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When all comes to worse, the orks, chaos, dark eldar necrons and tyranids all close in on the rest, the eldar, tau and imperium may unite against it. Do you think this will end up happening? Please say so in the comments. I think that this will happen, and, if you look, has already started.

No way in hell. For many reasons:

1. Orks barely every team up with anyone, and even if they dont it wont before for long. Same with Necrons.

2. Nids dont even team up with other Nids, so why would they team up with those guys?

3. Dark Eldar hate nearly all of those races.

4. Tau and Imperium have a rocky relationship at best.

the orcs necrons and tyranids will never ally with anyone. When it comes down to it the orks may be the most numerous but they will never be sufficiently united to pose a threat to such an alliance. When the time comes, the end of days, there will be an alliance of men and elves to meet the threat of the dark lord. So it is written in the codex astartes, that the dark lord Ward will come, and shall bring with him his codex to rule all codecies. and the armies of man shall unite, the aspect warriors of the eldar shall appear in their craft worlds, the tau shall descend in their titans. And a mighty battle will be held at the foot of mt olympus mons against the stain of chaos and bad fluff. For against all odds and logic the fury of the tyranids shall descend on the home of the mechanicum at the direction of the dark lord abeddon, and there shall be a great sundering of equal measure, as the might of bolters and pulse rifles is unleashed on the stain of demons and fleshborers. The star child and his mighty primarchs shall return, and descend on the battlefield in the direst of hours to face the oncoming threat of his mutated children. And as hope seems victorious, the dark lord shall take to the field. He will warp the very fabric of reality, rewriting history with every step to sell more models. And so necrons, who before had no interest in the wars of mortals, shall descend due to the invasion of the private territories of his master Amanhotek, lord of the dead. And The dark lord Ward shall weild these changed necrons as a mighty club to sunder the forces of man, striking down the star child in a single mighty blow, sundering apart the souls of Russ and Johnson, for they are never as mighty as the ultramarines in the eyes of Ward. But this nepotism shall prove the dark lords undoing, as it will allow Marneus Calgar the chance to strike, stabbing his mighty fists through the body of ward. But even this betrayal shall not phase the dark lord, who shall tear Calgar asunder, removing his very being from his body, stripping him of his history, his stats, his wargear, reducing him to nought but a marine...and in this seemingly helpless state, the Dark lord shall seek to strike down Calgar...and in his desperation, the once great leader of the ultramarines shall take up the shattered sword of his progenator the star child, and shall tear asunder the limbs of the dark lord, separating his nonexistent form from its one tether to reality:
The one codex.
And at that the Dark lord shall be defeated, and reality returned to normal...the tyranids shall be slain by the might of the mechanicum on mars, chaos once again beaten back before the unfearing might of man...and the necrons shall depart, the idea of fighting those they had once fought alongside leaving a bad taste in their nectrontyr mouths.
At which point humanity, in its hubris, shall attack the eldar and the tau, and attempt to purge the xenos from the galaxy. At this, they will be defeated, for the ways of the eldar are vast, and largely unknown to man, and it will seem that man is doomed to extinction, until the now broken Calgar tosses the Codex into the fires of mount olympus mons, and returns reality to as it should be:
the emperor, unbroken, marching beside his sons to establish the imperium, the eldar, retrieving their homeworlds from the eye, repairing the webway and its fractured state, the tau, discovering the ways of the warp, and deciding that such evil is not for them, choosing to instead find new ways of FTL.
And so the age of the imperium is ended, and the Golden Age of the Galaxy is begun.

dbsamurai wrote:the orcs necrons and tyranids will never ally with anyone. When it comes down to it the orks may be the most numerous but they will never be sufficiently united to pose a threat to such an alliance. When the time comes, the end of days, there will be an alliance of men and elves to meet the threat of the dark lord. So it is written in the codex astartes, that the dark lord Ward will come, and shall bring with him his codex to rule all codecies. and the armies of man shall unite, the aspect warriors of the eldar shall appear in their craft worlds, the tau shall descend in their titans. And a mighty battle will be held at the foot of mt olympus mons against the stain of chaos and bad fluff. For against all odds and logic the fury of the tyranids shall descend on the home of the mechanicum at the direction of the dark lord abeddon, and there shall be a great sundering of equal measure, as the might of bolters and pulse rifles is unleashed on the stain of demons and fleshborers. The star child and his mighty primarchs shall return, and descend on the battlefield in the direst of hours to face the oncoming threat of his mutated children. And as hope seems victorious, the dark lord shall take to the field. He will warp the very fabric of reality, rewriting history with every step to sell more models. And so necrons, who before had no interest in the wars of mortals, shall descend due to the invasion of the private territories of his master Amanhotek, lord of the dead. And The dark lord Ward shall weild these changed necrons as a mighty club to sunder the forces of man, striking down the star child in a single mighty blow, sundering apart the souls of russ and guilman, for they are never as mighty as the ultramarines in the eyes of Ward. But this nepotism shall prove the dark lords undoing, as it will allow Marneus Calgar the chance to strike, stabbing his mighty fists through the body of ward. But even this betrayal shall not phase the dark lord, who shall tear Calgar asunder, removing his very being from his body, stripping him of his history, his stats, his wargear, reducing him to nought but a marine...and in this seemingly helpless state, the Dark lord shall seek to strike down Calgar...and in his desperation, the once great leader of the ultramarines shall take up the shattered sword of his progenator the star child, and shall tear asunder the limbs of the dark lord, separating his nonexistent form from its one tether to reality:
The one codex.
And at that the Dark lord shall be defeated, and reality returned to normal...the tyranids shall be slain by the might of the mechanicum on mars, chaos once again beaten back before the unfearing might of man...and the necrons shall depart, the idea of fighting those they had once fought alongside leaving a bad taste in their nectrontyr mouths.
At which point humanity, in its hubris, shall attack the eldar and the tau, and attempt to purge the xenos from the galaxy. At this, they will be defeated, for the ways of the eldar are vast, and largely unknown to man, and it will seem that man is doomed to extinction, until the now broken Calgar tosses the Codex into the fires of mount olympus mons, and returns reality to as it should be:
the emperor, unbroken, marching beside his sons to establish the imperium, the eldar, retrieving their homeworlds from the eye, repairing the webway and its fractured state, the tau, discovering the ways of the warp, and deciding that such evil is not for them, choosing to instead find new ways of FTL.
And so the age of the imperium is ended, and the Golden Age of the Galaxy is begun.

Win!

dbsamurai wrote:sundering apart the souls of russ and guilman, for they are never as mighty as the ultramarines

Err, Guilliman is the Primarch of the Ultramarines right

I tried to read that great block of text, but gave up as soon as I realized it was another Ward bash

I guess it was told tongue in cheek but still ...

Yes he is indeed. Which confuses me greatly.... Also, he called the Empy his prognetor, when really it is Gurlyman.

Progenitor.
1. A direct ancestor. See Synonyms at ancestor.
2. An originator of a line of descent; a precursor.
3. An originator; a founder: progenitors of the new music.


Considering the Emperor created the Primarches and the Space Marines

It is possible.

Eldar, Imperium and Tau have allied a LOT of times in the past against common threat.

Orks can be bought to fight for almost anyone.

Necrons can ally now.

Everybody else are on their own.

Tau live to be 'nice' to everyone, the elder would eather see it as a distraction so that they could all run or they would fight too for there own servival and the IoM... Well, they do whatever they want really. make use of the xenos then finnish off the bad guys when everyones all worn out.

The alliance makes no sense. Necrons would never ally with either Chaos or Nids. Nids don't ally with anyone. Chaos can barely ally with itself.

dbsamurai wrote:the orcs necrons and tyranids will never ally with anyone. When it comes down to it the orks may be the most numerous but they will never be sufficiently united to pose a threat to such an alliance. When the time comes, the end of days, there will be an alliance of men and elves to meet the threat of the dark lord. So it is written in the codex astartes, that the dark lord Ward will come, and shall bring with him his codex to rule all codecies. and the armies of man shall unite, the aspect warriors of the eldar shall appear in their craft worlds, the tau shall descend in their titans. And a mighty battle will be held at the foot of mt olympus mons against the stain of chaos and bad fluff. For against all odds and logic the fury of the tyranids shall descend on the home of the mechanicum at the direction of the dark lord abeddon, and there shall be a great sundering of equal measure, as the might of bolters and pulse rifles is unleashed on the stain of demons and fleshborers. The star child and his mighty primarchs shall return, and descend on the battlefield in the direst of hours to face the oncoming threat of his mutated children. And as hope seems victorious, the dark lord shall take to the field. He will warp the very fabric of reality, rewriting history with every step to sell more models. And so necrons, who before had no interest in the wars of mortals, shall descend due to the invasion of the private territories of his master Amanhotek, lord of the dead. And The dark lord Ward shall weild these changed necrons as a mighty club to sunder the forces of man, striking down the star child in a single mighty blow, sundering apart the souls of russ and guilman, for they are never as mighty as the ultramarines in the eyes of Ward. But this nepotism shall prove the dark lords undoing, as it will allow Marneus Calgar the chance to strike, stabbing his mighty fists through the body of ward. But even this betrayal shall not phase the dark lord, who shall tear Calgar asunder, removing his very being from his body, stripping him of his history, his stats, his wargear, reducing him to nought but a marine...and in this seemingly helpless state, the Dark lord shall seek to strike down Calgar...and in his desperation, the once great leader of the ultramarines shall take up the shattered sword of his progenator the star child, and shall tear asunder the limbs of the dark lord, separating his nonexistent form from its one tether to reality:
The one codex.
And at that the Dark lord shall be defeated, and reality returned to normal...the tyranids shall be slain by the might of the mechanicum on mars, chaos once again beaten back before the unfearing might of man...and the necrons shall depart, the idea of fighting those they had once fought alongside leaving a bad taste in their nectrontyr mouths.
At which point humanity, in its hubris, shall attack the eldar and the tau, and attempt to purge the xenos from the galaxy. At this, they will be defeated, for the ways of the eldar are vast, and largely unknown to man, and it will seem that man is doomed to extinction, until the now broken Calgar tosses the Codex into the fires of mount olympus mons, and returns reality to as it should be:
the emperor, unbroken, marching beside his sons to establish the imperium, the eldar, retrieving their homeworlds from the eye, repairing the webway and its fractured state, the tau, discovering the ways of the warp, and deciding that such evil is not for them, choosing to instead find new ways of FTL.
And so the age of the imperium is ended, and the Golden Age of the Galaxy is begun.

Two things: Why would Ward be leading the forces of Chaos when his followers are Ultramarines, Grey Knights and Necrons?
Why would Guilliman not be as good as the Ultramarines?

Are people this bad at reading? Really? He never said orks nids etc, would ally. Read properly before you post.

GOD.

My bad everyone. You are all correct, Guillman is the primarch of the Ultramarines..I wrote this last night at 230am when I was really freakin tired so My apologies. Yes it is technically a Ward bash but it's really the only way you could see so many armies uniting...since the "evil" armies don't really do that. If it's all so crazy to you I can go back and edit it so it says something different but then I'd render most of your comments how Guillman is primarch of the ultramarines moot.


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Thaanos wrote:Progenitor.
1. A direct ancestor. See Synonyms at ancestor.
2. An originator of a line of descent; a precursor.
3. An originator; a founder: progenitors of the new music.


Considering the Emperor created the Primarches and the Space Marines

Clearly you do not know the history of the star child lol...the Star Child is the Emperor Reborn in whole form rather than the crippled body he lives in now. Hence why I used progenator, to connect to those that don't know what the Star Child is that he is the Emperor, rather than another Blood Angel in gold.

There, fixed it, y'all happy now? now he's beating on Johnson. there you go, the lion is getting pounded, alllll cause y'all had to open yer mouths

Durza wrote:The alliance makes no sense. Necrons would never ally with either Chaos or Nids. Nids don't ally with anyone. Chaos can barely ally with itself.

that would be the point. Ward rewrites history against all logic with every step...I realize it IS a VERY large block of text but shouldn't it all be read before you question...you noticed that Guillman isn't the ultramarines after all...

Durza wrote:Two things: Why would Ward be leading the forces of Chaos when his followers are Ultramarines, Grey Knights and Necrons?
Why would Guilliman not be as good as the Ultramarines?

Yes...I am stupid, it is Guilliman...Beat me now
As far as why he would lead the forces of chaos...well he is sort of chaos embodied, with his ability to rewrite history he can make things however he wants...for a more emotional spin on things why would Sauron fight for the forces of Evil when he made the rings of power for the Elves, Men, Dwarves, and Wizards...control...when you lose control of things you tend to want to take it by force...
IDK it was meant more for the lulz and as a parody of LoTR more than anything else...he asked how the end would come it's the first thing I thought of in my lack of sleep state lol

Some of this thread operates under old thinking.

Necrons will ally with other races, they do so and have done so. They're more likely to be on the Imperial/Tau/Eldar end of this then the other now.

Anyway, Tyranids will never ally with anyone neither will the Orks as a whole as that would involve them having to unite. Tau aren't especially significant as an ally unless they're on the Eastern Fringe.

NOW they would... (some of them...silent king yes...some of the others? not so much...) but that was the machinations of ward...it almost seems like a retcon to cover for the fact that he allied BA and Necrons in the BA codex...I do like the new dimensions they have now but still...its...a bit? of a change...
but really they have the perfect thing going cause nothing any one army can muster can threaten the whole of the imperium...only a few worlds or so...hell even a hive fleet only threatened a sector, and it was stopped by less than 1000 space marines...and when you consider there are roughly a million space marines in existence you would need insanely large armies to attack, something akin to the uniting of the orks of the galaxy...which is nigh impossible simply because they tend to follow one dude, and if that one dude isn't there they fall apart (ghazghull anyone?)

dbsamurai wrote:

Durza wrote:The alliance makes no sense. Necrons would never ally with either Chaos or Nids. Nids don't ally with anyone. Chaos can barely ally with itself.

that would be the point. Ward rewrites history against all logic with every step...I realize it IS a VERY large block of text but shouldn't it all be read before you question...you noticed that Guillman isn't the ultramarines after all...

Sorry. Reading fail for me...

Durza wrote:Two things: Why would Ward be leading the forces of Chaos when his followers are Ultramarines, Grey Knights and Necrons?
Why would Guilliman not be as good as the Ultramarines?

Yes...I am stupid, it is Guilliman...Beat me now

Sorry, the only things that get beaten in these parts is dead horses.

As far as why he would lead the forces of chaos...well he is sort of chaos embodied, with his ability to rewrite history he can make things however he wants...for a more emotional spin on things why would Sauron fight for the forces of Evil when he made the rings of power for the Elves, Men, Dwarves, and Wizards...control...when you lose control of things you tend to want to take it by force...
IDK it was meant more for the lulz and as a parody of LoTR more than anything else...he asked how the end would come it's the first thing I thought of in my lack of sleep state lol

I guess I just got a bit worked up over a joke. Though it's happened before, so apologies again.

The only three factions I could see having a shaky alliance would be Imperium, Eldar and Tau. All of the rest are too hateful and/or are instinct animals (orks and nids).

edit: I too, am guilty of not reading correctly. My final answer would be, yes it's possible that the IoM, Eldar and Tau could form an alliance should it come down to that.

There was a great post in one of the BRBs (I wanna say 4th ed?) about an eldar saying how the tau were in many ways an innocent version of themselves...I think that would make them great allies in many respects...especially if the Tau began to use the webway

I have to say I don't really like the new thing about how necrons use the webway...I liked the older one about how they simply reduced all intertia on their ships to travel ftl...it was cool in a very science fiction impossible way Now it's like they're just piggybacking on the same impractical methods as space elves...

Soladrin wrote:Are people this bad at reading? Really? He never said orks nids etc, would ally. Read properly before you post.

GOD.

Glad I'm not the only one that noticed this...

Considering he said that ' the orks, chaos, dark eldar necrons and tyranids all close in on the rest', implying that they're not murdering each other, and that the Order forces will ally against 'it', implying a united front IMO, there's some wriggle room over whether on not they are allied.

The tau are too confined to do anything of galactic importance .

At the moment, but its only a matter of time before they contact a race thats willing to dontate ships/phykers so they can go ftl.

I can see where this is going, so take it here:
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/412954.page

Ledabot wrote:At the moment, but its only a matter of time before they contact a race thats willing to dontate ships/phykers so they can go ftl.

They already have one, the nicissar, a race of psykers that make Warlocks and Farseers look like your average guardsman. the fluff says thay're "too pure" to be corrupted by chaos, that their one desire in life is to explore (i.e. they have no military assets,just capable FTL craft). the tau "hide them away" from men to prevent "the worst of mankind's xenophobia". They still choose not to use FTL for that reason...they don't want to "risk" their "inoccent" psykers

The nicissar show up in battlefleet gothic.

dbsamurai wrote:They already have one, the nicissar, a race of psykers that make Warlocks and Farseers look like your average guardsman. the fluff says thay're "too pure" to be corrupted by chaos, that their one desire in life is to explore (i.e. they have no military assets,just capable FTL craft). the tau "hide them away" from men to prevent "the worst of mankind's xenophobia". They still choose not to use FTL for that reason...they don't want to "risk" their "inoccent" psykers

Or the Enslavers have already eaten them and the Tau are just trying to hide the fact.

it almost seems like a retcon to cover for the fact that he allied BA and Necrons in the BA codex...

No, I suspect it was an honest attempt to make them more like the Tomb Kings. The Tomb Kings are one of the few Fantasy races with the right kind of attitude to fit in with the "friendlier" 40K race relations. They might help you out against a common threat, and they'll honor the truce right up until the threat is gone. But they won't exchange ambassadors with you. And they might decide to grab a few hundred slaves on the way out of your territory. Or they might leave peacefully.

I think the only two that might would be Chaos and the Orks, and that would be rocky and only happen if Chaos lured them in through lies and deceit. (Pretending to be Gork and Mork)
The Nids could be pointed at the same time I think, but they would need to keep their distance.
Necrons same thing.
Dark Eldar would probably be fighting against Chaos.
Eldar and Imperium could, the Tau would just join up simply to be advantageous for their survival.
Squats would come in after all is said and done and clean house, and re-establish the Golden Age.

The orks could be tricked into an invasion, however i dont think theyd ever willingly share the battle with anyone.
With the new necron fluff, anything is possible.
Tyranids... Almost definitely no. Unless the Hive Mind were to come out of the shadows, theres really no reasoning with them.
Chaos would probably be the ones tricking the orks.
Imperium, Eldar, Dark Eldar, and Tau could team up to topple the greater threat of chaos.

Soladrin wrote:Are people this bad at reading? Really? He never said orks nids etc, would ally. Read properly before you post.

GOD.

this dude can read! (No offence, but you all got it wrong except for a few dudes)

Zombies!!!

Lasgun is armed and ready!!!

Its definitely already happening in the way of the enemies encroaching on the eldar, IoM, and Tau. The alliance between the three.... not yet. But with the many sided war going on for everyone. Somethings got to give.

Warhammer 40,000 has long been established as a Hobbsean "war of all against all" (or rather "bellum omnium contra omnes", which sounds so much more appropriately grim) so no, it would be entirely contrary to the tone and style of the setting.

If you want super-friends teaming-up to fight evil aliens go and play a Star Trek game or some other generic space opera setting.