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A whole bunch of new releases from Dream Pod 9*:

Hi All,

We have new Heavy Gear Badlands Terrain available this week to complement our Badlands Outpost Terrain Kit released last month. The eight new terrain releases and new cargo containters are exclusive to the DP9 Online Store and available to order now. Also, this week we have new miniature blister two packs for the Chasseur MK II and Lancier gears for the NuCoal faction. Enjoy the images below and see how they all turned out.

Badlands Homestead with Outpost Building, Vehicles and Infantry for scale.


Badlands Homestead Housing Module (DP9-BHHM, $19.00).

The Badlands Homestead Housing Module is a common family domicile found in the Badlands. The structure is highly resistant to wind, with shutters to screen windows from sand storms. This large structure can also provide cover for Gears and other vehicles.

Badlands Homestead Shed (DP9-HS, $14.00).

Homesteads tend to accumulate a wide range of tools, supplies, and other 'stuff' that needs to be stored until it can be used.In the Badlands, settlers also want to make sure they can work during the harsh desert conditions, so many will build sheds to provide storage and work space. These can also be used as fortified bunkers for infantry to take shelter in.

Badlands Homestead Tower (DP9-HT, $18.00).

Many homesteads build towers like this to add additional living space, storage, and work areas. A tower provides a commanding view of the area and allows homesteaders to keep a watchful eye on their land. These structures are popular with the military as they allow troops to monitor large areas without requiring expensive electronics.

Badlands Communications Array (DP9-BCA, $11.00) left and Solar Panels (DP9-BSP, $10.00) right.

The Communications Array is a self-powered unit, built for the harsh desert conditions of the badlands. Armies are highly dependent on communications with headquarters, so these comm arrays make great objectives. Homesteads need power to operate tools and equipment, and solar arrays, combined with the windmills below, make for a greatway for badlands residents to take advantage of their environment.

Badlands Water Condenser (DP9-BWC, $10.00) left and Twin Water Tanks (DP9-BWT, $6.50) right.

Water is precious in the badlands. Condensers extract moisture from the atmosphere. Tanks are common for not just water but also fuel and other liquids required for survival. Military detachments are often forced to capture these storage tanks to replenisht heir supplies.

Badlands Windmill (DP9-BW, $12.00).

Windmills are popular in the Badlands as they are practically free energy for homesteaders. Securing the power source for a Badlands outpost is a common assignment for highly-mobile Gear regiments, as eliminating an outpost's power feed can disable communications and sensor gear and make other assaults easier.

Modular Shipping Containers Three Pack (DP9-MSC, $10.00).

Shipping containers are used world-wide to move everything from foodstuffs and luxury goods to military equipment. Some are even modified to be used as movable command posts.

NuCoal: Chasseur MK II Two Pack (DP9-9254, $23.00).


NuCoal: Lancier Two Pack (DP9-9255, $23.00).

Also DP9's Christmas Sale starts today: for every $50 ordered, get $10 in free stuff. And for orders of at least $100, there's a special mini included:


*I'm their web guy, and thus biased.

Cool, the Chasseur II is up. Any idea what the "extra" weapons are exactly? I noticed you didn't get the usual bits pics up on the webpage yet.

Whenever I feel like I'm being ripped off by GW, I look at Heavy Gear prices and I suddenly don't feel so bad...

H.B.M.C. wrote:Whenever I feel like I'm being ripped off by GW, I look at Heavy Gear prices and I suddenly don't feel so bad...

Yes I feel similar

I really like the new terrain.

@HBMC: Heavy Gear is not cheap. However, unlike GW stuff you do not need a ton of minis to play. You can get a sizeable force with the rules for less than $150.

I wished, they would sell the terrain in 28mm. Would make some nice generic (or Tau) terrain without any skullz.

I gotta agree with what HBMC said, those prices are a tad obnoxious, even by GW's standards.

Still, that terrain isn't too bad, I quite like the Star Wars/ Tattooine look they've got going, any idea what scale it is?

Kroothawk wrote:I wished, they would sell the terrain in 28mm. Would make some nice generic (or Tau) terrain without any skullz.

That's what I was thinking, has a Tau sort of aesthetic.

For the Gear models,a t least, please keep in mind that most of them now include all or most weapon options, so they're a bit more in line with a 'Character' kit from GW or others.

The terrain is. unfortunately, a lot of resin from what I understand.

Very nice stuff, pity not 28mm though :(

Do you guys have complaints about the terrain, models, or both regarding pricing? The metal gear models are pretty much industry standard when you compare apples to apples. Two medium sized gears are generally $10 each in the two pack blisters but come with a bevy of extra weapons. They're bigger than standard marines but smaller than terminators and some of the more ornate ICs with lots of gubbins like Astorath and are priced in that same range. The bigger gears (like the support ones) are terminator sized and priced the same as terminator characters. Buying them in squads takes another buck or two off each gear's price (but at the expense of extra weapon bits). The gears are priced just as reasonably or ridiculously (depending on your opinion of the industry overall) as the rest of the market for the same size model. The resin kits, on the other hand, are not sadly and make FW prices seem cheap.

There are vehicle miniatures on that site that would fit in the palm of my hand yet cost over $40.

Heavy Gear Blitz looks like it might be worth a shot, it'll have to wait until after Xmas though. My wallet is getting very lean as it usually does around this time of year. I love the terrain too, if I were to start HGB I'd probably get some of that sweet terrain, too.

Their stuff is a bit more expensive, but that's in part due to being a Canadian company and the exchange rate. They aren't any moe expensive than Infinity. (french I know) The upside is that a lot of their stuff is still done in metal and it's all top rate casting, neither their metal or resin looks anything like failcast.

paulson games wrote:They aren't any moe expensive than Infinity. (french I know)

Spanish actually son.

H.B.M.C. wrote:Whenever I feel like I'm being ripped off by GW, I look at Heavy Gear prices and I suddenly don't feel so bad...

See I wouldn't mind those prices if the models were at least up to par or better than GW's. If you look closely, they really aren't that detailed and lack the sharpness of GW models. Look at any of the mechs shoulder pads and you'll understand what I mean. There's this roundness that is reminiscent of playdough.

Call it picky or whatever you want but if you're going to pay for models that are more expensive $/per model than even GW, you should at least expect equal if not greater quality.

Just a friendly warning for prospectors.

**Warning, Warning Incoming Fanboy Apologist Post!**

...you know why I don't mind paying a premium for DP9 stuff vs. GW stuff...

Because Heavy Gear is actually fun and balanced and well thought out...seriously, if you have any interest in slightly harder, mech heavy sci-fi game...this is the way to go.

H.B.M.C. wrote:There are vehicle miniatures on that site that would fit in the palm of my hand yet cost over $40.

While I'm not defending their resin tank and larger strider prices (see post above), it's still not that out of sync with GW.

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat490007a&prodId=prod1100060

It’s out of sync with standard GW products. Specialist games are an exception (with Epic being in a similar area to Heavy Gear as far as obnoxious pricing is concerned).

But paying that much for tiny buildings or tanks, so small they could be choking hazards, just strikes me as a good reason not to start the game. Picking something on a similar scale, I can get BattleTech tanks of comparable size for half the price, or less.

Look, Warboss, you know me, I’m not one to defend GW’s pricing structure on anything, but even for me there’s a point where I have to go “You know what... GW prices seem reasonable compared to this nonsense”. Banebeasts are a good example of expensive models that are worth their cost. Heavy Gear? Not on your life.

H.B.M.C. wrote:It’s out of sync with standard GW products. Specialist games are an exception (with Epic being in a similar area to Heavy Gear as far as obnoxious pricing is concerned).

But paying that much for tiny buildings or tanks, so small they could be choking hazards, just strikes me as a good reason not to start the game. Picking something on a similar scale, I can get BattleTech tanks of comparable size for half the price, or less.

Look, Warboss, you know me, I’m not one to defend GW’s pricing structure on anything, but even for me there’s a point where I have to go “You know what... GW prices seem reasonable compared to this nonsense”. Banebeasts are a good example of expensive models that are worth their cost. Heavy Gear? Not on your life.

I dunno... you've become quite amenable to GW now that you've started working for his second cousin on his mother's side! Kidding. There are analogs in the normal finecast fantasy line too that are similar in size and price (pretty much any cavalry specials like Helborg, green knight, etc and ogre special characters all fit in a palm and run $38+). I agree that the tanks are too expensive for what you actually get though regardless of any percieved (on my part) equity with the rest of the market. The metal squad boxes of gears are worth the price though. Either way, probably not the best place to discuss this here in News and Rumors as this is neither.

Balance, any idea when the actual contents of the NuCoal blisters (like the list of special weapons included) will come out?

Tronbot2600 wrote:**Warning, Warning Incoming Fanboy Apologist Post!**

...you know why I don't mind paying a premium for DP9 stuff vs. GW stuff...

Because Heavy Gear is actually fun and balanced and well thought out...seriously, if you have any interest in slightly harder, mech heavy sci-fi game...this is the way to go.

Thats another thing. Is it fun? If its already hard enough to convince people to start 40k, how much luck can you have with this?

It wouldn't hurt to have a sample rules pdf or an AOBR equivalent of a pdf to let people download and see how the game actually plays. You can't beat GW if you're not going to innovate at least better than them.

terranarc wrote:It wouldn't hurt to have a sample rules pdf or an AOBR equivalent of a pdf to let people download and see how the game actually plays. You can't beat GW if you're not going to innovate at least better than them.

Like this?

http://www.dp9.com/index.php?option=com_jotloader&view=categories&cid=9&Itemid=62

If you look closely, they really aren't that detailed and lack the sharpness of GW models. Look at any of the mechs shoulder pads and you'll understand what I mean. There's this roundness that is reminiscent of playdough.

I've built both Northern (the blocky guys) and Southern (the rounded guys) gears, and frankly I have no clue what you're talking about. The gears have plenty of detail, and taking the time to pick it all out with a paint brush yields great rewards - even if you're a semi-lousy painter like myself. As for your "playdough" comment, the only response I have is "Huh?".

That's what I was thinking, has a Tau sort of aesthetic.

The designs are inspired by the same sort of stuff that inspired the Tau designs - i.e. a futuristic anime look. While there's still a lot of divergence, it's not surprising that thematically there are some similarities.

Will not compare these with 28mm market because its different scale so different range of prices... so looking at 15mm market... Man the prices are exaggerated.



Without the defence turrets for the outpost this terrrain lot is around the 140Usd oh and scale is 12mm not 15mm market.

For the Gear prices, consider a Space Marine Commander:

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440176a&prodId=prod1050240&rootCatGameStyle=

vs. a Raven Scout Two Pack:

http://store.dp9.com/product_info.php?products_id=422

The prices are similar, but obviously you get two for the Two Pack.

Both come with a ton of extra parts... The Ravens have a complex multi-part backpack assembly, and several weapon options for each. These are also all 'game relevant' options, not just aesthetic options. The Space Marine Commander has several weapons as well (9, if I'm reading it right) but it looks like many of the options are purely cosmetic.

Size-wise most 12mm Heavy Gears are about the size of 28mm Space Marines...

A Squad with the Ravens could have 1-3 more models (probably an Owl C3, Dark Skirmisher, or similar) so it's pretty price-comparable to a Terminator Squad or similar.


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warboss wrote:Balance, any idea when the actual contents of the NuCoal blisters (like the list of special weapons included) will come out?

I'm not sure... As soon as I get them.

Regardless of price considerations, I like the models and they give me terrain inspirations for the games I do play.

Wow, funny to see so many GW apologists on this thread rip DP9 on pricing and detail. The tired, baseless argument that DP9's pricing isn't industry standard comes out in every single N&R thread on DP9. You people really need to get another meme.

First, even standard trooper Gears like the Hunter are the a bit larger than a Space Marine. Second, they are all multi-part castings, which allow for a variety of poses. Third, they are all manufactured in North America, unlike GW which outsources casting to China.

Again, using the analogy of Space Marines and Hunter Gears, the standard PLASTIC Space Marine is priced between $3.75 and $5 (depending on whether you buy a Combat or Tac squad box) . A Hunter Gear is priced at $8 to $10 (depending on whether you buy the 2-pack or a GP Squad), however you are paying for metal minis manufactured in a first-world country, not Chinese slave labor.

Let's also consider command models. A single PLASTIC Space Marine Commander model runs $20 MSRP while say a Northern Kodiak (which is easily 2x the size of the SM Commander) is $21, again cast in metal in North America.

An even better pricing analogy would be Flames of War, as its in a similar scale. The average cost of an armoured vehicle is around $12, the average cost of a Gear is $10. A FOW infantry squad generally runs $20 and a HG Infantry squad runs $23 - about the same number of models as well.

Or you can consider pricing an army overall. At 1000pts. I'd only need 2-5 squads in HGB (less I'd I run Striders or tanks, more for infantry), that's about $150-200 (less if I bought an Army Starter box - 2 squads and the main rulebook for $100 - more if I wanted something different or more tanks). At 1000pts in FOW, you can easily drop $100-150 on an infantry army and upwards of $200 on an armoured force. In 40K, you'd need at LEAST 3 units, almost always more, and again it's easy to drop $150+ on a single army.

I like GW, I like FOW, and I like 40K. I just think complaining about DP9's "absurd prices" is rather ludicrous.

As far as the Badlands buildings are concerned, their pricing is again industry standard. Consider Old Crow Models Apartment Block in 15mm, which DP9 used for in-house terrain in the HGB rulebook. This retails for about $25USD and measures 3x4x3". The Badlands Outpost is roughly the same size, is modular, and retails for $29.

H.B.M.C. wrote:
But paying that much for tiny buildings or tanks, so small they could be choking hazards, just strikes me as a good reason not to start the game. Picking something on a similar scale, I can get BattleTech tanks of comparable size for half the price, or less.

And GW plastic pieces (some of which are smaller than 2mm) aren't choking hazards? Come on, that's a rather absurd, alarmist argument to make. All miniatures by their very nature are "choking hazards".

Additionally, Battletech tanks are 6mm and inches smaller than Heavy Gear's tanks.

terranarc wrote:
See I wouldn't mind those prices if the models were at least up to par or better than GW's. If you look closely, they really aren't that detailed and lack the sharpness of GW models. Look at any of the mechs shoulder pads and you'll understand what I mean. There's this roundness that is reminiscent of playdough.
.

I think you have literally no idea what you're talking about and are grasping for any chance to make DP9's product look inferior. The Southern Gears' shoulder pads are rounded by design. This is like saying Tau is a terrible product because their overall design is more rounded.

ancientsociety wrote:I think you have literally no idea what you're talking about.

But don't let that stop you!

ancientsociety wrote:Wow, funny to see so many GW apologists on this thread rip DP9 on pricing and detail.

Stop press: H.B.M.C. just got called GW apologist!

ancientsociety wrote:I just think complaining about DP9's "absurd prices" is rather ludicrous.

Actually, you shouldn't consider a game worth checking out until people on Dakka complain about it being too expensive.. I think that's how we say we love it.

Kroothawk wrote:

ancientsociety wrote:Wow, funny to see so many GW apologists on this thread rip DP9 on pricing and detail.

Stop press: H.B.M.C. just got called GW apologist!

THE END IS NIGH

I dont care too much, companies can price their stuff however they see fit as long as people buy it