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Which Immortal weapon is better Gauss Blaster or Tesla Carbine??

I have split feeling on both guns so i need some help.

one is ap - and 1 shot except on 6's when its 3 shots.

the other is ap 4 and 2 shots and gauss.

Situational really. Horde, I would choose tesla as I can fall back and keep the distance a bit better and widdle down their numbers. For tank hunting, absolutely the gauss since the glance on gauss is so beneficial.

Unless you are fighting MEQs. In that cause it doesn't matter.

By the time you do manage to churn out more gauss than tesla, it'll be too late.

I find Tesla to be more multi-purpose. It has longer range and can be fired on the move.

blaktoof wrote:one is ap - and 1 shot except on 6's when its 3 shots.

the other is ap 4 and 2 shots and gauss.

On average you can assume you need to fire 6 shots from a tesla to get 2 extra shots. So 8 shots total. 6 models firing gauss blasters is 12 shots...they are the same strength. Honestly unless you have loaded dice or believe in complete utter insane luck most of the time the gauss blaster is better.

In order for 6 models firing tesla carbines to equal the number of shots of 6 models firing gauss blasters you need to roll 3 6's on 6 dice to hit. Consider that 1 model rolling 1 die has a 16^ chance to roll a 6 and you need that to happen 3 times out of 6 to just be equal to the quality of guass fire. That is just to be equal to the shots fired from the guass blasters, and even then you are still firing at ap - and no gauss rule.

really there is no reason to ever use tesla on immortals.

You forget tesla = assault, gause = rapid fire. Good luck moving back and around while trying to shoot if your taking gauss. Now if your putting the unit with an overlord with phaeron gauss all the way is better.

Yes...but why would you spend over a 100 points and a HQ slot just to make them maneuverable?

Gauss Blasters are Rapid Fire FYI, so you're only getting those 2 shots when you're within 12".

Yeah I am still going with gauss blaster in every situation....

blaktoof wrote:Yeah I am still going with gauss blaster in every situation....

Have fun getting charged!

you could possible put a council member with Veil of Darkness and a lord with the Immortals then you have teleporting Relentless models on the field... possible good with Gauss blasters but still safe to do with Tesla.

Who wrote:you could possible put a council member with Veil of Darkness and a lord with the Immortals then you have teleporting Relentless models on the field... possible good with Gauss Cannons but still safe to do with Tesla.

You also gamble every time you deep strike so its a fun strat, but not something I would try too often in a tourny

its a scoring unit that can Deep Strike on Objectives i would do it every day in a tourny.

Yes, an objective that will most likely have enemies next to it and possibly in terrain.

Warriors are better if your just going to run gauss because you can put them in an ark to move around and fire... The vehicle also is able to fire at full range and move.

runmymouth wrote:Warriors are better if your just going to run gauss because you can put them in an ark to move around and fire... The vehicle also is able to fire at full range and move.

Wait what? Since when?

Nvm, I misread it.

Yeah, that is totally possible. 10 warriors + Ark = 30 shots at rapid fire.

And I like to run some 15 warriors on foot in front of it. That is a lot of gauss.

CthuluIsSpy wrote:

blaktoof wrote:Yeah I am still going with gauss blaster in every situation....

Have fun getting charged!

because immortals with a 24" gun are immune to charging....oh wait they arent'

yall act like because its assault 1 24" you can kite models around endlessly. Thats nice in a fantasy gamer mind world but not really the case during actual game play.

have fun not ignoring Dark Eldar/IG/Scout/Tau/Necron/Ork/Eldar Armor with your tesla weapons.

I would rather fire10 gaks and then 20 shots from 10 guys that are ap 4 once in a tournament at a charging unit then have 2-3 rounds of firing 10 shots that wont ignore their armor. Guess what 2 rounds of fire from the blasters = the shots you will probably get off with the tesla carbines.

AP4 and AP- have the same effect against MEQs.

Considering how I often play against MEQ, I usually work on countering them.

CthuluIsSpy wrote:

runmymouth wrote:Warriors are better if your just going to run gauss because you can put them in an ark to move around and fire... The vehicle also is able to fire at full range and move.

Wait what? Since when?

Nvm, I misread it.

Yeah, that is totally possible. 10 warriors + Ark = 30 shots at rapid fire.

And I like to run some 15 warriors on foot in front of it. That is a lot of gauss.

40 shots at rapid fire for 10 warriors + ark.

I have different meta :(

About half the armies are MEQ here and other half are various xenos.

runmymouth wrote:

CthuluIsSpy wrote:

runmymouth wrote:Warriors are better if your just going to run gauss because you can put them in an ark to move around and fire... The vehicle also is able to fire at full range and move.

Wait what? Since when?

Nvm, I misread it.

Yeah, that is totally possible. 10 warriors + Ark = 30 shots at rapid fire.

And I like to run some 15 warriors on foot in front of it. That is a lot of gauss.

40 shots at rapid fire for 10 warriors + ark.

No, 30. 20 from the warriors, 10 from the array. There are only 5 guns in each array, and you can only have one of them + the warriors fire at the same target.

I was against tesla weaponry, then I played against CSM khorne berserker list... against 16 of them I unleashed into them with 20 immortals (2x units of 10), I knocked them from 16 down to THREE.

The tesla proved its worth to me.

blaktoof wrote:I have different meta :(

About half the armies are MEQ here and other half are various xenos.

Really? Damn you're lucky. I have to fight the same damn army every time.

Yeah, in that case go blaster.

CthuluIsSpy wrote:

runmymouth wrote:

CthuluIsSpy wrote:

runmymouth wrote:Warriors are better if your just going to run gauss because you can put them in an ark to move around and fire... The vehicle also is able to fire at full range and move.

Wait what? Since when?

Nvm, I misread it.

Yeah, that is totally possible. 10 warriors + Ark = 30 shots at rapid fire.

And I like to run some 15 warriors on foot in front of it. That is a lot of gauss.

40 shots at rapid fire for 10 warriors + ark.

No, 30. 20 from the warriors, 10 from the array. There are only 5 guns in each array, and you can only have one of them + the warriors fire at the same target.

I was going to say "The arrays can rapid fire as well." but then realized what you meant, you might be able to fire at a different target for another 10 shots at the same time but yea.

Cryage wrote:I was against tesla weaponry, then I played against CSM khorne berserker list... against 16 of them I unleashed into them with 20 immortals (2x units of 10), I knocked them from 16 down to THREE.

The tesla proved its worth to me.

Lucky Dice rolls really prove nothing. 20 Shots should generally give 6 additional hits + the 14 that should hit. Gives 20 which wound on a 3+, knocking it down to 14 wounds Killing maybe 5 after a 3+ armor save. Not exact math just using my head. If you rolled poor would you think they're terrible?

I'm more of a fan of Gauss personally due to being able to double tap. Stick a Relentless guy in there and shoot at the 24 in range and you'll slightly underperform tesla at 12.1-24" however 12" or less Gauss will shine.

jdjamesdean@mail.com wrote:

Cryage wrote:I was against tesla weaponry, then I played against CSM khorne berserker list... against 16 of them I unleashed into them with 20 immortals (2x units of 10), I knocked them from 16 down to THREE.

The tesla proved its worth to me.

Lucky Dice rolls really prove nothing. 20 Shots should generally give 6 additional hits + the 14 that should hit. Gives 20 which wound on a 3+, knocking it down to 14 wounds Killing maybe 5 after a 3+ armor save. Not exact math just using my head. If you rolled poor would you think they're terrible?

I'm more of a fan of Gauss personally due to being able to double tap. Stick a Relentless guy in there and shoot at the 24 in range and you'll slightly underperform tesla at 12.1-24" however 12" or less Gauss will shine.

And it better, because what the gauss doesn't kill in under 12", will be shooting back and then getting into CC where your immortals WILL die, or at best, be a tarpit

I had a squad of grey knight terminators that deepstriked next to an immortal squad their shooting took down two of them and after they charged the warscythe got the rest...

tedbpb wrote:I had a squad of grey knight terminators that deepstriked next to an immortal squad their shooting took down two of them and after they charged the warscythe got the rest...

What did the immortals have?

TESLA COILS.

Situational really.

I tend to run tesla now since i play a ton of meq.
But thats just me.
I also value the ability to fire while moving, since i rather not get assaulted by anything.

Only reason for gauss is really against 4+ now. (anything worse and the extra shots at range put tesla as the winner)
If you want gauss to glance, your doing it wrong.
Too many units / new toys to pop tanks with, gauss is only really good for adding a finishing touch if nothing else is a viable target.

Gauss is the better choice.

-Your going to be stationary most of the time until it is time to move.
- Put a phaeron in them, yes it means you put a person with them but really its the logical choice. Who is babysitting your very much not wanting to assault Stormlord, a CC unit?
- The enemy will get within 12 against your best wishes, Necrons arent THAT mobile. That means double shots.
- AP 4 helps in all commers list. Yes if your list tailoring MEQ your not always going to see a benefit however.... Scouts, Henchmen, ect.. all lists feature the 4+ save.
- Tesla AP - has NO chance against vehicles (if glance its on a -3). Gauss will reliably strip a vehicle after a bit of shooting and could wreck it with luck shooting.

Overall there is one situation where tesla will shine and its tenuous at best (since if your taking an overlord, hes probably babysitting, and might as well babysit a gauss unit). In every other situation tesla takes a back seat.


edit: type-o's


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With the above said the better choice clearly... is Warriors. they are far cheaper, they are your filler and they deal similar damage to either tesla or gauss.