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This is just an interesting question that i had after re-reading Horus Heresy: Mechanicum - before being turned into a rather dreary room, what did the Dragon of Mars look like? I mean, Dalia had this vision of the Emperor in medieval knight armor slaying a literal dragon that had taken away a maiden - was this her mind's way of interpreting the psychic and martial battle between two physical gods that her mortal mind probably couldn't comprehend in its true entirety without exploding, or was this literally what happened back on techno-feudal Terra? Somehow i fail to see why a c'tan would shape its living metal body into a dragon, when all the others took godlike forms to trick the necrons....ASSUMING the dragon is a c'tan. So, thoughts, suggestions? Was he a dragon, and if not, what was he?

I always imagined him looking like a tomb stalker without the segmented body, and with wings. So pretty much a dragon, but with a buggy feel to it

Hes been Retconned out by Ward so I imagine nothing. Before that I always imagined him as a giant metallic dragon with a human body coming out of its forehead.

Waitwaitwait Ward retconned him? I...haven't even words...I didn't hear it really mentioned in the new codex? I know all the c'tan were cut up and locked in tesseract labyrinths but i figured that the Outsider was still sitting in his vacuum cleaner playing robo-Cthulu and that the Dragon was just chilling on Mars and got away from the 'crons.

Harriticus wrote:Hes been Retconned out by Ward so I imagine nothing. Before that I always imagined him as a giant metallic dragon with a human body coming out of its forehead.

There's nothing to say that the Void Dragon is one of the C'tan who escaped the Necrons. Unless the Necrons managed to wipe ALL of them out, but I had thought a couple had managed to flee. And if not, then there's nothing to say the Void Dragon the Emperor fought wasnt just a shard either.

In any case, I always imagined the Void Dragon to be a giant metallic dragon. It's a pretty godlike form I reckon

I believe the codex says that not all the C'Tan were accounted for in some way or another. Don't really feel like going through for quotes...But I'm sure it's there.

Yeah, it says the necrons are constantly looking for the missing shards of C'tan so they can imprison them, because they fear the C'tans vengence, so its still more than impossible that the Emperor fought and imprisoned a shard of the Void Dragon, it was probably a MAJORITY of the Void Dragons' shards, but definatly not ALL of him.

The Void Dragon is still in the fluff.

Weather or not he is just a shard or a full blown C'tan isn't known.


My personal theory is that the Void Dragon escaped the necrons and fled to earth, and was severly weakend when the Emperor imprisoned him. The Void Dragon might see some benifit to the deal in that he ism "safe" from the Necron's attempts to kill him. So he sits on Mars, still worshipped as a god, and humanity gets technology out of the deal.

The necron fleet that landed on Mars can be explained as a response to the rumor of the Void Dragon's presence as the Crons are still looking for them. They may or may not still have suspicions, but they are too fracticious to focus on this goal right now.


This is my theory, but it fits in with all of the current fluff so I think its a good one.

This was a Dawn of War mod intended as an illustration for an Epic Campaign based on the awakening of the Dragon.

Below are the other illustrations for the story, very cool: http://forums.relicnews.com/showthread.php?178510-God-Units-Epic-Void-Dragon-(Large-Images)

Thats kinda underwhelming. Its doesn't remotly resemble what the words "Void Dragon" conjour up.

Something like a Tomb Stalker, but 10 times the size of a Bio-titan with wings that stretch for 50 kilometers. Serpentine, but also insectoid.

That thing looks more like a gargoyle that just hopped off Notre Dame.



Thats definitly intimidating, but it looks more like a blackened version of Khorne with less skulls.

I think people take the name "Dragon" too literally. It is a title, not a descriptor of its appearance. Neither the Nightbringer nor the Deceiver look like "night" or "deception". Also worth noting that the term Dragon can be used to describe something without it actually having any of the features commonly associated with said mythical creature.

All the known C'tan are humanoid in appearance, I don't see why the Dragon would be any different. Also worth noting is that the C'tan can reshape their necrodermis to suit their will, so they can technically look like anything...

ALSO worth noting that if the Dragon is the Omnissiah then it most certainly IS a humanoid. Titans are built in the likeness of the Omnissiah, and they certainly look more humanoid than they do like dragons or giant tomb stalkers...

chaos0xomega wrote:I think people take the name "Dragon" too literally. It is a title, not a descriptor of its appearance. Neither the Nightbringer nor the Deceiver look like "night" or "deception". Also worth noting that the term Dragon can be used to describe something without it actually having any of the features commonly associated with said mythical creature.

What? You kidding? That joker face on the Deceiver looks exactly what I'd imagine a trolling, mischevious scamp would look like. And dont make me bring up the Nightbringer and that scythe of his. He'll be bringing a long night to many.

That doesn't change the fact that they are STILL HUMANOID. Dragon, as I stated before, can be used as an adjective to describe a human, in particular a fierce or intimidating person.

chaos0xomega wrote:That doesn't change the fact that they are STILL HUMANOID. Dragon, as I stated before, can be used as an adjective to describe a human, in particular a fierce or intimidating person.

I know, but I was just refuting your point about how the Nightbringer and the Deceiver apparently dont look like as their names state. Besides, just because the Nightbringer and the Deceiver were humanoid, doesnt mean the Void Dragon is as well. You even said it yourself, they can change their necrodermis at will. Maybe the Void Dragon prefers a dragon-like form? Maybe a humanoid dragon? Maybe his form, as the 'dragon', was taken to become mankinds interpretation of what a dragon was after the Emperor's little bout with him?

Maybe Im arguing so hard because I want to see a 100ft tall serpentine/insectoid robot dragon of mass destruction.

Ronin wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:That doesn't change the fact that they are STILL HUMANOID. Dragon, as I stated before, can be used as an adjective to describe a human, in particular a fierce or intimidating person.

I know, but I was just refuting your point about how the Nightbringer and the Deceiver apparently dont look like as their names state. Besides, just because the Nightbringer and the Deceiver were humanoid, doesnt mean the Void Dragon is as well. You even said it yourself, they can change their necrodermis at will. Maybe the Void Dragon prefers a dragon-like form? Maybe a humanoid dragon? Maybe his form, as the 'dragon', was taken to become mankinds interpretation of what a dragon was after the Emperor's little bout with him?

Bull.

Maybe Im arguing so hard because I want to see a 100ft tall serpentine/insectoid robot dragon of mass destruction.

What th... okay, yeah I'll allow it. Completely agreed.

So rare to come to an agreement over the Internet that it is refreshing when it happens.

Grey Templar, that's exactly what i was thinking. The Necrons arent looking to save him, they want to kill him! Plus it explains why he's just chilling on mars, not trying to escape

Lol just sitting there all snug with loads of metal humans caressing his tail whilst he purrs with a lil old face like :3
and then they protect him no matter what! huge ol dragon, you so crazy!

chaos0xomega wrote:I think people take the name "Dragon" too literally. It is a title, not a descriptor of its appearance. Neither the Nightbringer nor the Deceiver look like "night" or "deception". Also worth noting that the term Dragon can be used to describe something without it actually having any of the features commonly associated with said mythical creature.

Wrong,


If the Void Dragon didn't look like a Dragon then the vision that one person had of the Emperor beating the Dragon wouldn't have had him beating a Dragon. It would have been him triumphing over a Daemon or other monster.

The Void Dragon is clearly evoking what the word "dragon" means. A large scaly beast, most commenly breathing fire and having wings.


The story eventually became the story of St George and the Dragon. The Void Dragon is clearly meant to look something like a Dragon.

Dragon used to be used more commonly to refer to a powerful beast of a non-mammalian variety. Anything fairly alient to humans fits the bill. It can just as easily refer to amphibians, insects, snakes, and lizards. Classically it is a term very closely related to Demon and monster. Much life 'elf' and 'goblin' it did not used to have the concrete meaning it does today. For example, it is used numerous times in the bible, but never in reference to the winged lizard we typically think of today.

And visions are very commonly allegorical. I would be typical for the viewer to perceive or identify the opponent as a 'dragon'. I see no reason someone seeing a vision of that event and calling the monster the emperor fought a 'dragon' means it must be a scaly, winged, fire breathing creature.

Of course this is not evidence it DOESN'T look like a dragon. I'm just saying your assertions that the vision calls it a dragon means it is a reptilian, winged, quadruped that breaths fire holds no water.

Similarly the argument that "all the know" C'Tan are humanoid has little value. A sample size of two out of thousands of shape shifters does not a trend make. Especially when those two are the "deceiver", and an incarnation of death. Of course we would expect those two to take on the shape of the people they are communicating. But the 'dragon', the 'outsider', and the 'swarm's names indicate they may have a non humanoid appearance. The 'flayer', and the 'burning one' could go either way.

We don't have enough evidence to point either way. So far everyone has just come up with an image they liked and then looked for ways to justify it. But neither side has an argument, there just isn't enough info. So it can look like whatever the heck you want it too.

So not enough evidence for or against the dragon face?

I suppose so,

But in this case I think its best to err on the side of caution and just have it be some Techno-beetle dragon instead of taking massive liberties.

I say it's the sequel to the new transformers movie

Transformers: Revenge of the dark side of Mars

The void dragon vs Optimus Prime... any good artists around *cough cough*Crystal Geyser *cough cough*

The Void Dragon just completely rapes all the transformers. "I now give you the gift of...VISTA!!!!"

How it went in Dark of the Moon:
Megatron: After all, where would you be without me, Prime?
Prime: I don't know...Time to find out!

How it would go in Revenge of the Dark of Mars
The Void Dragon: After all, where would you be without me?
Prime: ... Bollocks.

transformers stand as much a chance as a tau in close combat. and yes, someone as in Crystal Geyser must draw this

Forgive my ignorance, but who's Crystal Geyser?

theflaminghorror wrote:transformers stand as much a chance as a tau in close combat. and yes, someone as in Crystal Geyser must draw this

lets be fair here, I have seen Tau firewarriors win close combat before. they actually managed to sweep the ork unit that had charged them.

I'm crystal geyser, i started the thread and my friends think that i'm good at drawing.


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