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Afternoon Dakkanauts!

In a non-tournament game how would you feel about square bases being used in 40k?

I was going back and forth on buying some Daemon models for Warhammer Fantasy, with the key factor being basing. The plan would be to start a Daemon army in Fantasy but cheat a little bit and use some models in my CSM army or even cross over to a Chaos Daemons army. If it's too big of a deal I just wouldn't, as I wouldn't want to magnetize every single model and base.

The reason I'm asking comes from this: I bought the Finecast Cockatrice model and painted it up pretty nice, and I used it as a Greater Daemon in my CSM army. The guy I played against had no problem with it and even commented on how he liked my paint job on it. Then another guy, about 25 I'd say, comes up to me during my game with the other gentleman and gives a spiel about how horrible it is that the model is on the "wrong base" and how I really should put it on a circular base.

Frankly, I don't give a gak about his opinion in particular. Rather, it's the concept. What worth would it be buying an army and then having nobody want to play against me?

I'd like to hear your opinions. Thanks!

Bases would be a deal breaker for me. I'd prefer them to be on an appropriate sized circular base.

Not saying that I wouldn't' play with you, but I'd really not like the Square base aspect, even if it's only one model.

I also play a Daemon army.. And in 40k the square base or the round is perfectly legal. in Warhammer Fantasy the round base is not legal, only the square.

Many models in other codexes used to come on a square base, Eldar Wraithlord and War Walker come to mind first.

So I would in fact be ok with square bases in a Tournament as well.

Shadowseer_Kim wrote:I also play a Daemon army.. And in 40k the square base or the round is perfectly legal. in Warhammer Fantasy the round base is not legal, only the square.

Many models in other codexes used to come on a square base, Eldar Wraithlord and War Walker come to mind first.

I must have missed this, where does it say the Square bases are Legal in 40K?

In he 40k rules somewhere, it says something about the minimum base size, type of base legal on a model, would be the base that the model comes with.

Now I have 3 old metal wraithlords and 2 old metal war walkers that came on a mid size square base in their box. This makes those a legal base for them.

Now Daemons come with both square and round bases in the box.. so either is legal.

I could look up the rule for you, but I have real work to go do.

There was also a Dakka discussion about minimum base size justa few weeks ago, you could find, which would probably quote the rule.

In fantasy fanatics come on round bases.

My daemons are all on round. and I have square bases with sheets of steel attached to, And use magnets. I've never had a problem.

Some of the old Tyranids and Ogryn came with the square bases. My friend's are still mounted on them.

It doesn't bother me.

kronk wrote:Some of the old Tyranids and Ogryn came with the square bases. My friend's are still mounted on them.

It doesn't bother me.

All Daemons(regardless of size) used to come on squares, and so did anything on larger than a 25mm that had a base(Dreadnoughts, Khorne Lord Juggers, Wraithlords, larger nids, Ogryns, etc.), the exception being flight bases(which were all round).

In fact, 40mm rounds didn't even exist from GW until the Ork Warboss in 3rd ed.

I think it would make moving hoard armies alot easier.

I don't have my BGB on hand, so you guys will have to confirm this.

My friend told me that on page 3 it states that your model must be based on the base that comes with it. Naturally, that means it's my choice. Thanks guys!

Platuan4th wrote:

kronk wrote:Some of the old Tyranids and Ogryn came with the square bases. My friend's are still mounted on them.

It doesn't bother me.

All Daemons(regardless of size) used to come on squares, and so did anything on larger than a 25mm that had a base(Dreadnoughts, Khorne Lord Juggers, Wraithlords, larger nids, Ogryns, etc.), the exception being flight bases(which were all round).

In fact, 40mm rounds didn't even exist from GW until the Ork Warboss in 3rd ed.

Dreadnoughts didn't even come with a base for awhile...

As with all questions where modeling and rules collide, the answer is always situational. It depends on your intent...how well it's done...but mostly on you and your opponent being reasonable, mature people.

Justus wrote:I don't have my BGB on hand, so you guys will have to confirm this.

My friend told me that on page 3 it states that your model must be based on the base that comes with it. Naturally, that means it's my choice. Thanks guys!

That's exactly it. It doesn't say, 'must be put on any round base it came with.' This also means if you have old models, with a different base size or type, like old style terminators on the 25mm base, it's legal to keep them on those.

As I understand it, you have to model the figure with the base it comes with, no more no less. Certain figures get both bases, so both bases are legal with those certain figures.

Also, having a square base makes you a larger target in regards to templates and deep striking.

I wouldn't give the bases a second glance in a game, except "ah, I see you use square bases. Ok."

Kinda reminds on how only women really notice shoes...


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Bookwrack wrote: like old style terminators on the 25mm base, it's legal to keep them on those.

lmfao, Idk about that. It think using old bases when the bases have been changed/updated is kind of underhanded. Also, I imagine it can be an issue in organized play.

Personally, I wouldn't use square bases for my army, but in a non-tournament game I wouldn't care at all if my opponent used square bases.

Unless their was something amazingly absurd about one of the bases...

I would prefer that 40k demons were on round bases, and since you can find round base specific movement trays for fantasy for very cheap, I see no reason why you shouldn't use round bases.

I would definitely still play against you, just for some reason I find square bases incredibly ugly and just irritating to look at.

Sasori wrote:Bases would be a deal breaker for me. I'd prefer them to be on an appropriate sized circular base.

Not saying that I wouldn't' play with you, but I'd really not like the Square base aspect, even if it's only one model.

juraigamer wrote:I would prefer that 40k demons were on round bases, and since you can find round base specific movement trays for fantasy for very cheap, I see no reason why you shouldn't use round bases.

What about models that have no round base at all? I field 2 squads of rough riders with my IG and they don't even make round(ed) cavalry bases.

They would go well with imperial guard or necron troops. Seeing them all lined up and square would look good.

It wouldn't be a deal breaker or anything; I field a few RT dreadnoughts on square bases since that's what they came with. Round bases look entirely better though.

Necroshea wrote:
lmfao, Idk about that. It think using old bases when the bases have been changed/updated is kind of underhanded. Also, I imagine it can be an issue in organized play.

I just don't see it, and the rule is pretty clear. If you bought and based your model fifteen years ago, then that base is still legal today no matter what the current incarnation is standing on.

Necroshea wrote:lmfao, Idk about that. It think using old bases when the bases have been changed/updated is kind of underhanded. Also, I imagine it can be an issue in organized play.

Not only is it not the slightest bit 'underhanded' it's exactly what the rules say to do. Technically, updating them would be breaking the rules unless your opponent agrees to it.

I don't give a damn what my opponent thinks now that I know the rules. It's like asking permission to fire or assault. The rule is there.

Yeh but the Daemons do create this sort of headache because of coming with both base types. So don't expect it to go through all the time and expect the few who feel that you must know their opinion to try and persuade you that you're "wrong".

If I remember correctly the rule is towards the front of the book, it may help later if arguments start up over it.

If your opponents give you a hard time about square bases, give them a hard time about anything you can.

Hey! Those Deathwing terminators aren't bone colored! You can't use them!

Hey! Those aren't actual sterngaurd models! You can't use them!

Hey! That plastic warboss doesn't have a squig model with him! You can use his extra attack!!!!

Just kidding... but maybe they'd see the stupidity of it.

Why not use LotR bases? They are circular, and can be placed on movement trays for WHFB.

Wouldn't matter to me. I much prefer the look of round bases in 40k, and my eye might twitch a little, but I'd willingly play against an opponent with square bases.

I have no problems with it. IF there was a need to be critical, we could always put a round base over the mini just like a round template and see.

I say it's perffectly fine, lets play and have fun. Otherwise people are just being anal about square bases.

If it's at least the size of the base it should be on, I really don't care. But the Emperor help you if I catch you using deliberately smaller bases.

Doesn't bother me.

It's not like the rulebook states what the 'legal' base shape and sizes are for various units, after all.

Then again, 8th ed fantasy doesn't either.

As for using "smaller" bases ...

I've still got RT eldar war walkers and IG sentinels on 40mm SQUARE monster bases.

Justus wrote:My friend told me that on page 3 it states that your model must be based on the base that comes with it. Naturally, that means it's my choice. Thanks guys!

Well, maybe not. Leaving daemons on square bases to play in 40k is just an easy way to dual purpose your army, and it's the only army in the GW line (really odd fan fluff notwithstanding) that can be played in either setting out-of-box.
Naturally, that means that it's your choice which setting you want to run them in. want to dual purpose your army? Buy LotR movement trays. Easy fix.
It's the only army that comes with square and round bases. That doesn't mean you "get to choose" and your opponents just have to deal with it.
So on the soapbox I think it's a no-go.
Personally I'd play you anyway, regardless of bases.

Justus wrote:Frankly, I don't give a gak about his opinion in particular...
I'd like to hear your opinions...
Naturally, that means it's my choice. Thanks guys!

You did ask, bro.