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Hey all,
Hoping this is in the right forum but here goes. Im currently collecting Orks still got some work to do so I was thinking I would get three or four AoBR sets and was wondering what to do with the marines.

Ive always wanted to start a Black Templar army, I just enjoy the fluff and they look so badass, and a CC army, dam im sold.

My question is this, What would you suggest for box sets, and models to buy aiming at probably eventually around 5 K or so in Black Templars, starting out basic and expanding up. Are the AoBR marines good or able to be converted? Is there specific vanilla marine stuff I should be getting? And off hand, do I need to buy both the vanilla space marine codex AND the Black Templar one or just one?

Thanks for any help in advance.

GET THE FAQ, it is on the GW website. It changes a lot of the Codex.


1) The AOBR Terminators are actually quite good for BT, but you will need to do some converting to add heavy weapons to them.

5 Terminators, with 2 heavy weapons and tank hunters. 4 S9 shots at long range or 8 S7 rending shots at mid range.

You can then have 5 sets of these, 2 as HQ retinues (if you take a terminator retinue). and then 3 as elite spots.


2) The normal marines are not bad, but not perfect. A popular form for crusader squads is to take a 5 Man squad with a Lascannon and a Plasmagun, and then 3 with bolters.

If you are taking larger squads you will probably want CCW/pistol instead (maybe a meltagun and a a Power Fist)


3) The Dread is okay as well, if you can convert the guns. Lascannon/ML + venerable and tank hunters is not too bad. Otherwise you may want a drop pod for it. However, the Melta Dread works better coming in first turn, where the BT Pods do not work that way.


OTHER STUFF TO GET

Land Speeders (typhoon ML are cheap and good)
Vindicator (PotMS and EA, move 12" and shoot, ignore shaken and stunned)
Predators (PotMS. Cheap and can shoot at 2 things)
Pods (Deathwind laucher can shoot the turn it lands)

It's a given, but you've got to get both The Emperor's Champion (legally you need to field him in any game over 750 points) and you should pick up some Black Templar upgrade sprues and tactical Marine boxes so you can make some characterful BT troops.

Buy the sword breatheren pack.

Use them as kickass looking troops!
Damn I love Black Templars!

If only Sword Bretheren were actually good at close combat : ( I just use mine as Initiates.

Movac wrote:If only Sword Bretheren were actually good at close combat : ( I just use mine as Initiates.

Blarge, that's what I meant, typed HQ instead of troops for some reason.

They'd make great looking sergeants (I know BT don't have them, but someone has to carry the power fist!)

Hey thanks all for the quick reply. Based on this ill probably get two AoBR, a Black Templar conversion kit, and a space wolves blood claw pack because I read somewhere I need more chainswords and such.

There are enough Chainsswords in the conversion kit and the Wolves equipment doesnt really fit anymore (unlike early 3rd edition when Bloodclaws were the only way to get CC-Marines for Templars ,,cheap").

I would get a AoBR, a champion, and perhaps a Space Marine Force pack.

I would go to eBay first.

Waaagh Junkie wrote:Hey all,
Hoping this is in the right forum but here goes. Im currently collecting Orks still got some work to do so I was thinking I would get three or four AoBR sets and was wondering what to do with the marines.

Ive always wanted to start a Black Templar army, I just enjoy the fluff and they look so badass, and a CC army, dam im sold.

My question is this, What would you suggest for box sets, and models to buy aiming at probably eventually around 5 K or so in Black Templars, starting out basic and expanding up. Are the AoBR marines good or able to be converted? Is there specific vanilla marine stuff I should be getting? And off hand, do I need to buy both the vanilla space marine codex AND the Black Templar one or just one?

Thanks for any help in advance.

Before you go spending cash money, you should be advised that the most competitive way to run Templars at the moment is gunline. You can make semi-decent assault armies, but they're one trick pony rock lists, and they have a few fairly common hard counters - if somebody can easily kill a Land Raider, they can shut you down.

Seaward wrote:

Waaagh Junkie wrote:Hey all,
Hoping this is in the right forum but here goes. Im currently collecting Orks still got some work to do so I was thinking I would get three or four AoBR sets and was wondering what to do with the marines.

Ive always wanted to start a Black Templar army, I just enjoy the fluff and they look so badass, and a CC army, dam im sold.

My question is this, What would you suggest for box sets, and models to buy aiming at probably eventually around 5 K or so in Black Templars, starting out basic and expanding up. Are the AoBR marines good or able to be converted? Is there specific vanilla marine stuff I should be getting? And off hand, do I need to buy both the vanilla space marine codex AND the Black Templar one or just one?

Thanks for any help in advance.

Before you go spending cash money, you should be advised that the most competitive way to run Templars at the moment is gunline. You can make semi-decent assault armies, but they're one trick pony rock lists, and they have a few fairly common hard counters - if somebody can easily kill a Land Raider, they can shut you down.

I would highly disagree with this. There are multiple ways to run Black Templar. Its more about the build and what feels better for you. I run two landraiders in my list and have had plenty of success with it.

Darkwynn wrote:

Seaward wrote:

Waaagh Junkie wrote:Hey all,
Hoping this is in the right forum but here goes. Im currently collecting Orks still got some work to do so I was thinking I would get three or four AoBR sets and was wondering what to do with the marines.

Ive always wanted to start a Black Templar army, I just enjoy the fluff and they look so badass, and a CC army, dam im sold.

My question is this, What would you suggest for box sets, and models to buy aiming at probably eventually around 5 K or so in Black Templars, starting out basic and expanding up. Are the AoBR marines good or able to be converted? Is there specific vanilla marine stuff I should be getting? And off hand, do I need to buy both the vanilla space marine codex AND the Black Templar one or just one?

Thanks for any help in advance.

Before you go spending cash money, you should be advised that the most competitive way to run Templars at the moment is gunline. You can make semi-decent assault armies, but they're one trick pony rock lists, and they have a few fairly common hard counters - if somebody can easily kill a Land Raider, they can shut you down.

I would highly disagree with this. There are multiple ways to run Black Templar. Its more about the build and what feels better for you. I run two landraiders in my list and have had plenty of success with it.

BT will not fair well against 5e point equal melee units, the man speaks the truth as do major tournament results.

The gunline being more tailored towards a bunch of vehicles? I was drawn mainly to the dreadnoughts, assaulty marines and the feel of the chapter. And allthough ive played orks for almost 2 years now I still dont really understand fully what kind of stuff makes the Space Marine or in this case BT stuff click

Waaagh Junkie wrote:The gunline being more tailored towards a bunch of vehicles? I was drawn mainly to the dreadnoughts, assaulty marines and the feel of the chapter. And allthough ive played orks for almost 2 years now I still dont really understand fully what kind of stuff makes the Space Marine or in this case BT stuff click

Honestly, take anything you hear on the internet with a grain of salt. Everyone on the internet is an expert. Most internet "wisdom" is not true. Although I am not a competitive type, I have a monster record at local tournaments, and I have never once used a net list.

You should take what you'll have fun playing with. If you like dreadnoughts and assault troops, that's what you should buy.

I personally think that BT can still make competitive assault lists. It's true that the codex is a bit old and things are generally overpriced, but the vow giving your whole army preferred enemy is very nice, especially when you take assault terminators. Also, the fact that you fall forward instead of back is pretty cool.

And, also remember that you will eventually get a new codex, which could very well make them the beasts of close combat again. I can tell you right now that 5man lasplas squads and termie squads with 2 cyclone missile launchers will be made obsolete when the new dex comes out.

The problem with AOBR Marines is that they can only be built one way, with the bolters across the chest You'd need to buy tactical Marines to convert with Black Templar bits. Look into getting a Space Marine battleforce box.

Waaagh Junkie wrote:The gunline being more tailored towards a bunch of vehicles? I was drawn mainly to the dreadnoughts, assaulty marines and the feel of the chapter. And allthough ive played orks for almost 2 years now I still dont really understand fully what kind of stuff makes the Space Marine or in this case BT stuff click

Actually, not so much vehicles with current Black Templars - it's all about Cyclone Missile Launcher Terminators with Tank Hunters and cheap-ass Typhoon Land Speeders. Cram as many of those as you can into a list, add 5-man LasPlas Crusader squads in Rhinos, salt to taste, and you have yourself a BT gunline.

As someone else pointed out, this style of list is unlikely to remain viable whenever the Templars get a new codex. If you want to future-proof your army, run something a little more vanilla.

And this is simply the most competitive way to run Templars. It's not the only way; I run a list that's nothing like this, and while it's not as good, I have way more fun with it.

I advise getting a dread with twinlas and rocket pod. Then make a vendread with bits from the BT upgrade set (there's a cool bt dread faceplate in there) and upgrade with tankhunters. Use this as an antitank platform, freeing up space for alternative weapons in your crusader squads.

so I play one of two lists within the BT, either the armoured company, having; 1 lrc w/ POLC termis and champ, 2 dreads, 2 10 man cc crusaders in rhinos 2 speeders, and 2 poms vindicators; this is a pretty obvious list in how it works, not highly ctive but has enough fun elements in it to be a good game.

my second list's explaination is found on marshal learoth's bloghttp://www.implausiblenature.net/ specifically here; http://www.implausiblenature.net/bt-101-building-another-competitive-5th-edition-list.html

so I run an EC, 2x chaplain w/ command squads (2 meltas, CC, DP), 2x naked dreads (dp), 1x 5 man terminator squad (cml, th), 6x 5 man crusader squads (meltas, cc, dp), and 2x land speeders

this is a defensive drop pod MSU (multiple small units) list, I have 10 drop pods using the old drop pod rules that allows them to come in a bit by bit starting my move phase turn two, no half come in, turn one and piecemeal deep strike after turn two.

this list gives me the ability to restrict firing lines and maneuverability on the field extremely well, i can box in tanks, and surround squads, create firing barriers, and deploy-able cover.

but read learoth's blog to get a good feel for competative templars and how defensive msu podding works.

Brother SRM wrote:The problem with AOBR Marines is that they can only be built one way, with the bolters across the chest You'd need to buy tactical Marines to convert with Black Templar bits. Look into getting a Space Marine battleforce box.

Yep. If you want to use the BT Bits, buy tactical squads.

However, you can make decent looking Templars out of the AoBR tactical marines. A cross decal on the open shoulder pad and the right paint scheme, and they'll fit right in with your normal forces.

I made my BT gunline from AOBR marines. 5 sets of terminators w/ IG sentinal missile pods as cyclones. 2 sets of marines for the bolter boys. 1 tac squad box plus 5 lascannon bitz off ebay and 5 plasma guns from GW (as they have the cheapest plasma and melta gun sets) for the special /heavy weapons. You can easily convert the AOBR captain into an Emperor's Champion. Converted 2 rhinoes I bought on the sprue from the warstore for $15 bucks each into vindicators. And that my super cheap, super shooty 'Ard Boyz list.

Black templar assault terminators are always a good choice. Theres not much that can withstand st 5 in 5 rerolling to hit and wound terminators with 4 attacks each on the charge and with the FAQ you can mix some storm shields into the bunch and be able to mix in some 3+ invulnerable saves! If you want a fluffy army take land raider crusaders (which i love) if you want a tournament army i would take as many missile launchers as possible. The templar fluff is in short, their mad, your evil, take a chainsword, lop of the head in a scream of zealous fury and get back in your land raider with your massive sword.

I will always argue that gunline is the competitive direction.

The fun direction is:
3x potms Vinds
2 LrCs, one with Assault Terms, the other with a 15 initiate/neophyte hobo squad.

Thanks all, I think im going to get some AoBR and tactical sets with the Black templar set and try to build the gunline. Probably some assault termies too.

Don't build a gunline unless you actually want to play a gunline.

I did manage to get some templars, I bought the Upgrade Set, did manage to find a box of bloodclaws, grabbed an EC, An AoBR set, and a box of assault terminators. Now i realize that i need to invest in some vehicles. I see most lists with the land-speeders, and razorback/rhinos, or drop pods. Now I know the gunline seems to be the most competitive but to me i want to try the a bit more towards the getting in their face and beating it in So to sum up what kinda way should I add on now to move towards a 3000 or so army eventually