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I'm going to a tournament tomorrow and I'm against a Baneblade. How the heck do I take it out with 'Nids? I've been thinking 3 Zoans in a spore. Will this work? Does anyone have experience in this situation?

I've faced much worse... but if you're running a swarm list then a Baneblade's going to be really, really annoying - it's main cannon can easily wipe out a unit of 30 Termagaunts. Zoanthropes sound like a good idea, and they're really hard to kill outside of volume of fire with their 3++. If you have enough pods, I'd recommend deploying in 3 separate units (there shouldn't be a FOC since it's Apoc right?). Their lance shots will be good for taking out its armour, but that won't be enough to kill it outright. You might also want a Trygon or 2 to pop out nearby and destroy it next turn (or at the very least distract it til then). Outside of that, a Tyrannofex is your last best bet - just be thankful it's not a Shadowsword!!!

Actually, it's not Apoc. We're doing 1500 points. I was thinking along the lines of x3 Zoanthropes, x2 Trygons, x1 Hive Tyrant and the rest Geanstealers, Hermagaunts, Gargoyles etc. By the way i'm also facing CSMs and SWs.

If it's not Apoc he can't take a Baneblade. Unless you let him, but then you should be able to ignore your FoC to balance it some.

Carnifex(es). Rear armor 12? Meet str9 (10 with adrenal glands) + 2D6 for penetration means you are almost never NOT going to pen.

Tyranids? Tyranids. wrote:Actually, it's not Apoc. We're doing 1500 points.

How in the hell does anyone have a super-heavy outside an apocalypse game?

I believe they have point values for using super heavies outside of apoc. Its something stupid like 700-800 points or something. Itll be around half if not over half of his total army.

I think if you use the spearhead expansion you can have a super heavy spearhead

A baneblade is no more than 3 regular leman russes rolled up into a single tank. Whatever you would use to take down a squad of russes will take down a baneblade.

I don't know about tyranid much, but I do know that some of their MCs can get wings and all of their MCs get +d6 to armor penetration.

My Trygon managed to take down 2 structure points and several other damages(driver, weapons) when it deep striked near the Baneblade

Ailaros wrote:A baneblade is no more than 3 regular leman russes rolled up into a single tank. Whatever you would use to take down a squad of russes will take down a baneblade.

I don't know about tyranid much, but I do know that some of their MCs can get wings and all of their MCs get +d6 to armor penetration.

Well, yes and no...the extra Str, AP, and size of the main blast template is nice, as is the extra point of rear armor. twin-linking the heavy bolters is a nice bonus, too .

@the OP; do you know if he is going sponsons or sponsonless? That will make a significant difference if you are running MCs, as no sponsons will cut down on his shot output considerably.

Baneblades look scary, but they are actually quite fragile as far as Super-heavies go.

a couple of MCs in assault should be able to cause some serious damage. Zoenthropes will do a number on it too.


Just remember that, when it dies, it can go nuclear on you. This won't bother multi-wound models as much, but it can do a number on any single wound models(including your enemy)

other then that, its just a tank with multiple hit points that is harder to stun.

Yeah i would use a trygon, plant it out of just behind it, and hopefully it won't die. Because the baneblade most likely won't be able to turn, it won't be able to wreck your trygon too easily.

Zoanthropes will be a points drain, but also very damaging. I like them, however it is a lot of points to sink into a 1500 point game.

Tyranids? Tyranids. wrote:Actually, it's not Apoc. We're doing 1500 points. I was thinking along the lines of x3 Zoanthropes, x2 Trygons, x1 Hive Tyrant and the rest Geanstealers, Hermagaunts, Gargoyles etc. By the way i'm also facing CSMs and SWs.

It is illegal to use a baneblade for 1500 pt game.

Bring a proxy Bio titan if they are bending the rules like this.

im2randomghgh wrote:

Tyranids? Tyranids. wrote:Actually, it's not Apoc. We're doing 1500 points. I was thinking along the lines of x3 Zoanthropes, x2 Trygons, x1 Hive Tyrant and the rest Geanstealers, Hermagaunts, Gargoyles etc. By the way i'm also facing CSMs and SWs.

It is illegal to use a baneblade for 1500 pt game.

Bring a proxy Bio titan if they are bending the rules like this.

If he doesn't have a problem with it, then it's a-ok. And a Bio-titan's 1250pts, waaaaaay more than a Baneblade...

Andilus Greatsword wrote:

im2randomghgh wrote:

Tyranids? Tyranids. wrote:Actually, it's not Apoc. We're doing 1500 points. I was thinking along the lines of x3 Zoanthropes, x2 Trygons, x1 Hive Tyrant and the rest Geanstealers, Hermagaunts, Gargoyles etc. By the way i'm also facing CSMs and SWs.

It is illegal to use a baneblade for 1500 pt game.

Bring a proxy Bio titan if they are bending the rules like this.

If he doesn't have a problem with it, then it's a-ok. And a Bio-titan's 1250pts, waaaaaay more than a Baneblade...

Not to mention broken as hell. Baneblades are actually pretty balanced, they don't require special Super heavy busting equipment.

Grey Templar wrote:

Andilus Greatsword wrote:

im2randomghgh wrote:

Tyranids? Tyranids. wrote:Actually, it's not Apoc. We're doing 1500 points. I was thinking along the lines of x3 Zoanthropes, x2 Trygons, x1 Hive Tyrant and the rest Geanstealers, Hermagaunts, Gargoyles etc. By the way i'm also facing CSMs and SWs.

It is illegal to use a baneblade for 1500 pt game.

Bring a proxy Bio titan if they are bending the rules like this.

If he doesn't have a problem with it, then it's a-ok. And a Bio-titan's 1250pts, waaaaaay more than a Baneblade...

Not to mention broken as hell. Baneblades are actually pretty balanced, they don't require special Super heavy busting equipment.

Except they have this thing, where you point all the baneblade weapons down-range, and remove every single model in that general direction.

Ridiculously broken for 1500pt game. Might as well bring landraiders into combat patrol.

im2randomghgh wrote:Except they have this thing, where you point all the baneblade weapons down-range, and remove every single model in that general direction.

... what?

He is inferring that they kill what they shoot at. I think the trygons will get creamed by the other stuff he has protecting the baneblade. Your zoeys in pods are the way to go.

Is there a rule in the apoc rulebook that prevents you from using apoc units in a non-apoc game? He said there isn't but I kinda find that hard to believe. BTW he won the tourney.

Baneblades don't say what FoC slot they take. Therefore they don't fit in a FoC. Therefore they don't work in non-Apoc.

Your TO allowed it?

rigeld2 wrote:Baneblades don't say what FoC slot they take. Therefore they don't fit in a FoC. Therefore they don't work in non-Apoc.

Your TO allowed it?

They are a warmachine detachment. There is no warmachines slot in the regular FoC.

On page 100 of the Apocalypse Rulebook:
"Legendary Units
The first type of datasheet covers legendary units. These are troop types that you won't find in a Codex, but are available in Apocalypse games. Most are single, large models - often super-heavy vehicles such as the Baneblade, . . ."
also on page 100
"The datasheets in this section offer a variety of extra units and new formations you can use in your army when playing Apocalyptic battles. These legendary units and battle formations have been designed specially for games of this scale."

They are Super-Heavy Tanks and Legendary Units. They are not available in regular 40k games. The opponent must agree for it to be used in the regular games. This is well known throughout the world of 40k gamers. I cannot imagine the TO allowing this in a 1500 point army build.

Tyranids? Tyranids. wrote:Is there a rule in the apoc rulebook that prevents you from using apoc units in a non-apoc game? He said there isn't but I kinda find that hard to believe. BTW he won the tourney.

Super-heavies are not allowed in regular 40k, only in Apocalypse.

There are some Tournies that will allow Super heavies, with some restrictions.

I believe there is a sheet somewhere that gives the Super-heavies some slight changes to allow them in normal games.


Baneblades are worth alot more then 500 points in a regular game.

ChaplainSluder wrote:On page 100 of the Apocalypse Rulebook:
"Legendary Units
The first type of datasheet covers legendary units. These are troop types that you won't find in a Codex, but are available in Apocalypse games. Most are single, large models - often super-heavy vehicles such as the Baneblade, . . ."
also on page 100
"The datasheets in this section offer a variety of extra units and new formations you can use in your army when playing Apocalyptic battles. These legendary units and battle formations have been designed specially for games of this scale."

They are Super-Heavy Tanks and Legendary Units. They are not available in regular 40k games. The opponent must agree for it to be used in the regular games. This is well known throughout the world of 40k gamers. I cannot imagine the TO allowing this in a 1500 point army build.

I can't IMAGINE the rage that would happen if I brought my manta to a 2,000pt tourney.

They would simply lack the means to destroy it.

They could fight a 1500 pt battle on top of it!

Just tell him he can't use his BEEEEINBLEEEID. If you are not playing in apoc game, he can't use it without your permission.

Otherwise use Zoanthropes in pods. My friend has devastated many of my Baneblades in apoc using that tactic.

im2randomghgh wrote:
I can't IMAGINE the rage that would happen if I brought my manta to a 2,000pt tourney.

They would simply lack the means to destroy it.

They could fight a 1500 pt battle on top of it!

I'd love to see pictures of that, you don't have any in your gallery. Do you have a blog perchance?

Tyranids? Tyranids. wrote: I'm going to a tournament tomorrow and I'm against a Baneblade. How the heck do I take it out with 'Nids? I've been thinking 3 Zoans in a spore. Will this work? Does anyone have experience in this situation?

Here's my strategy: At the start of the game, look quizzically at his Baneblade, and in a friendly manner ask him to kindly show you where that model can be found in the IG codex.

It's not exactly imperial grand strategy, but I think you'll find that it removes the Baneblade from the table all the same.

rigeld2 wrote:Baneblades don't say what FoC slot they take. Therefore they don't fit in a FoC. Therefore they don't work in non-Apoc.

Your TO allowed it?

I'll let him know he can't use it. It was just me and a couple of friends getting together to play a tourney. But still....