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Hey Dakkites,
I had just opened back up my Night Lords again and saw my customized Chaos Lord I made a while ago (and love). I gave him fairly large wings to go with the Night Lords theme. Only problem was he wouldn't stand up on a standard 30mm base so I used a large washer underneath for more stability. The base size a a little smaller than a 40mm, probably a 38mm or so. Is this legal? I know it might hurt me in getting into base contact (more attacks against him), but is this a legal move to make the base bigger?

RAW no. You must use the base supplied with the model.

jbunny is correct that RAW you cannot do this. However I doubt you will find many people who will object to this. Best bet would be to ask/let your opponent know about this.

To elaborate, the rules for bases say this:

"Some players like to mount their models on impressive scenic bases. As mounting your models on different-sized bases might affect the way they interact with the rules, make sure before the game that your opponent does not mind this." (Rulebook, p3)

If it's clear that you're not gaining much of an advantage from a larger base, most people won't mind, especially since it's a character that has no area-of-effect abilities (nor can be subject to any from friendly models, that I can think of). Larger bases for such characters are usually a distinct disadvantage as more models can be in base contact with him, therefore increasing the number of models that can attack him but usually not changing the number of models that he can attack.

But it would be expected of me to convert all my metal Termies to 40mm bases correct? As the smaller base would give me a distinct advantage in combat and DS. Although I have read that you should use the original base the model came with, I would still expect my opponents to up the base size to the standard Termies use these days.

If they came with the small bases, they are legal.

Artanis wrote:But it would be expected of me to convert all my metal Termies to 40mm bases correct? As the smaller base would give me a distinct advantage in combat and DS. Although I have read that you should use the original base the model came with, I would still expect my opponents to up the base size to the standard Termies use these days.

Good thing there's nothing that requires me to do that.

Happyjew wrote:If they came with the small bases, they are legal.

Interesting. My local redshirts don't see the same way ):

I can either be an ass and argue it's legal to stay on the 25mm or.....BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD

Artanis wrote:

Happyjew wrote:If they came with the small bases, they are legal.

Interesting. My local redshirts don't see the same way ):

I can either be an ass and argue it's legal to stay on the 25mm or.....BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD

The old Termies came on the smaller bases. Nothing requires you to change the base. Under strick RAW it is illegal to change the base, as the model did not come with the larger base.

It's like some of my 2nd ed Nids, that came on square bases. RAW I'm required to use the square bases, however I don't think anyone would complain if I put them on round bases. It's your choice. If you want to rip the bases off and buy new bases, reattach, paint, etc. you can. RAW you are cheating but I don't think anyone will refuse to play you because you put them on the bases they come with now.

Artanis wrote:

Happyjew wrote:If they came with the small bases, they are legal.

Interesting. My local redshirts don't see the same way ):

I can either be an ass and argue it's legal to stay on the 25mm or.....BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD

More importantly, it's actually illegal to mount them on 40mm bases, because the models were not supplied with 40mm bases.

Thanks guys.

Is there any other page or RAW besides the one Cheexsta posted from p3 BRB that I can shove in the Red shirts faces to read when they starting bitching about my smaller termies. I've had enough with argueing with them, especially after the Dreadnought 180 LoS ruling they refused to budge from. Something along the lines of "a model must use the base it was supplied with" quote, p3 isn't specific to that imo.

Another option would be to mount it on a base that will support the model, but make a 30mm circle around the model and say "this black area is the actual base size, use this for shooting and assults measuring".

I had to do this for a model I made that always toppled over, and no one said anything about it.

Hope this helps.

-Cheers

What happens if you scratch build a model? Does it have no base?

Phototoxin wrote:What happens if you scratch build a model? Does it have no base?

I would suppose that you find the model for it (or close to it) and make a base the size of the "official" model.

Phototoxin wrote:What happens if you scratch build a model? Does it have no base?

There are no rules covering this (or cases where there simply is no official model). paulguise's solution will work for most reasonable people.

Phototoxin wrote:What happens if you scratch build a model? Does it have no base?

Technically you have no permission to use it in a normal game, as it is not a Citadel Miniature.

I know a guy who put his old metal termies right on top of 40mm bases.

He just re-flocked the base. It looked nice. His termies became the same height as the plastic ones and had the "correct" size base.

It kinda looked neat with all his termies standing on little hills.

DeffDred wrote:I know a guy who put his old metal termies right on top of 40mm bases.

He just re-flocked the base. It looked nice. His termies became the same height as the plastic ones and had the "correct" size base.

It kinda looked neat with all his termies standing on little hills.

I did this myself, but mainly because while I would not have minded having Small based termies, I added to my termie squad with new modes, and having 1/2 my squad on Small bases, and 1/2 on Medium just looked wrong to me(it also allowed me some modicum of "Modeling for advantage" when deep-striking, I could land a little closer to an enemy than I would like, then put all my small based termies closer to the enemy models than the lager based ones and not mis-hap when I should have; So I policed myself and chose to sort of cheat instead of just pretty-much cheat with the rules).

Jbunny is not 100% correct(just about 99.99%); RAW you must use the Bases supplied, unless your opponent agrees to the larger bases(BRB page 3, Bases, second paragraph).

im gonna piggy back this thread since my question is close to it, and i dont think it deserves a brand new thread. apologies to the OP i will start a new thread if asked.


i am kitbashing together a tervigon for my new nids army. i am using parts from the arachnid spider, and obviously this will over extend from the standard MC base. im wondering if there is a "standard" base size for the tervigon? IE: should it use the trygon base, (large oval) or be crammed on the normal MC base? (IE carnifex) would placing the model on the larger base be considered modelling for advantage since the AOE stuff on it now gets furthar?

I use the large oval bases for tervigons and tyranofexes and have never had a complaint.

Since there is no model for a Tervigon, you can put it on whatever base you want with whatever model you want. It's all up to your opponent (or the TO) to allow.

thought so. i was just curious about the tervigon specficlly since its main abilitys are AOE effects and that obviously works better on the larger base.

As mentioned above, the general convention I've seen with the Tervigon is to use the base of a similar unit. Since the Tervigon is a T6 6W Monstrous creature, the only other "similar" units are Trygons and Mawlocs. So you'll often see Tervigon conversions on the large oval base that Trygons and Mawlocs come on.

Artanis wrote: My local redshirts don't see the same way ):

Another fine example that yet again proves red shirts know nothing about the game they try to sell.

juraigamer wrote:

Artanis wrote: My local redshirts don't see the same way ):

Another fine example that yet again proves red shirts know nothing about the game they try to sell.

Just do what I do, if anything you'll get them flustered. Ask them to show you where in the rules that is.

nosferatu1001 wrote:

Phototoxin wrote:What happens if you scratch build a model? Does it have no base?

Technically you have no permission to use it in a normal game, as it is not a Citadel Miniature.

Depends on what we are talking about. A Master of the Forge that you made from mostly GW model bitz is 100% legal (even though it is not a Citadel Miniature Master of the Forge... one you built on your own from random non GW parts (the technical definition of a scratch build) is not legal).

Nope, it still isnt "legal", by strict letter

Unless you use a model named "Master of the Forge", made by CM, then you have no permission to use it to represent a Master of the Forge.

nosferatu1001 wrote:Nope, it still isnt "legal", by strict letter

Unless you use a model named "Master of the Forge", made by CM, then you have no permission to use it to represent a Master of the Forge.

Well page 225 of the BRB and the official Ard Boyz tourney rules (closest thing we get to actual GW rules for a tournament) both allow it.

Page 225 has nothing to do with rules.
Ard Boyz tourney rules arent even written by the studio, and have no bearing on anything outside of the ard boyz tournament.
Its why i said "technically" - essentially every single tournament changes the rules as they need, and allowance for non-GW models is normally one of them.