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I've been expanding my games played from WHFB and 40k, and have gotten into WM in the past few months. But I'm having a problem warming to the PP community. I don't think this is much of an issue of my LGS, as I have gone to a few, and gotten involved in gaming forums such as here, the PP forum, and a few other smaller ones. The problem I've noticed is that, frankly, the communities seem to thrive on spitting venom at GW. I'm not out to start a GW-PP thing, but I admit I am very uncomfortable when the topic of every conversation seemingly focused on taking shots at GW, generally with a very smug attitude.

I want to like both games. I love GW, and want to love PP. But this community is just making it hard. I do not like being sneered at for enjoying both games.

Am I overreacting? Am I just unlucky? Or should I just deal with it?

From what I've seen and experienced, there is a bit of animosity towards GW, but that's no reason to not play both games if that's what you're in to. My local meta consists of a bunch of ex40K players who just got fed up with the rule system, rule disputes, and with army updates and lack there of. Those reasons are enough to turn a game that you love and have labored over into something that isn't fun any more. Again, YMMV on that.

A lot of veteran 40K players around me have gone over to PP because they just got sick of how GW operates. I'm not saying they are any better or any worse than PP, I'm just saying that they've found PP's system, company, etc, more suiting to their needs and wants.

Think about the Xbox vs Playstation debate that's raged on for years. So long as there are two competing companies offering similar services, there will be animosity towards one or the other.

TL;DR, don't let a few bad apples ruin the bunch for you. PP offers a lot of great things to their players, but just like with any other game system there will always be dicks.

Hey man.

I know this feeling. And what I do is proudly bare my signature. -And- Whenever I play with these people. I like to swap out my Kossite Woodsmen for Grey Hunters, My Jugger as my ol' Dready and the Old witch as Njal Stormcaller.

If it gets to be a little too much why not try "Hey guys, let's change the subject and play the game in front of us."

I can see where you are coming from on this, as I personally am probably guilty of this offense. As said above a lot of PP players are ex GW players, as such we almost have an ex-girlfriend mentality to the game "She broke our heart". Please don't let it discourage you from playing PP, and don't get too offended.
Think of it as emotional baggage. In the end we all love GW models as they are gorgeous, we just wish she would change her ways <Cries..>

Well, most of us like GW models. My boss still can't figure out why people buy them, as he can't figure out how people keep from snapping them, they're so spindly.

The ex-GF comparison is probably the best analogy tho.

I'd agree with said "ex-GF" model.

GW was great, until it discontinued two of my armies.

So, I switched to PP and avidly supported them and decried the terrible GW.

Then, PP started pissing me off for a number of reasons and I'm no longer a vocal fan, though I still like the game, and, suddenly, in retrospect, my anti-GW attitude seemed a bit overwrought.

Now, I'm a gamer who collects and plays different systems, but wouldn't call myself a fan of any company. (I'm not sure where you want to take the "ex-GF" model, but I had that sort of feeling when both GW and PP broke my trust in them.)

Yeah... definitely an emotional response. PP just gets the credit for being our rebound game because it has a few things GW doesn't (long dark hair, a pirate ship, and a great rack for starters). Those who have taken a step back from the broken heart syndrome recognize that both companies are not perfect and appreciate the better aspects of each. Many players are still a bit too recently hurt or carry around extra baggage to admit it, though.

I agree with the ex-girlfriend analogy for many players I have met.

My view on GW players is that the hardcore feel they are the popular kids, because more people play their game, so they talk down to non-GW guys.

The hardcore PP guys feel like they are the enlightened minority, intellectually superior to everyone else, and talk down to people who play GW.

Both get on my nerves often.

My best advice is to shrug it off, paint your models, learn the rules, and kick their asses. People shut up fast when you throw down a fully painted army and quickly have them remove their unpainted crap from the table in two turns. Do it with a smile, a warm hand shake, and a free cookie at the end. They will all but eat their own arm off in rage.

GW deserves all the trash talking it gets when it comes to their rules. They have had since the 80s to develop a game that is fun and they have failed to do so.

I started collecting Dark Eldar cause they look great (props to the artsist, Jes). The fluff is good, it is like shakespear on crack.

However when I sat down to actually play the game it was boring ..I don't feel like I am trying to win a game, but that I am playing out a battle. (Rolling dice like some RPG character generator). Having spent a great deal of money on a game that is this dull does irk me quite a bit.

I started collecting Khador cause they look cool. When I actually played a few games I actually had fun, it was interesting. Resource management, and real in game tactical options are supprisingly engaging aren't they?

EDIT: Point is, I don't go out of my way to trash talk GW, but I understand why others would. I bought the minis for the minis so I am satisfied.

How much GW bashing are you seeing on the PP boards? It's actually against the rules of the PP forum to speak ill of other companies.

Also, may of the people there still play GW games. You'll occasionally see a GW model show up in the background of their pictures(or even amongst the PP models).

i used to play GW too, i think the problem is that all the PP players want PP to overtake GW in the hobby buissness, i generally have no problems with GW but the price rises

GWs stores put a good impression on the players, but its the buissness side thats being poorly run, annual price rises

I wouldnt take notice, its just that most PP players came to warmchine cos of GWs prices

YELLOWBLADES wrote:i used to play GW too, i think the problem is that all the PP players want PP to overtake GW in the hobby buissness, i generally have no problems with GW but the price rises

GWs stores put a good impression on the players, but its the buissness side thats being poorly run, annual price rises

I wouldnt take notice, its just that most PP players came to warmchine cos of GWs prices

i wouldnt agree with you mate. prices may be one thing, but while its the cost of entry that is specifically cheaper, in the long run, people who get into warmahordes end up spending as much, if not more on PPs stuff (i have, for one). For me, and for most people that i know, its the balance of the game that draws them, and keeps them. lets face it, its not perfect, but the internal/external balance of warmahordes is leagues ahead of what GW have been offering. For me, and others, its the crucial factor.

As to the question of "butr which is better", its not a question i like answering, as i dont feel there is an answer. For me, its PP all the way, for a variety of reasons. balance mainly, but price factors in a little bit too. i like the PP community more in terms of its attitude (quit whining, play like you got a pair, versus all the complaining, moping and whining and negative/dead space you seem to come up against on 40k forums-forums specifically, not necessarily the players in general). I like the agressiveness. I like how the list you take matters less than how you play it on the table. I feel it has far more of a tactical edge than what 40k has-which to me, is dominated by "the listbuilding", and the actual game revolves around who can roll the biggest bucket 'o' dice. I also dislike the recent Gee Dub codices (GK and necrons for me, were woeful) and their uber fanboy SCs (Draigo et al) as i think its severely overdone.

and you know what? some people actually disagree with me... they like the bucket o dice approach. they make it work for themselves. fair play. and you know what? thats OK too... maybe its just my age group showing (PP players tend to be 20somethings, as opposed to teens), and what i specifically want in my wargames. and i get that in spades from PP.

to answer the OPs question, in terms of the supposed "GW bashing" that PP players do, is it like what i wrote above? even on the PP boards, its very much frowned upon to have a go at gee dub. threads get locked. people get warned. from what i've seen, most of the "bashing" is comments like thr above. and its not necessarily trolling. For a lot of people, in explaining why they also play PP games (and lets face it, plenty play both) they detail the reasons why they've picked what they've picked, and they explain their motivations. none of which is GW bashing. mostly, its mainly intended as an objective assessment. maybe its because as a whole, the player base is a little older, its intended as a more mature discussion than a flamefest-i dunno. its how i see the PP boards. less whining, a bit more informative, a bit more serious. maybe. and yes, you do get some fanboys. but 40k also had plenty of them

again, feel free to play other games. most of my mates also play 40k. and fantasy. and a few are also into malifaux.

Eh it just boils down to people justifying to themselves that they have made the right choice. When people invest time and money into something they don't like to think that there was another better option that they didn't take. You see this everywhere.

PP - GW
PS3 - Xbox
Mac - PC
Radeon - Nvidia
Ford - Holden
Coke - Pepsi

My advice. Learn to not give a darn about it.

I've found a good internal balance with the two companies. I love robotic death machines and I love desert Nosferatu people who are asian cultured with roman military style. The two rarely compete for my attention though for a while GW took a shelf while PP was taken for a few good nights on the gaming town.

I honestly haven't seen it happen a whole lot or I just don't notice it.

I really expected it to happen a lot more then what I have seen.