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If this hias been posted earlier I am sorry but I couldn't find it. Are the older rhino models still playable? I have some rhino based vehicles from 3rd edition and wanted to make sure that are still viable for games.

they would most definently be viable.

Yes they are, as are all older models.

Thanks. I thought that they would be but I wanted some validation.

i satrted a thread about using such models, because they were smaller. Most people seemed to be fine with using older, different sized GW models.

A friend of mine said that it was illegal to use older models, but that's just because he was being an ass and didn't like the look of them. They're official GW models, and nobody can tell you otherwise. Go nuts.

Time to strip off some old paint!!

Some folk won't play against them as is. Others will.

For example, the oft-maligned ork trukk that is tiny enough to get cover from grots and still hold 12 boyz Orks used to be smaller, so it wasn't QUITE as bizarre, but modern orks in an oldschool trukk boggles the mind, and many opponents refuse to allow you to use them. Mine became buggies, as they are similar in size.

Oldschool Carnifexes or Great Unclean Ones are also tiny compared to the new ones, and cold be considered to be cover rules abuse.

Personally I love to see the oldschool models on the field, especially a whole army of them, as it gives me a great retro rush.

I'll happily play against any old-school model, as long as they let me use mine likewise, but not everyone will, especially if they didn't play back in the day when those WERE the official models.

Ascalam wrote:Some folk won't play against them as is. Others will.

Most won't care, from my experience.

For example, the oft-maligned ork trukk that is tiny enough to get cover from grots and still hold 12 boyz Orks used to be smaller, so it wasn't QUITE as bizarre, but modern orks in an oldschool trukk boggles the mind, and many opponents refuse to allow you to use them. Mine became buggies, as they are similar in size.

Orks have been the same size for as long as the trukk has existed in 40K.

The old Truck model was designed for Gorkamorka, which did have smaller Boyz... but it was introduced to 40K in 3rd edition, which used the same Boyz as the current models.

Oldschool Carnifexes or Great Unclean Ones are also tiny compared to the new ones, and cold be considered to be cover rules abuse.

All of the original Greater Daemons were considerably smaller than the current models. So were Dreadnoughts, Obliterators, and, for that matter, Space Marines. And of course there's the always popular RT-era Avatar, who was just slightly taller than a current Space Marine.

I've found that most people will enjoy the novelty of facing off against these sorts of models. Although if you're unsure about their potential reception, bulking up the bases a little to make up for the height difference can go a long way towards allaying concerns.

I know a guy who has and uses the old terminators from when they came on 28mm bases. All in all, things like this tend to be a wash in terms of giving an edge or not so I don't think most people will care.

Whenever I see the old eldar Avatar on the field I get a giggle. He's sooo small and cute.

morgendonner wrote: All in all, things like this tend to be a wash in terms of giving an edge or not so I don't think most people will care.

Adding to that, I think we all know how to spot the guy that uses the older smaller models just to get an advantage... He's the guy that overextends the measuring line in movement so he'll get an idea about shooting/assault at the same time. He's likely to remind you of rules only when it benefits him - if you're missing out on something it's not his problem. His lists might be overpointed since no one checks anyway. There's also a chance he'll be throwing the dice in a funny way, lining all up in his hand and then just dumping them on the table from half an inch up.

All in all you're not likely to be playing with him in the first place.

There is a small tournament in my area that has a rule, no old models. All models must be the current sized to be fielded. Personally I disagree completely, but that is the posted rules.

I have never once played with a single person who had a problem with anyone using older models, half of the time, they encourage it. One of the guys at the local GW uses a pure RT Era Beakie marine army. And its amazing to see. Hell, i still have my old vindicator packed away somewhere, i think.

My vindy, pred and Rhinos are all 3rd ed (even though I just started playing this year) and no one has ever had a problem with them...if anything I usually get complimented on them.

All of my 11 Rhinos are original RT models.
ONLY my rhino-hull based TANKS use the new hulls (predators, whirlwinds, vindicators, razorbacks).

APCs are smaller than tanks (apcs are even smaller than IFVs).

Haven't had an issue at a tournament (up until last year when I stopped playing in tourneys because of lack of interest).
Had one issue in my club - from a 19 year old "True believer" who maintained that when GW updates a model, you are SUPPOSED to follow sheeplike and comply, replacing all of your older models of same with the new versions.

He's also the one STILL using 2nd ed hormagaunts for his Tyranids.
(A case of do as I say, not as I do? Or just hypocrisy?)
You can imagine my response to him.

Ascalam wrote:Some folk won't play against them as is. Others will.

Anyone who won't is a douche.

As for tournaments, technically the TO can create rules in advance against the older models and it would be tough to argue against that. Just gotta check in advance.

EDIT: ...Still a dick move, though.

jbunny wrote:There is a small tournament in my area that has a rule, no old models. All models must be the current sized to be fielded. Personally I disagree completely, but that is the posted rules.

Dumb. Pure, unadulterated-deep-country-fried-chicken-fat-with-collard greens, dumb.

That's some high-cholestrol good-eating dumb!


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azazel the cat wrote:

Ascalam wrote:Some folk won't play against them as is. Others will.

Anyone who won't is a douche.

As for tournaments, technically the TO can create rules in advance against the older models and it would be tough to argue against that. Just gotta check in advance.

Agreed. I won't play a pickup game with someone who's that douchy (assuming my older models are in the case and on my intended list)., after you've explained that they actually are GW models and they still have an issue..

Some of the newer folk don't know, and that's ok. I usually have a truck full of orks, and several lists, so i can work around it if i want to play someone who seems cool, but thinks i'm trying to put one over on them.

I repurposed my trukks nonetheless though, as it left me feeling dirty to give them cover from a grot screen


In tournaments it does depend on the TO. I've learnt my lesson on that, though generally i'll take the more up-to-date models to avoid confusion, if they are larger than troop-sized. I still use a few OLD ork infantry, as they have bags of character and their own history of awesome deeds. (the times they got nuked by tau in cc or whatever conveniently stricken from the record, of course.. )

This brings me to question 2. When you use brake fluid to strip off old paint, do you have to rinse the models off or just let them drain?

Dear lord, rinse them off. And whatever you do, don't lick them!

Devildawg2311 wrote:This brings me to question 2. When you use brake fluid to strip off old paint, do you have to rinse the models off or just let them drain?

Use Simple Green - much nicer to you and the environment

I ave sen Brakle fluid melt right through plastic. My mate did it on a Daemon Prince he had painted up for Fantasy (Khorne) when he was 6, so it generally looked a like a red blob. Pours a little of that stuff, leaves it to dry. Comes back in an hour. looks more Nurgly now.

I'd play you, but some other people might have problems with them being different shapes (something about granting more cover than a modern rhino horizontally). They're really cool models, and you'll always get some looks of envy in your FLGS

They are smaller acroos the front/back, so it is easier to get cover saves, but slightly longer sideways, so can grant better cover saves. They are also closer to the board, so can hide behind things better.

SilverMK2 wrote:

Devildawg2311 wrote:This brings me to question 2. When you use brake fluid to strip off old paint, do you have to rinse the models off or just let them drain?

Use Simple Green - much nicer to you and the environment

This. Brake fluid works, but Simple Green works better. And if it is a pure metal model, Lacquer Thinner is the best. But it will melt plastic very quickly. In either case, I will always rinse my models with water.

The rules are you must use GW models, unless the unit doesn't have a model in which case you can scratch build your own, and they must be on the base that was supplied with the model(if applicable)

Older models are still 100% legal