome.

Aaaaaaand after some discussion with the boys over at Ogre Kingdoms, I reworked the list a little bit. Basically I'm now doing a Butcher in a 3x3 Ironguts block as my anvil with Mournfangs as the hammer. Two Sabertusks continue to speedbump anyone eyeballing my flank for a turn while my boom box lays down the heavy beats.

173 | Butcher Lv2 (LotGM, Crown of Command, Ironfist)

394 | Ironguts x8 (FC, LG, Standard of Discipline)

220 | Mournfang Cavalry x3 (Bellower, Heavy Armor, Ironfists)

021 | Sabertusk

021 | Sabertusk

170 | Ironblaster

999 Points

Okay. Aside from some seriously bad magic (two miscasts!) and some poor terrain placement, I killed everything I fought till I came up against his Chosen. I just couldn't do anything against his higher initiative and S5 attacks.

Any advice?

Chosen? at 1k?

was there like 10 of them



Chosen are a tough nut to crack, especially if they are kitted out to get the most out of their blessing(MoT, Favor of the Gods, Wailing Banner)


This low of points, the best thing to do is have everything in the army try and take them out. at the same time. if you get 2 units of Ogres smashing into them, all with bufffs and such, you should get rid of them.

Alternativly, avoid them, beat everything else and win the game that way.

Grey Templar wrote:Chosen? at 1k?

was there like 10 of them

25 Actually. By the time I was able to do anything to them, they had +1 Str and +1 Toughness from the Altar. 20 attacks at WS 6, S 6 means a lot of dead Ironguts.

Chosen not that scary unless they have mon because you hit them on 5+ then.

Still they are ws 6 with 2 attacks and with halberds they wound you on 3+ (if you are un buffed).
And against base ogres they only get a 5+ armor because you are str 4. You also get a parry and a stomp.

Also the banner goes at your initiative so the second round of combat that unit has asl as far as I understand.