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Why did you never start or alternately stop playing/collecting Heavy Gear?
Never heard of it... what's Heavy Gear?
Don't like the mech minis genre in general.
Don't like the look of Heavy Gear specifically (art, minis, etc).
Don't like the price of Heavy Gear (books, minis, etc).
Don't like the mechanics of the game/silhouette system.
Don't like edition changes in Heavy Gear every 2-3 years.
Couldn't find any opponents to play against.
Couldn't find any of the products locally to buy.
Other (please elaborate below)
Inadequate support from DP9 (expansions, communication with fans, FAQs, etc).
Power creep and unequal efficacy between factions.
Poor resource management (playtesters, freelancers, website, etc) by DP9.

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 JohnHwangDD wrote:
I get that it's a beta, but your version is so much cleaner and easier to read.

You should send that sample to the Pod, and ask them to PAY YOU to format their stuff so it looks like a professional, commercial document. Seriously. It'd be a huge boon to the community.
____

Oh, you're banned by the Pod. Sorry, nevermind.


It's funny because over at FB I got asked to do it for them. I did politely decline, as I'm busy with some other stuff, but I gave them some pointers.
   
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 JohnHwangDD wrote:
Gear Krieg was already a great choice to start with, and Heavy Gear would certainly be the last. Jovian Chronicles sits right between them, so I agree that'd be the more likely choice vs cannibalizing active HG sales. Thing is, selling into a dead space seems like a bad idea.


3D-printed HG Fleet Scale! I know Dreadnaughts was DOA, but Fleet Scale is another little obscure Pod game that could be GREAT for printing. The setting doesn't really lend itself to 40k-style, Apocalypse-size matches, but... damn it'd look cool to have 300 teensy gears and a squadron of landships.

 Albertorius wrote:
 JohnHwangDD wrote:
I get that it's a beta, but your version is so much cleaner and easier to read.

You should send that sample to the Pod, and ask them to PAY YOU to format their stuff so it looks like a professional, commercial document. Seriously. It'd be a huge boon to the community.
____

Oh, you're banned by the Pod. Sorry, nevermind.


It's funny because over at FB I got asked to do it for them. I did politely decline, as I'm busy with some other stuff, but I gave them some pointers.

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The Battle Barge Buffet Line

 Albertorius wrote:

It's funny because over at FB I got asked to do it for them. I did politely decline, as I'm busy with some other stuff, but I gave them some pointers.


I imagine this is how it played out when someone unaware of Robert's history with constructive criticism asked you to do the work to be done for peanuts/exposure/whatever...

Spoiler:


Regardless, I hope they take the pointers to heart and put in the effort to make it more presentable even as a beta document.

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Fleet Scale: The badly-conceived effort to convert beloved mecha games into uninspired naval battles that nobody plays in an effort to ape the success of Warhammer 40,000 Epic without understanding that Epic is actually about the awesomeness of GIANT ROBOTS.

   
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 JohnHwangDD wrote:
Fleet Scale: The badly-conceived effort to convert beloved mecha games into uninspired naval battles that nobody plays in an effort to ape the success of Warhammer 40,000 Epic without understanding that Epic is actually about the awesomeness of GIANT ROBOTS.


I mean, the giant robots of Epic are alright, but for me it's always been about the actual, for good, battles that you can depict, instead of the skirmishes of 40k of the time or the parking lots full of stuff of the current 40k.

Fleet scale was... well the minis were nice, but honestly? Rather than that I think something like an "Interpolar War" boardgame with landships as mobile bases and the like could have been more interesting.

And of course, the setting changes intended for the landships game were kind of naff.

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Al, that's not quite right. Epic 40k's popularity should really be seen as an extension of Titan Legions, rather than as 'hex-and-chit strategy boardgaming with GW minis'. If you look at what survives today, it's Adeptus Titanicus via Forgeworld. GIANT ROBOTS!

Same reason why Heavy Gear & Jovian Chronicles are vastly more popular than Fleet Scale: GIANT ROBOTS.

The popularity of giant robots as a sales driver is really hard to understate. A SF / near-future game with giant robots will invariably outsell the version without giant robots, in the same way that a fantasy game with dragons will invariably outsell the version without dragons. Trying to sell battleships as a replacement for giant robots just doesn't work for the general public.

   
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 JohnHwangDD wrote:
Al, that's not quite right. Epic 40k's popularity should really be seen as an extension of Titan Legions, rather than as 'hex-and-chit strategy boardgaming with GW minis'. If you look at what survives today, it's Adeptus Titanicus via Forgeworld. GIANT ROBOTS!

Same reason why Heavy Gear & Jovian Chronicles are vastly more popular than Fleet Scale: GIANT ROBOTS.

The popularity of giant robots as a sales driver is really hard to understate. A SF / near-future game with giant robots will invariably outsell the version without giant robots, in the same way that a fantasy game with dragons will invariably outsell the version without dragons. Trying to sell battleships as a replacement for giant robots just doesn't work for the general public.


Well, I mean for myself, of course ^^. I do like titans, but I'm into Epic for the bigass armies:



Then again, I usually get my giant robots fix with Battletech or Heavy Gear, or the Lancer RPG these days.
   
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I have a fond, but very particular, memory of Epic that consists of a few stands of tactical marines, Rhinos and Land Raiders painted very badly in the thickest application of Blood Angels Red you have ever seen. Now that I have seen those sweet AF epic minis I wish I could get my hands on a copy and do it right this time!

   
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 JohnHwangDD wrote:
Al, that's not quite right. Epic 40k's popularity should really be seen as an extension of Titan Legions, rather than as 'hex-and-chit strategy boardgaming with GW minis'. If you look at what survives today, it's Adeptus Titanicus via Forgeworld. GIANT ROBOTS!

Same reason why Heavy Gear & Jovian Chronicles are vastly more popular than Fleet Scale: GIANT ROBOTS.

The popularity of giant robots as a sales driver is really hard to understate. A SF / near-future game with giant robots will invariably outsell the version without giant robots, in the same way that a fantasy game with dragons will invariably outsell the version without dragons. Trying to sell battleships as a replacement for giant robots just doesn't work for the general public.
So we need a game with dragons FIGHTING giant robots?
   
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The Battle Barge Buffet Line

 Firebreak wrote:

So we need a game with dragons FIGHTING giant robots?


Monsterpocalypse has that covered. No need to distract Robert; let him focus exclusively on HG and JC!

https://monsterpocalypse.com/

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But seriously, DP9, I don't mind giving you money for stuff I want, if you make it and it's good.

Just... do it.

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The Battle Barge Buffet Line

I have to admit that I kind of like the hover ball riding mech.


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Heh, those look fun.

What size are they supposed to be?
   
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The Battle Barge Buffet Line

No idea if it's changed in nublitz. Previously I think golems were typically under four meters (3-4) whereas most gears are over (4-5).


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 Firebreak wrote:
NEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEWS!!!!

EldoniusRex, of Battletech fame, joins Heavy Gear!


If the above hoverball golem is his work then I'd say he is making a positive contribution already.

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Yeah that one looks nice. If I were to guess, those torsos look very much Gear sized (and Gear-like, which I'm less enthused about, as Golems were supposed to derive from other kinds of machines, but whatevs)

The other one with the wings, I'm not as sold about.

I don't really have any use for them as HG stuff, but it's always nice to see new mecha minis to salvage. Particularly if they do release 3d printable files, as buying physical from the Pod at this side of the pond is simply not happening.

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On moon miranda.

The Centaur will be Gear sized, not sure exactly how big the Griffon will be. The original APES/Golem stuff is a bit wonky in a number of different ways, so they've been "promoted" in a sense with their Blitz rules (particularly because directly translating their original rules gets you something that makes an Asp look like a King Cobra). Their models are smaller than a Hunter or Jaeger, but not really like power-armored infantry sized as they're sort of originally presented 20 years ago.

If anyone's had a chance to peruse and fiddle with the beta RPG rules and has any thoughts, fire away. Formatting concerns (noted) aside, if anyone gets a chance to try building characters or playing, we'd really love to hear what worked well and liked, and what didn't work so well.

 warboss wrote:


 Firebreak wrote:
NEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEWS!!!!

EldoniusRex, of Battletech fame, joins Heavy Gear!


If the above hoverball golem is his work then I'd say he is making a positive contribution already.
It is indeed!

IRON WITHIN, IRON WITHOUT.

New Heavy Gear Log! Also...Grey Knights!
The correct pronunciation is Imperial Guard and Stormtroopers, "Astra Militarum" and "Tempestus Scions" are something you'll find at Hogwarts.  
   
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 Firebreak wrote:
 JohnHwangDD wrote:
Al, that's not quite right. Epic 40k's popularity should really be seen as an extension of Titan Legions, rather than as 'hex-and-chit strategy boardgaming with GW minis'. If you look at what survives today, it's Adeptus Titanicus via Forgeworld. GIANT ROBOTS!

Same reason why Heavy Gear & Jovian Chronicles are vastly more popular than Fleet Scale: GIANT ROBOTS.

The popularity of giant robots as a sales driver is really hard to understate. A SF / near-future game with giant robots will invariably outsell the version without giant robots, in the same way that a fantasy game with dragons will invariably outsell the version without dragons. Trying to sell battleships as a replacement for giant robots just doesn't work for the general public.
So we need a game with dragons FIGHTING giant robots?


Yes, basically Evangelion / Pacific Rim / Ultraman... Also robot dragons fighting dragons, such as Mechagodzilla vs Godzilla.

And yes, while there are players who like the small scale small fry, that's not what sells Epic to the general pubic. If it were, GW would still sell Epic.
____

The Centaur semi-Gears are OK, but the sword is a little goofy - make it a lance, though...

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 Vaktathi wrote:
The Centaur will be Gear sized, not sure exactly how big the Griffon will be. The original APES/Golem stuff is a bit wonky in a number of different ways, so they've been "promoted" in a sense with their Blitz rules (particularly because directly translating their original rules gets you something that makes an Asp look like a King Cobra). Their models are smaller than a Hunter or Jaeger, but not really like power-armored infantry sized as they're sort of originally presented 20 years ago.

If anyone's had a chance to peruse and fiddle with the beta RPG rules and has any thoughts, fire away. Formatting concerns (noted) aside, if anyone gets a chance to try building characters or playing, we'd really love to hear what worked well and liked, and what didn't work so well.

 warboss wrote:


 Firebreak wrote:
NEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEWS!!!!

EldoniusRex, of Battletech fame, joins Heavy Gear!


If the above hoverball golem is his work then I'd say he is making a positive contribution already.
It is indeed!


I have yet to have enough time to actually do a read over of the beta, unfortunately (I'm seriously pretty swamped... I have multiple projects going on, but mainly I have to translate a 425-pages book, like, now... and the day job), but I'm interested in seeing what your ideas are.

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 Albertorius wrote:


I have yet to have enough time to actually do a read over of the beta, unfortunately (I'm seriously pretty swamped... I have multiple projects going on, but mainly I have to translate a 425-pages book, like, now... and the day job), but I'm interested in seeing what your ideas are.


Out of interest, what do you translate?

Ashley
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 Paint it Pink wrote:
 Albertorius wrote:


I have yet to have enough time to actually do a read over of the beta, unfortunately (I'm seriously pretty swamped... I have multiple projects going on, but mainly I have to translate a 425-pages book, like, now... and the day job), but I'm interested in seeing what your ideas are.


Out of interest, what do you translate?


Usually RPGs, which is a bit of everything, really xD. Mainly L5R (I've been the line translator for the last... about 16 years) but I've done WFRP, Warhammer 40k, Star Wars, Alien, Dust, Heavy Gear, Eclipse Phase, Tenra Basho Zero... you know, stuff ^^
   
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I didn't know you worked on 40k too.

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 warboss wrote:
I didn't know you worked on 40k too.


Yeah, I did text revisions for the Dark Heresy core rulebook and translated the Edge of Darkness free adventure, Purge the Unclean and The Inquisitor's Handbook, plus the Rogue Trader core rulebook (which unfortunately didn't actually get released due to some license kerfuffle).

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 Albertorius wrote:


Yeah, I did text revisions for the Dark Heresy core rulebook and translated the Edge of Darkness free adventure, Purge the Unclean and The Inquisitor's Handbook, plus the Rogue Trader core rulebook (which unfortunately didn't actually get released due to some license kerfuffle).


Now I gotta ask what languages you translate to and from? Curiosity compels me.

Ashley
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 Paint it Pink wrote:
 Albertorius wrote:


Yeah, I did text revisions for the Dark Heresy core rulebook and translated the Edge of Darkness free adventure, Purge the Unclean and The Inquisitor's Handbook, plus the Rogue Trader core rulebook (which unfortunately didn't actually get released due to some license kerfuffle).


Now I gotta ask what languages you translate to and from? Curiosity compels me.


xD. As a general rule, just spanish and english. I can mostly read french but I'd really feel like faking it if someone asked me to, but I've done some japanese translations too. I don't read kanji, but I do read romaji.

Well, also catalonian and galician, but that's mostly due to spanish, and Italian. All being romance languages, it would be harder than spanish, of course, but thoroughly doable.

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IIRC, Italian is much closer to Spanish than Catalan, no?

   
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 JohnHwangDD wrote:
IIRC, Italian is much closer to Spanish than Catalan, no?


Up to a point, but yes. Catalan draws equally from french, whereas italian and spanish got influenced by the other for a long time (about three centuries), so they drew nearer.
   
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Thanks for clarifying. I remember my brother basically being semi-fluent in Italy leveraging his Spanish proficiency. OTOH, when I was in Barcelona, it definitely didn't sound Spanish. LOL

   
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 JohnHwangDD wrote:
Thanks for clarifying. I remember my brother basically being semi-fluent in Italy leveraging his Spanish proficiency. OTOH, when I was in Barcelona, it definitely didn't sound Spanish. LOL


Some of it sounds really close, some of it sounds gibberish ^^. I basically spent my childhood summers in Alicante watching Dragon Ball and Dr. Slump in catalan, so I guess I got it by ear, at least.

OTOH, an italian friend of mine always says that to speak italian you just need to speak spanish with gesturing with your hand (you know what gesture I mean ), so there's that xD.

EDIT: Oh, if you know people who reads spanish and is interested in giant robots, this is one of the things I'm working on:

https://mega.nz/file/Vd5m3ShY#5qDTqKA1zt6A2CGRBP3Fw4GHjXQIKztE6fq_uIjra_8

The free version of the Lancer RPG, which I'm translating and laying out in word when I have free time. Just two manufactures to go and it will be complete.

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Ah, I remember that KS. Nice project.

   
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 Albertorius wrote:

EDIT: Oh, if you know people who reads spanish and is interested in giant robots, this is one of the things I'm working on:

https://mega.nz/file/Vd5m3ShY#5qDTqKA1zt6A2CGRBP3Fw4GHjXQIKztE6fq_uIjra_8

The free version of the Lancer RPG, which I'm translating and laying out in word when I have free time. Just two manufactures to go and it will be complete.


Cool. Thanks for taking the time to reveal your super secret romance language skills. Colour me impressed. More impressed because language skills are frangible, so you must have the language down solid.

I use to be able to hold light conversational Japanese. Mostly platitudes, but it was enough, which I learnt as an Aikido senpai so that my Sensai wouldn't lose face with visiting Sensei from Tokyo who spoke Eastern Tokyo ben, whereas he spoke in Western Kyushu ben.

As a gaijin, even a batsugun gaijin desu, I have no face to lose.

Ashley
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