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EDIT: Oh, if you know people who reads spanish and is interested in giant robots, this is one of the things I'm working on:

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Cool. Thanks for taking the time to reveal your super secret romance language skills. Colour me impressed. More impressed because language skills are frangible, so you must have the language down solid.

I use to be able to hold light conversational Japanese. Mostly platitudes, but it was enough, which I learnt as an Aikido senpai so that my Sensai wouldn't lose face with visiting Sensei from Tokyo who spoke Eastern Tokyo ben, whereas he spoke in Western Kyushu ben.

As a gaijin, even a batsugun gaijin desu, I have no face to lose.


That's mostly where I was at, honestly. I can say platitudes, talk about the weather and things like that and tourist stuff, plus a lor of weird obscure samurai stuff that makes japanese eye me askance ^^. I can't read it for gak, as I said, and I understand it for the most part when spoken, but above all I know when I know when the subs are wrong xD. I usually refer to it saing I know "donkey-cave japanese".

Likewise, I can only really speak spanish and english, but I usually understand well enough. In some places it's basically a survival skill, as there are parts of Valencia and Catalonia that won't speak to you in spanish to save their lives ^^
   
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there are parts of Valencia and Catalonia that won't speak to you in spanish to save their lives ^^


Well, given the history, nobody would blame them any more than anyone blames the Irish for not wanting to see an idiot in orange waving a Union Jack singing "God Save the Queen".

   
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So regarding layout for the RPG, a couple chapters have been posted with a test scheme.

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So regarding layout for the RPG, a couple chapters have been posted with a test scheme.


That certainly looks much easier to follow, so I'd call it a success . You might be losing a bit too much realstate with the borders, but being a digital file it doesn't really matter and it clearly spells out what's in the page.


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 Albertorius wrote:
there are parts of Valencia and Catalonia that won't speak to you in spanish to save their lives ^^


Well, given the history, nobody would blame them any more than anyone blames the Irish for not wanting to see an idiot in orange waving a Union Jack singing "God Save the Queen".


Well, being an donkey-cave and an idiot is one thing, trying to buy bread is quite another. And using languages to obfuscate communication or to be another, different kind of donkey-cave, is a pet peeve of mine.

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 Albertorius wrote:


That's mostly where I was at, honestly. I can say platitudes, talk about the weather and things like that and tourist stuff, plus a lor of weird obscure samurai stuff that makes japanese eye me askance ^^. I can't read it for gak, as I said, and I understand it for the most part when spoken, but above all I know when I know when the subs are wrong xD. I usually refer to it saing I know "donkey-cave japanese".

Likewise, I can only really speak spanish and english, but I usually understand well enough. In some places it's basically a survival skill, as there are parts of Valencia and Catalonia that won't speak to you in spanish to save their lives ^^


So stealing "donkey-cave Japanese," which it seems to be a replacement for 'arsehole' Japanese. Like you, I watch subbed anime and go, That's not what they said.


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Seems I bypassed the word filter with a British English spelling of donkey-cave.

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Those are even more clearly Gear-like, at least from the waist up. No SMS though, it seems, but jump jets? Skeet ^_^. Somebody should tell them about Terra Nova and how they deal with stuff that flies

The animus cockpit must be snug, what with that gun protruding from it.

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I actually like the look but, in my own princess and the pea sort of way, it strays a bit too close to gears and would be better suited to an experimental NuCoal design or somesuch. I understand though that it can easily be reasoned in the fluff that the second invasion equipment across all the invading factions was influenced by the victorious gears encountered during the first. I was ok with the previous one being very gear like because of the hoverball sled replacing the legs. YMMV. I can't fault the art though so I'm glad he's coming through for HG's Eden faction.



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The animus cockpit must be snug, what with that gun protruding from it.


The pilot either sits like a proper young lady from the 1950's

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or the pilot has adapted the Riker Maneuver for a recumbent position to avoid the gun mount.

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My own personal thought with the Animus, particularly in that red paintjob with those legs, was that it looked very Khador

I think regarding the pilot, the chest gun would be tucked under the pilots legs/feet, if the pilot is situated roughly similar to the Kodiak cockpit (best detailed example I can reference) with their feet against the center of the chest. Not sure if that's exactly how Eldon imagined that, but that's what I'd guess.

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I suppose that would depend on the size of the golem. Traditionally they were smaller than gears (especially a relative behemoth like the Kodiak) but that size can easily change with a faction update with new equipment.

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Stumbling back into this thread as I recently came across some metal HG minis in my lead pile. IIRC, I bought them around a decade ago because they were used/cheap and they looked cool. Got some infantry too.

Never did get around to assembling and painting them, but the original reasoning pretty much describes why I'm holding on to them now. Even though the gears don't fit a clear niche in my 1/144 Mech Attack forces (rebased MechWarrior clix) being too big for infantry and too small for battlemechs they really are cool figures with sort of a Votoms vibe about them. Maybe using one Gear as a squad of heavy infantry?

Quick question to the HG historians. I seem to recall about a decade or more ago seeing a nice lot of larger scale HG minis at a FLGS gaming auction. I don't remember the exact scale but I remember thinking they might be cool to field with my rebased 1/144 MechWarrior clix figures. I was quickly outbid, but the memory of the figs stuck around.

Can anyone let me know about how tall these early HG Gear figs would have been?

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Always good to have a new or returning voice in the thread. The larger scale gears you're likely thinking of were the first couple years worth of (1/87?) RAFM releases that were replaced with the tactical scale 1/144 line in the late 90s around the release of the 2nd edition of the rpg. Around 2005ish, the tactical scale minis were replaced with the Blitz scale line that came out with the same named edition of the game. They were ostensibly the same scale but less exactly proportioned to the art (more exaggerated instead) with a wider variance in relative size difference between classes of gears (scout, trooper, elite, fire support) which made it noticeably smaller scale for scouts and larger for the big guys. Around 2016, they crowdfunded plastic gears with the release of a new edition (still called blitz but generally referred by me at least as nublitz) still in the same scale. There is significant overlap between the eras other than the initial RAFM which were incompatible due to their noticeably larger size.

Here's an old pic I took comparing similar gears in both with the blitz era metals in front and rafm in back like a grade school class photo.


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Oh man, those RAFM figs are cool. Looks like they would be credible Light -maybe even medium- mechs along side MWDA figs.

I'm pretty sure the metal stuff I have is Blitz, but if I dig it out again, I'll post here and you all can let me know what I've got. I know the infantry is Blitz, but the Gears came in a multi-section recloseable blister pack with no other paper or markings.

Really got to get around to painting these and the handful of metal CAVs I've got in the pile...

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Stumbling back into this thread as I recently came across some metal HG minis in my lead pile. IIRC, I bought them around a decade ago because they were used/cheap and they looked cool. Got some infantry too.

Never did get around to assembling and painting them, but the original reasoning pretty much describes why I'm holding on to them now. Even though the gears don't fit a clear niche in my 1/144 Mech Attack forces (rebased MechWarrior clix) being too big for infantry and too small for battlemechs they really are cool figures with sort of a Votoms vibe about them. Maybe using one Gear as a squad of heavy infantry?
Protomechs! In-universe, gears are even about the same size as a protomech.
   
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Protomechs! In-universe, gears are even about the same size as a protomech.

Funny you should mention Protomechs. That was my first thought, but looking at the relative unit options in Mech Attack ( my preferred ruleset for Lance vs Lance Battletech'ish combat) I'm not sure how I could shoehorn them in. Might be worth a try though as the unit building mechanics are pretty flexible even beyond their recommended limits.

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 Firebreak wrote:
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Stumbling back into this thread as I recently came across some metal HG minis in my lead pile. IIRC, I bought them around a decade ago because they were used/cheap and they looked cool. Got some infantry too.

Never did get around to assembling and painting them, but the original reasoning pretty much describes why I'm holding on to them now. Even though the gears don't fit a clear niche in my 1/144 Mech Attack forces (rebased MechWarrior clix) being too big for infantry and too small for battlemechs they really are cool figures with sort of a Votoms vibe about them. Maybe using one Gear as a squad of heavy infantry?
Protomechs! In-universe, gears are even about the same size as a protomech.


Well, a bit bigger than that ^^. Protomechs were Battletech's response to the (at the time) popularity of Heavy Gear, though.

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 Eilif wrote:
Stumbling back into this thread as I recently came across some metal HG minis in my lead pile. IIRC, I bought them around a decade ago because they were used/cheap and they looked cool. Got some infantry too.

Never did get around to assembling and painting them, but the original reasoning pretty much describes why I'm holding on to them now. Even though the gears don't fit a clear niche in my 1/144 Mech Attack forces (rebased MechWarrior clix) being too big for infantry and too small for battlemechs they really are cool figures with sort of a Votoms vibe about them. Maybe using one Gear as a squad of heavy infantry?
Protomechs! In-universe, gears are even about the same size as a protomech.


Well, a bit bigger than that ^^. Protomechs were Battletech's response to the (at the time) popularity of Heavy Gear, though.


Actually, it varies from individual unit to individual unit. I don't think a Cheetah is going to be bigger than a Sprite or Hobgoblin, but a Black Mamba would probably be a bit bigger than a Cecerops or a Harpy.

Tech-wise, MUCH different, Protomechs requiring some significant surgery to pilot them, either for neural links or losing all four limbs to fit in to the cockpit (with cybernetics provided when not piloting the machine). Meanwhile Gear pilots are closer to how Tau Crisis Suits are, sitting in the chest area.

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 Charistoph wrote:
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 Eilif wrote:
Stumbling back into this thread as I recently came across some metal HG minis in my lead pile. IIRC, I bought them around a decade ago because they were used/cheap and they looked cool. Got some infantry too.

Never did get around to assembling and painting them, but the original reasoning pretty much describes why I'm holding on to them now. Even though the gears don't fit a clear niche in my 1/144 Mech Attack forces (rebased MechWarrior clix) being too big for infantry and too small for battlemechs they really are cool figures with sort of a Votoms vibe about them. Maybe using one Gear as a squad of heavy infantry?
Protomechs! In-universe, gears are even about the same size as a protomech.


Well, a bit bigger than that ^^. Protomechs were Battletech's response to the (at the time) popularity of Heavy Gear, though.


Actually, it varies from individual unit to individual unit. I don't think a Cheetah is going to be bigger than a Sprite or Hobgoblin, but a Black Mamba would probably be a bit bigger than a Cecerops or a Harpy.

Tech-wise, MUCH different, Protomechs requiring some significant surgery to pilot them, either for neural links or losing all four limbs to fit in to the cockpit (with cybernetics provided when not piloting the machine). Meanwhile Gear pilots are closer to how Tau Crisis Suits are, sitting in the chest area.


Not really... Cheetahs are actually only slightly smaller than Hunters, it's just the current batch of minis had size differences exxagerated. A Cheetah is less than one head shorter than a Hunter (4.1 m vs. 4.3 m) and very slightly wider (3.3 m vs. 3 m), while being about a ton lighter. Jaguars and Mambas are again very slighttly bigger than troopers and about a ton heavier, and the biggest difference would be on the support gears, which are usually about half a meter taller than the elites and about three tons heavier, near the ten tons.

Protomechs are similar in size but with a wider range, from 2 tons to 15 (the two tonners would be smaller than many powered armors of the setting). So, the examples you gave. The Sprite (10 tons) is a bout the size of a Grizzly, whereas the Hobgoblin at 15 tons is bigger than any Gear. Then again, the Hobgoblin is as big as seven Harpy protomechs, so...

Piloting Gears is indeed much different from piloting protos, but also from piloting tau suits, which are handled more like suits of powered armor, while Gears are handled more like vehicles with the neural net handling all the "natural movement" parts.

That is different on the bigger tau suits, though, and the Ghostkeel is a dead ringer for a Heavy Gear, up to the "head-in-head" design, but the smaller suits are suits.

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Have golems officially been "gears" before or is that new? Or just loose use of nomenclature on his part as an artist?

These golems are the Druid, a technical gear, and the Warlock, an electronics warfare gear.


I wonder if that tank strider is one that the North was supposed to get but Saleem yoinked it for his PRDF last minute. It's been a few computers and at least one hard drive failure since then so I don't know if I have the files anymore. *casts Summon Smilodon Lv1 spell*

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 warboss wrote:
Have golems officially been "gears" before or is that new? Or just loose use of nomenclature on his part as an artist?

These golems are the Druid, a technical gear, and the Warlock, an electronics warfare gear.


I wonder if that tank strider is one that the North was supposed to get but Saleem yoinked it for his PRDF last minute. It's been a few computers and at least one hard drive failure since then so I don't know if I have the files anymore. *casts Summon Smilodon Lv1 spell*


No, golems were not Gears. Similar, but not the same, and this is actually the third redesign.

As a general fact golems were smaller than gears, more landmates than small vehicles, more worn than piloted. Also, no ONNets, obviously.

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 Albertorius wrote:

No, golems were not Gears. Similar, but not the same, and this is actually the third redesign.

As a general fact golems were smaller than gears, more landmates than small vehicles, more worn than piloted. Also, no ONNets, obviously.


Thanks. That's what I thought but frankly my biggest experience was in early 1st edition HG where they didn't exist. By the time other world books came out, I was out post minis/edition flip flop.

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DP9 posted up more of their new Eden / Utopian force artwork and surprisingly the PRDF Hyena MK2 tank strider.

Really hyped for the tankstrider since I collect PRDF too
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Is the Harrier gear new too? Hopefully that'll be metal.

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Is the Harrier gear new too? Hopefully that'll be metal.


The harrier is already out and in metal, though the poses are kinda meh

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The harrier is already out and in metal, though the poses are kinda meh

https://store.dp9.com/hgb/peace-river?product_id=1503


Thanks. It looks different from what I remember from the (admittedly single pic of) art from just prior to nublitz. I'll have to double check that though as I could be wrong.

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Duymon wrote:

The harrier is already out and in metal, though the poses are kinda meh

https://store.dp9.com/hgb/peace-river?product_id=1503


Thanks. It looks different from what I remember from the (admittedly single pic of) art from just prior to nublitz. I'll have to double check that though as I could be wrong.
The chest came out particularly wide relative to the artwork, the central torso plate (where the pilots feet would nominally rest against) is relatively small and square in the art, it's like double the width on the sculpt and more rectangular.

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 Vaktathi wrote:
 warboss wrote:
Duymon wrote:

The harrier is already out and in metal, though the poses are kinda meh

https://store.dp9.com/hgb/peace-river?product_id=1503


Thanks. It looks different from what I remember from the (admittedly single pic of) art from just prior to nublitz. I'll have to double check that though as I could be wrong.
The chest came out particularly wide relative to the artwork, the central torso plate (where the pilots feet would nominally rest against) is relatively small and square in the art, it's like double the width on the sculpt and more rectangular.


Thanks and I agree after taking a second look. The chest is the biggest difference along with the raised exhaust/inlet behind the head. For some reason I imagined it having more rounded corners on occasion also in the art but that doesn't seem to be the case and it's more similar than I initially thought. Regardless, I really prefer the artwork in this case. :( Obviously I know HG models haven't matched the art since the blitz era started but in this case I'd have preferred it. YMMV.


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