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**Deraiderspam**

What do you think guys?

3 Haemonculi
Liquifier Gun

4 Kabalite Trueborns
4 Blasters
Venom
Splinter Cannon

4 Kabalite Trueborns
4 Blasters
Venom
Splinter Cannon

4 Kabalite Trueborns
4 Blasters
Venom
Splinter Cannon

9 Wyches
Hekatrix
Agoniser
Haywire Grenades
Raider
Flickerfield

9 Wyches
Hekatrix
Agoniser
Haywire Grenades
Raider
Flickerfield

9 Wyches
Hekatrix
Agoniser
Haywire Grenades
Raider
Flickerfield

5 Kabalite Warriors
Blaster
Venom
Splinter Cannon

5 Kabalite Warriors
Blaster
Venom
Splinter Cannon

1 Beastmaster
5 Khymerae

1 Ravager
Flickerfield

1 Ravager
Flickerfield

1 Ravager
Flickerfield

**Brothererekose**

These lists are just one continual building of the other, so you're kinda spamming threads.

That said, all are reasonably good.

**Corollax**

The beastmasters seem kinda tacked on, without any real rhyme or reason. You should probably have at least 3 beast packs per FA slot, preferably to escort the Baron (so as to give them grenades).

Looks reasonably good otherwise.

**Ovion**

I'd be tempted to say drop the beasts, and give everything without flickerfields that you can, flickerfields.

**Corollax**

What are you talking about? Everything that can have flickerfields does. Venoms come with it by default.

**xambrien**

I am w/Corollax, the beastmaster do seem gratitous, maybe 3 bikes w/ a heatlance instead. Otherwis looks solid.

**Ovion**

Ok, apologies, I missed that and forgot the venoms flickers.
Blame it on stupid o'clock and apperently lacking enough awake to give advice. Having made myself look like a fool, I'll be going to sleep now.

**Corollax**

Don't feel bad about it. Everyone makes mistakes.

Edit: Also, I love your avatar.

**Deraiderspam**

Ok, The beasts were just kinda.. Spare points anyone? but I Can see where your coming from, Might just go for 8 Night shields spread around instead, probably do a better job

**Ovion**

Thanks on the Avatar.

I like Night Shields, they're rather useful overall.

Also, if you have the spare points after shock prows on the raiders / ravagers are worth considering.

Once they've dropped cargo / lose their lance(s) become S10 missiles that ignore terrain, cover and can't miss, with a 1in3 chance of doing it again.

**Eyclonus**

Shock Prows are great to stick on Raiders, Ravagers not so much because the Tri-Lances have better averages and don't risk damaging yourself, when you do add Shock Prows, get Aethersails too. That way you can Ram from quite a long distance with the Raiders and pick up more strength for the hit.

The Beastmaster doesn't fit, you should take large packs or no packs. Also, at least in Australia, Beastpacks are expensive to build using official models, for us every model except the Clawed Fiend costs $25, the Fiend is $37..

**Ovion**

There's no actual need for aethersails in regards to strength of the hit as at 30" you're at Str10 for the hit anyway, and you gain +D3 Str from the prow, even without sails it's a potential Str15 hit anyway, maxing at 10.

The extra range is nice, but IMO it's not that hot as it's only a sure extra 2" and you could always fall short on that, I prefer knowing it's going to hit myself.

**Deraiderspam**

Ahh ok

Ive dicided to remove the Beastmasters and replace them with Night shields on the Raiders and Venoms, therefore adding the ability to survive rapidfire and melta's a little better. Ravagers Don't really need them as much. My New List

3 Haemonculi
Liquifier Gun

4 Kabalite Trueborns
4 Blasters
Venom
Splinter Cannon
Night Shield

4 Kabalite Trueborns
4 Blasters
Venom
Splinter Cannon
Night Shield

4 Kabalite Trueborns
4 Blasters
Venom
Splinter Cannon
Night Shield

9 Wyches
Hekatrix
Agoniser
Haywire Grenades
Raider
Flickerfield
Night Shield

9 Wyches
Hekatrix
Agoniser
Haywire Grenades
Raider
Flickerfield
Night Shield

9 Wyches
Hekatrix
Agoniser
Haywire Grenades
Raider
Flickerfield
Night Shield

5 Kabalite Warriors
Blaster
Venom
Splinter Cannon
Night Shield

5 Kabalite Warriors
Blaster
Venom
Splinter Cannon
Night Shield

1 Ravager
Flickerfield

1 Ravager
Flickerfield

1 Ravager
Flickerfield

**Ovion**

Looks better.
Especially now with the new 'crons I see night shields becoming an even better option still as they have alot of hard-hitting short/mid-range weapons.

**Akroma06**

See I don't like nightshields for the same reason. Mid range weapons. If I can hit you with my blaster then you can hit me. If its on something with a dark lance a LC can hit me if I can hit it.

As what to do with the points...I'd get each wych squad a flail and think about 3 reavers with a blaster, not a heat lance.

**Deraiderspam**

Yeah, I have 82 Points to spend, and the Idea with night shields isn't really to try and get out of range, it's to reduce the range of the rapid fire 6" making your vehicles theoretically 50% more durable to rapid fire weapons, which can be a pain with armour 10, It would definatley either be Night shields or the Reaver Squad, but I just think the squad is a kill point that can be taken with a single flamer really :/

**Akroma06**

Yes and no...look I can't stand reavers. I much prefer scourges but that is the beauty of blasters. You start each turn 24" away from your target. You are an eldar jetbike after all remember? With a 36" turbo as well you should ignore flamers. I believe they can also DS as well for survivability. Would you sac an 81 point unit pop a 150 LRBT or a manticore, or a predator? I would. Most bolters while theoretically can destroy a raiders it is unlikely...even pulse rifles are still unlikely...then again tau have much better AT guns.

**p_gray99**

Plenty of wyches... Night Shields not stupidly good (see below)... Reasonable number of warriors that could be combined into one slinter squad with a raider... spare HQ slot...

Can't help thinking that Sliscus would have potential in this army. I'm not saying take him for certain, but when testing this army perhaps try him out alongside the other options, see how he does. You never know, he might work well for you, and if the opponent sets up well in a battle with barely any terrain on the table, the deep strike can come in handy. Why not give it a go?

Anyway, I usually use night shields, but am thinking of stopping using them. They've only ever helped me once: most enemies have range 48" AT weapons, while the dark eldar tanks only have 36" range. This means you need to get inside their range to do anything. Not worth it, at 10pts each. 80pts for perhaps one boat per turn? IMO, they're worth 40pts each.

**Deraiderspam**

I'll put all your views into concideration when trialling my army, thank you so much for the help, I am extremely greatful for all your posts and the in depth responses, I shall report back ASAP when I have a few test arounds

**Leon**

gak that is a heck of a lot of anti-tank...

**Deraiderspam**

To be fair Darklances arn't great anti tank weapons :/

**Leon**

But 12 blasters in addition to the dark lances, which are pro anti-tank weapons will make a mech player sweat

**BrainDeleted**

82 pts you say? Why, that's almost the exact cost of three Reavers w/ heat lance.

I like the heat lance personally...Reavers have the mobility to get into that 9" melta sweet spot where you get 2D6 on 12 av tops with your str 6 shot. They're a one shot wonder anyway, why not get real close? +5 on a D6 to pen av12 with the blaster, +7 on 2D6 to pen that with the heat lance if you really stick it in there. That chances are slightly better. Oh wait, you're AP1 too! The only AP 1 in the codex that can threaten vehicles outside of Harlequin units! Wheee.

I don't normally like Reavers very much but if the shoe fits?

**Eyclonus**

Ovion wrote:There's no actual need for aethersails in regards to strength of the hit as at 30" you're at Str10 for the hit anyway, and you gain +D3 Str from the prow, even without sails it's a potential Str15 hit anyway, maxing at 10.

The extra range is nice, but IMO it's not that hot as it's only a sure extra 2" and you could always fall short on that, I prefer knowing it's going to hit myself.

Actually you're wrong, given the basics of a thing called Statistical Probability, you get reliably 50% of the time an extra 7". Falling short is bad, but also just as likely to get above 7", so you're going to get the movement in more often then not. I'm not saying its as reliable an anti-tank option as the Dark Lance, just that after you lose a dark lance and the Wracks/Wyches/Incubi are in combat, the Raider is pretty much crap.

**Deraiderspam**

Well I'll give it some play testing and see how it goes, might just get the battle force as an expansion so I can play about with the bikes because they're relativley free

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Well I'll give it some play testing and see how it goes, might just get the battle force as an expansion so I can play about with the bikes because they're relativley free

**Drazhar_Incubus2512**

you've got a lot of AT, gonna pop those blessed hull land raiders quickly

**Ovion**

Eyclonus wrote:
Ovion wrote:There's no actual need for aethersails in regards to strength of the hit as at 30" you're at Str10 for the hit anyway, and you gain +D3 Str from the prow, even without sails it's a potential Str15 hit anyway, maxing at 10.

The extra range is nice, but IMO it's not that hot as it's only a sure extra 2" and you could always fall short on that, I prefer knowing it's going to hit myself.

Actually you're wrong, given the basics of a thing called Statistical Probability, you get reliably 50% of the time an extra 7". Falling short is bad, but also just as likely to get above 7", so you're going to get the movement in more often then not. I'm not saying its as reliable an anti-tank option as the Dark Lance, just that after you lose a dark lance and the Wracks/Wyches/Incubi are in combat, the Raider is pretty much crap.

You realise you confirmed my point... you're only garunteed an extra 2". 50% chance of getting 7" isnt garunteed, 100% chance would be. Sure you're likely going to get more than 2" and plenty of people are willing to take that risk or work from the probable average, personally I like to cut it down to as few variables as possible.

**Deraiderspam**

Well, Its armour 10 and not a tank so nothing extra for that, moving 24" (I'm guessing) gives you strength 8, Shockprow gives you the +D3 so its a 66.67% chance of being strength 10, and really strength 9 is plenty, so I don't believe aethersails are very important, it's just being far enough away not being to far away

**Corollax**

I'm not a big of ramming as a maneuver. Shock prows are really more useful for tank shocking infantry.

I might get some disagreement, but I'm not thrilled by a maneuver which kills me more often than my opponent.

**Ovion**

Deraiderspam wrote:Well, Its armour 10 and not a tank so nothing extra for that, moving 24" (I'm guessing) gives you strength 8, Shockprow gives you the +D3 so its a 66.67% chance of being strength 10, and really strength 9 is plenty, so I don't believe aethersails are very important, it's just being far enough away not being to far away

DE vehicles are fast skimmers with enhanced engines, they can turboboost 36"

Shock Prow gives +D3 to the hit.
Moving 36" gives +12 to the hit.
Capped at a str 10 hit that means you're garunteed a str 10 hit from 27"+.