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Hi All,

I recently played someone who placed there wizard in the second rank.
full command and two heroes front rank and then placed wizard in second rank. He then argued that he could still cast spells?????

Can someone please enlighten me as i cant find a rule for this.

Thanks

Perfectly legal. The wizard will have to get in the front rank as soon as the champion or one of the heroes dies, but until then he's free to toss spells from behind his beefy friends.

P. 97, "Position in the unit" in the rulebook.

Edit: Magic missiles are the only spells that need line of sight, and the wizard can use the model in front of him for that (as for regular shooting). Other spells might have their own limitations that make casting them from the second rank difficult (The Burning Head from Lore of Fire, for example). Augments and hexes work just as they would from the front rank.

Yep i understood this but were does it say he can cast magic?

wouldnt the front rank block line of sight?

Whenever he actually needst LOS he can draw it from the model infront just like for shooting.

yes he argued this but i wasnt sure without a rule....if so i would use it with my eternal guard

my club is vey tournament so really need to present the facts....sorry for being a pain

Where does it say he can cast magic? In his general rules stating he can. FInd a rule saying being on the secnod rank stops this - if they cannot then he can still cast.

.superted. wrote:Yep i understood this but were does it say he can cast magic?

Where does it say he can't?

If he can draw regular LOS (p.10) he can cast anything that needs LOS. If spells don't need it, it doesn't matter. Casters can be in the like...5th rank or whatever, if a unit is 1 wide with lots of heroes and such.

As was said page 97 also check page 31 under magic missiles "just as if the wizard was firing a missileweapon".

The spell you won't be able to cast from the second rank would be for example lore of shadow the penumbral pendulum because you would be hitting your own unit.

Hexs and augments you just need to be on range.

cowpow16 wrote:As was said page 97 also check page 31 under magic missiles "just as if the wizard was firing a missileweapon".

The spell you won't be able to cast from the second rank would be for example lore of shadow the penumbral pendulum because you would be hitting your own unit.

Hexs and augments you just need to be on range.

Page 31 has the line i wanted to see. so can cast

one more question then. To move my wizard into front rank do i have to do a reform or can he move whenever he wants?

Thanks for the answers by the way. Main reason i love this site.

.superted. wrote:one more question then. To move my wizard into front rank do i have to do a reform or can he move whenever he wants?

Yes unless he makes way in CC, for what reason he'd do that i draw a blank.

Haha even woc sorcerers are beastly they still try not to get into cc. Atleast the way Iplay them.

Keep the caster out of cc as long as possible.

But yes as hover boy said either a reform or a make way.

Why does he have to reform to do that, arent characters free to change position in a unit during their movement phase?

Yah. During remaining moves. He can also charge out. It's on p. 101. But there's restrictions.

Thankyou for all the info....my eternal guard are looking quite mean at the moment