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Wargear: Shadowfield, ghostplate armour, blast pistol, plasma grenades, haywire grenades, void blade Soul Sapper - For every roll of a 5+ to wound, Durazanic heals a wound suffered in battle earlier in battle. Note that he cannot bypass the amount of wounds he had at the stat of the whole game
Special Rules: Fleet, Night Vision, Power from pain, Independent Character, Fearless, Arrogance, True Blood, Lightning tactics Arrogance - Any unit he is with always automatically pass morale tests True Blood - Kabalite Trueborn become troop choices Lightning Tactics - Seizes Initiative on a 5+
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I like it, though he looks a little too expensive. Then again I'm quite generous with points costs. Also, I'm a little confused by some of the rules:
Arrogance - Are you trying to say that even if the unit is fearless it must still pass morale tests? *and* The Void Blade - Though I understand the rules for simplicity sakes I just say it always wounds on a minimum 4+, with any rolls-to-wound on a 6 restoring wound to Sazd (through he can never go above his original wounds)
Otherwise, good work.
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Change the name on the Void Blade. It's been taken by the Necrons.
Maybe call it Soul Drinker, or Life Drinker.
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Vect is also the oldest most badass tactician in commoragh. He also costs the same and doesn't make trueborn troops as well as elites
A trueborn prince would be an archon, and on top of that he shouldnt sieze on a 4+, maybe a 5+.
And making trueborn maybe troops allows for an obscene ammount of darklight (each ofthe 9 slots could have any combination of 0-4 splinter cannons, 0-3 dark lances, 0-4 blasters). It's insanely abusable.
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Leon wrote:
WS-8/BS-8/S-3/T-3/W-3/I-8/A-5/Ld-10/Sv-4+
More attacks than a Succubus? No.
Leon wrote:
Soul Sapper - For every roll of a 5+ to wound, Durazanic heals a wound suffered in battle earlier in battle. Furthermore, when he is wounding toughness 5 or more models, he recovers a wound on a 4+
What if those rolls don't actually wound anything? For example, he needs a 6 to wound something that is Toughness 5 with his Strength 3. Why would a 4+ on that roll give him a wound back?
Leon wrote:
Arrogance - Any unit he is with MUST pass morale tests
You mean "Any unit he is with automatically passes morale tests." Your wording doesn't work since most units don't have a choice.
And what's a void blade? You don't have its rules listed anywhere. Assuming it's anything aside from a regular power weapon, this guy is too cheap.
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This is an actual rule in the actual rulebook. Quit whining about how you can imagine someone's army touching you in a bad place and play by the actual rules.
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Special Rules: Fleet Night Vision Power from Pain Independent Character - Move Through Cover - Skilled Rider Fearless Arrogance Lightning Tactics
Options: Soul Sapper: For every roll of a 5+ to wound, Durazanic heals a wound suffered in battle earlier in battle. Furthermore, when he is wounding toughness 5 or more models, he recovers a wound on a 4+
Arrogance: Any unit he is with MUST pass morale tests
Lightning Tactics: Sard seizes Initiative on a 4+
You've basically taken Vect, dropped the Dais option, reduced it by one wound and removed ancient nemesis then made him confer fearless to his squad and allow 6 extra units of trueborn and made it so he can wade into close combat and heal any wounds he has.
Firstly, the way you've worded it you don't need to cause wounds only hit then roll a 4+ or 5+, at WS8 he's probably going to hit 4-5 times, and heal 2-3 wounds a round of combat. To kill him you'd need to instant death him or inflict 3 wounds past a 2+ invun a round. Secondly, the gear and extra rules you've given are not offset by the -1 wound and losing re-rolls to wound against eldar and DE.
So, lets look at Vect to start, who you've basically taken then.. improved. Asdrubael Vect
Spoiler:
FO: HQ Squad: Asdrubael Vect Unit: Asdrubael Vect, Points Per: 240, Models: 1*, Unit Type: Infantry, WS-8, BS-8, S-3, T-3, W-4, I-8, A-5(6), Ld-10, Sv-4+(6+*)/2+*. Wargear: Shadow Field Ghostplate Armour Splinter Pistol Plasma Grenades Haywire Grenades Obsidian Orbs Sceptre of the Dark City
Special Rules: Fleet Night Vision Power from Pain Independent Character - Move Through Cover - Skilled Rider Fearless Master Tactician Ancient Nemesis
Options: Asdrubael Vect can be mounted on: > The Dais of Destruction 200
Obsidian Orbs: Asdrubael Vect carries extremely advanced spheres of soul-tech known as obsidian orbs. Range-12", Str-10*, AP-3, Type-Assault 1, Blast. * Roll against the enemy's Leadership instead of their Toughness. Models without a Leadership value are unaffected. Each wound caused by an obsidian orb will heal a wound Vect has suffered earlier in the battle.
Sceptre of the Dark City: This ornate sceptre of office contains sophisticated pain-inducers. It is a power weapon that always wounds on a 3+.
Master Tactician: Vect seizes the initiative on the roll of a 4+.
Ancient Nemesis: Vect knows the weaknesses of every living thing, and those of his own race most thoroughly of all. He has the Preferred Enemy rule against all units. Against Eldar or Dark Eldar units, Vect also re-rolls failed To Wound rolls.
The Dais of Destruction: The Dais of Destruction must begin the game carrying nine models in addition to Vect himself.
Then let's build your guys equivalent from a standard Archon. Archon
Special Rules: Fleet Night Vision Power from Pain Independent Character - Move Through Cover - Skilled Rider
Then assume 10pts per additional point of stat, that's another 30 for 205 (Vect would be 200). So we assume 40 points for the additional rules on vect, making the base yours should be at least 250. Then we add in the ability to take 9 squads of trueborn. That's got to be worth at least 30 or 40 points, so I'd assume 280-290 at least for the cost.
Also, with the True Blood Rule you can take up to 9 Kabalite Trueborn squads. a Venom with 3 Trueborn, 4 Blasters, 2 Splinter Cannons and a Flickerfield is 156pts Which is effectively a Ravager, with 2 SC that can shoot something else.
You can fit that guy, 6 Blaster Venoms and 3 Ravagers in 1500pts. At 2k you get 9 Blaster venoms and 3 ravagers.
I'd propose a mix of better Dracon and worse vect and locking it to trueborn as troops at the least. Something Like: Durazanic Sard, Trueborn Prince
Special Rules: Fleet Night Vision Power from Pain Independent Character - Move Through Cover - Skilled Rider Fearless Indomitable Arrogance Lightning Tactics
Options: Soul Reaper: The Soul Reaper is a Poisoned Weapon (4+). For each wound Durazanic causes roll a D6. For each roll of 6 Durazanic gains a wound he lost earlier in the battle.
Indomitable Arrogance: Any unit Sard joins automatically passes any morale checks.
Lightning Tactics: Sard seizes Initiative on a 5+
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I think his WS should be 6 (after all, he is a TRUEBORN prince), and keep his BS at 8. Also put his attacks at 4.
Also, decrease his initiative to 7.
You should also make him actually shooty, not choppy.
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Ovion wrote:Technically a prince would be a Dracon but I wasnt going to mention that *whistles*
Good point.
I would probably reduce this character's WS from 7 to 4, BS from 7 to 4, wounds from 3 to 1, initiative from 7 to 5, and leadership to 9 from 10.
If he is a particularly notorious prince I would consider looking at Duke Sliscus's statline... but as your character is a mere Prince I would definitely not have him be stronger than the Duke.
The fact that your character costs 1.5 to 3 times as many points as all the other notorious DE characters should be a big fat warning sign to you. The fact that he costs as many points as Asdrubael vect himself should make you realize that your Prince has gone off the deep end.
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One of my DE extended codex Special Characters is a dinosaur if that helps.
He costs 100pts and poops old style warpbeasts when he dies.
Infact.. I just had an idea for a new unit.. mayhaps a gargantuan creature or just MC that actually craps out warp beasts (not that I'm stealing any ideas from nids or anything...)
but I wasnt going to mention that *whistles*