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This would clock in at around 470 points. Would it be any good to deepstrike and unleash 40 gause shots? Yes/no? And if so, what would be a good bakcup for it?

I am trying to find a good use for the relentles lord.

I do not think you need the Veil, 20 warriors with an Over Lord, Rez orb and relentless seems just fine walking across the board. You could even buy a Arc for them, and drive it up beside them as a back resurrection.

Veil, on a Cryptek with maybe Lychguard? I think with what else you can potentially put on the board, the 20 necrons with relentless wont need a veil to be a threat.

Perhaps a gase of flames ti give them defensive grenades then? I could have a solar pulse in there as well.

With a 4+ / 4+ save and 20 of them you prertty mutch need a sweeping advance to take them out.

Yeah plus you can gear up the Over Lord to be a pretty tough cookie in CC, mindscarab thing is pretty sick. Plus if you cover this Warriors unit with a unit of scarab swarms. In all honesty i think if they focus on this unit, they are not focusing on your lychguard who just veiled to the flanks, or the Scarab swarms that are running up. Or whatever else your running.

I like the Phearon, w/20 warriors. First thing on my Army List.

If you're going to go balls out like that and build a warrior death star, why not throw a ghost arc in as well? Another 5 gauss flayers into the mix, and D3 extra 'crons coming back from the dead.

I do not need to start another army. I really do not.

But if I did, it would have to be a small compact army without any tanks as I hate painting them. I am just trying to come up with a good footslogging idea to come out down the road. Perhaps I could do it if it sounds like fun.

Veil of darkness, the c'tan dangerus terain and the tremmor arrows (?) are just new and interesting things that I have not seen in other army books. An all foot list. That is a big recentment to all the meltaguns out there.

Do you refer to the Tachyon Arrows (one use, S10, AP1)?

I'm highly interested in a footslogger army and would appreciate any further elaboration of this idea!

No I am refering to the 36" if it hits count's as moving through dificult terain cryptec standar weapon (in one of the aspects.)

Put him in warriors of 5 and shoot 36" away. If you hit they will become less mobile. Espesialy good vs dark eldar and eldar if I am reading this right.

Also, I think the C'Tan will make that terain into dangerush terain, but I could be wrong.

(However, right now there is a lott of rule discusions. I will wait til these die down to try realy special tactics.)

Ah, Tremorstave it is then!

I like the 20 warrior attack idea. But i'd run them with Obryon and Nemeser Whatshisname. Cause Obryon doesn't scatter when near Nemesor. So you DS Neme safely near by then use the no scatter to get right where you want to be.

If you effectively had 2 C'tans with the "deadly" terrain feature.... that would make the tremorstaff spam even more worth. Now the enemies are dieing on 1 and 2 rolls, instead of just 1's.

As for Obryon and Nemesor, i do not have the book handy, but i think if they are in the same unit you will scatter normally with the Veil, sounds like exploiting the rules if you don;t. But i'll get clarification when i get the codex back in front of me.

If your going to do this you need to go big or go home!

take 3 veils! (one of them the character with it)

i dunno about 20 dudes though....seems like a ton of models to get to fit in tight spots sometimes.

go with units of 10? make them immortals?

You don't put Nemesor and Obryon in the same unit. That's the point.

regardless all foot sloggers is a damn fine option for crons if you take veils and other quick units to take objectives.

take some solar flares to hide for a bit.

take tremor staves to slow them down

take a ctan with the world shaper power

scarab swarms rushing across the board and tomb spyders to make new ones!

With the RAP rule I think crons are built to foot slog!

Course...I do like annhilation barges, command barges, and the triarch stalker! but they arent really tanks (which I agree are a pain to paint)

ZombieJoe wrote:You don't put Nemesor and Obryon in the same unit. That's the point.

Gotcha, yeah we on the same page then. I misread what you said, apologies.

S'all good

Veil still has utility but is no longer an ability I'd build an army around. Veil lost its luster when the ability to get out of a combat was removed. Before, you'd veil and shoot pew pew, safe in the knowledge that you could esacpe the inevitable assault. No longer the case and frankly too many armies can sweep a unit of warriors regardless of size. Immortals are little better.

I am trying to find a good use for the relentles lord.

I dunno about good but stuff to consider:
--Veil already mentioned but helps warriors and immortals when using a Monolith or getting out of a deathscythe or ghost arc.

--Ability to move and fire immortals with gauss. Will be handy combined with a scarab unit or other entropic strike in the army.

--Ability to shoot and charge with warriors in a ghost arc. Given the phaeron and 1-2 lords with warscythe its not horrible counter assault.

--Move and fire the nigh worthless Heavy 1 Transdimensional beamer (wraiths and Orikan).

Viel is still good, and its not really hard to include it in an army. You just can't be quiet as hit and run crazy as you used to.

It's great for last minute, turn five objective grabbing.

ZombieJoe wrote:Viel is still good, and its not really hard to include it in an army. You just can't be quiet as hit and run crazy as you used to.

It's great for last minute, turn five objective grabbing.

Well said. And I think you just made up my mind on which Cryptek I'm sticking in my unit of immortals.

On the Go Big or Go Home subject, 730 points can get you: 20 warriors, 1 Phaeron with Scythe and Orb, Ghost Ark, 1 attached Destro Cryptic with Gaze and Pulse, and 4 destro cryptics to jump into the ark and fire out of.

Another thought that tickled me. 10 Deathmarks, Trazyn, VoD cryptic. A teleporting, scoring unit of relentless rapidfiring snipers that can wound 1 unit on a 2+, and depending on FAQ, possibly a template that ignores armor and wounds that unit on a 2+. Alternatively if they survive the sniper shots, make them take a morale test with the Nightmare Shroud, and then another likely morale just due to casualties. Can you say last turn Objective seizing?

Just a note, The 10 rapid fire 2+ snipers will take out a combat squad of tac marines in 1 turn of shooting on average.


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Better yet, 20 warriors, Phaeron with Orb, 4 destro cryptics in the ark with 1 solare pulse, transmog cryptic attached to the warriors with a Tremorstave and crucible, for 715 points. At 1500, you could have 2 of these monsters, with enough points to buy a min size squad of warriors to reserve, and jump on a point in endgame. And 5 points left to buy a soda.

ShadarLogoth wrote:

ZombieJoe wrote:Viel is still good, and its not really hard to include it in an army. You just can't be quiet as hit and run crazy as you used to.

It's great for last minute, turn five objective grabbing.

Well said. And I think you just made up my mind on which Cryptek I'm sticking in my unit of immortals.

I just did this in a game I played. Obryon and Nemesor Whatshisname. Spear Head Capture and control, the game of ties lol. My opponet throw his entire decent of angels army at me, except for one five man unit of assault marines. After I cleaned up all the attackers, I used Nemesor's unit with a cryptech in with a viel of darkness to DS safely near by the enemy objective. Then I used Obryon to safely DS within 6" of Nemesor and I rapid fired the enemy unit right of his objective.

I think Necrons are going to have great stratigic powers. They may not have the auto-win button that GK sometimes do. But, Necrons won't hurt for having ways to out wit and out play your enemy. Plus they can still take a beating and dish it out to make up for when your plans fail. I for one I'm really happy with this book, far more so than my Tyranid book :(

The main reason to take Warriors is run Ghost Arks or cheaper Night Scythes, not to slog it on foot; Immortals are better at doing that. Furthermore the army isn't any good at combat, so really the whole concept of Warrior deathstar is detrimental to your army's effectiveness.