BOLS rumour on WIP Space Marine flyer

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**Kroothawk**

BigRed wrote:There's word of a new Space Marine vehicle in the works. Here's the latest we've heard.

Apparently this is the big "new kit" to accompany the updated Codex:Space Marines.

-The term "Space Marine Gunship" has been mentioned.
-It's NOT the Stormraven
-It's NOT the Caestus Assault Ram
-Its NOT an "assault themed" vehicle
-There are whispers of that ancient bit of fluff regarding the "missing link transport" Astartes vehicle.

Think about the existing Space Marine vehicle range to see where the obvious holes are if you were in charge of designing a range of fighting vehicles for the Astartes.

Also note that for the first time ever for an Edition changeover, the Space Marine range may be kind of challenging to expand upon in a big way due to its existing size and almost 100% plastic status.

http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2011/12/40k-rumors-space-marine-mystery-vehicle.html

StraightSilver added to that:

Yep, basically during one of the seminars at UK games day somebody asked the question "why do only Blood Angels and Grey Knights get Storm Ravens?".

The answer was essentially, they are the only 2 chapters that still use them, and other chapters won't get them, but that doesn't mean that other chapters don't have their own variation.

Almost all Codexes since the last IG one have hada model which uses the new oval flying stand.

Space Wolves seem to be the exception, 'Nids will have the harpy at some point which will be on that stand.

This is because those stands are actually quite expensive to initially produce, mainly due to the clear plastic, and so it is more cost effective to release lots of models that use it to recoup some of the money.

Therfore it stands to reason that the new Space Marine Codex will have some form of flyer in it.

It won't be the Thunderhawk though as GW have stated they will no longer be copying FW designs any more.

Having said that in a couple of instances that has just meant a different model (ie IG Manticore).

I suspect due to the massive unpopularity of the Storm Raven kit it will be like a Storm Raven, only better if that makes sense?

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It's not impossible they would do a T.Hawk.

It would just have to be different design-wise to the FW one, to give people the option of buying one or the other (they wouldn't want FW to lose sales)

Jes Goodwin did say that they are now able to use 2ups instead of 3ups when designing plastics which makes making really big models that much easier.

However believe it or not the biggest restriction on kits is the box size.

The box size dictates how many sprues will fit in the box, which therefore restricts the size of the model.

Boxes are also surprisingly expensive to produce, and there is also the shelf space they occupy to consider.

I think the last model to get a unique box was the Stompa, which I believe comes on 8 sprues? (I have never built one, it could be 6).

If they could get the T.Hawk on that many sprues and fit in that sized box then I would say it would be likely they would go for it.

Somebody also told me that the FW molds for the T.Hawk were completely knackered and needed redoing, but that there was a problem with the original model.

So it's not impossible, but I just think it's highly unlikely.

**Necros**

So, long story short, GW just wants to sell more oval flight stands?

**Kroothawk**

... and everyone but Space Wolves get flyers.

**chaos0xomega**

I think its awesome how a rumor that started on dakka sometime over the past couple of days got posted to BOLS and then got posted back on this site as new 'news'.

**Kroothawk**

Link?
BOLS is reknown for reposting old stuff, but I only recall the speculation that SM might get something else than a Storm Raven.

**Andilus Greatsword**

Kroothawk wrote:... and everyone but Space Wolves get flyers.

We're going to get Thunderwolf Fliers, mark my words...

**Medium of Death**

Is the Stormraven really that unpopular?

I'm sure GW can think of more ways to introduce plastic SM kits; plastic sternguard, plastic honourguard, plastic librarians, plastic techpriest, plastic chaplains, new heavy weapon terminator variants... etc.

**Horst**

Medium of Death wrote:Is the Stormraven really that unpopular?

I quite like it :(

**marmaduke**

Horst wrote:
Medium of Death wrote:Is the Stormraven really that unpopular?

I quite like it :(

have you taken a look at it? it looks like the fat cousin of a Valkyrie. that and if you look at the rear ramp there is a multimelta on the REAR! why would you put it there? it makes no sense

**Manchu**

I also like the Chibihawk. Please note that anything that is (a) Space Marines and (b) flies will be hated as blocky, non-aerodynamic, ugly, etc, and then eventually liked over time. Here's to you, Thumderhawk.

**bhsman**

I've come around on the Stormraven somewhat, but it's still pretty bad. Wouldn't surprise me that sales of it weren't so great.

**alphaomega**

The stormraven has grown on me. The only thing that I don't like is the turret, but with a little work that is easy to fix.

**SickSix**

GW will probably copy Chapter house and just redo the StormRaven with better proportions and a less silly turret.

I seriously doubt a T-hawk is in the making. That is a MASSIVE model and would only fit in Apocalypse games.

I have always wanted to see a detailed depiction of a Stormbird. But that is pre-heresy era and also massive.

So that leaves a redone chickenhawk for codex marines.

**Wyrmalla**

Marine's are getting yet another codex update? ....Wha? They only just got one a year or so ago right? Eugh, such an effective way to make money eh?

Also Forgeworld state a while ago when someone asked if they would be making a Space Marine flyer based on that old piece of concept art of a large Marine helicopter dropship launching hundreds of assault marines that they would be making nothing like that, or under the name "Stormbird" (a term that I don't anyone bar them had coined). Just a titbit. =P

**kenshin620**

More marines

Why am I not surprised

As long as it is not the ugly flying land raider.....

**Horst**

Codex: Space Marines is going on what, 4 years old?

BA and SW codex are new, true enough, but the base codex is aging.

**pretre**

SickSix wrote:GW will probably copy Chapter house and just redo the StormRaven with better proportions and a less silly turret.

I seriously doubt a T-hawk is in the making. That is a MASSIVE model and would only fit in Apocalypse games.

I have always wanted to see a detailed depiction of a Stormbird. But that is pre-heresy era and also massive.

So that leaves a redone chickenhawk for codex marines.

Or as was brought up in the OP, a gunship.

Think Apache rather than Huey. Or in game terms, AV12 all-around fast skimmer with 4xTL Lascannons or 3 Thunderfire Cannons or something ridiculous like that.

**Horst**

pretre wrote:
SickSix wrote:GW will probably copy Chapter house and just redo the StormRaven with better proportions and a less silly turret.

I seriously doubt a T-hawk is in the making. That is a MASSIVE model and would only fit in Apocalypse games.

I have always wanted to see a detailed depiction of a Stormbird. But that is pre-heresy era and also massive.

So that leaves a redone chickenhawk for codex marines.

Or as was brought up in the OP, a gunship.

Think Apache rather than Huey. Or in game terms, AV12 all-around fast skimmer with 4xTL Lascannons or 3 Thunderfire Cannons or something ridiculous like that.

It need to do something a predator can't already do, otherwise its pointless.

2 wing mounted whirlwind missile launchers would be a good start

**pretre**

Horst wrote:It need to do something a predator can't already do, otherwise its pointless.

2 wing mounted whirlwind missile launchers would be a good start

Double, wing-mounted vindicator cannons with an underchin TFC.

**Horst**

pretre wrote:
Horst wrote:It need to do something a predator can't already do, otherwise its pointless.

2 wing mounted whirlwind missile launchers would be a good start

Double, wing-mounted vindicator cannons with an underchin TFC.

sounds a bit OP. I like it.

**Harriticus**

marmaduke wrote:
Horst wrote:
Medium of Death wrote:Is the Stormraven really that unpopular?

I quite like it :(

have you taken a look at it? it looks like the fat cousin of a Valkyrie. that and if you look at the rear ramp there is a multimelta on the REAR! why would you put it there? it makes no sense

. Real life assault craft like the CH-53 have guns mounted on the rear ramp it's common and useful for covering fire while unloading troops

**Death By Monkeys**

Harriticus wrote:Real life assault craft like the CH-53 have guns mounted on the rear ramp it's common and useful for covering fire while unloading troops

Covering fire is one thing, but rear-facing anti-tank? You expecting to be chased by armor?

**alphaomega**

Isn't the bit on the rear the magna clamp?

**CajunMan**

In the grimdark, yes there would be tanks.

**CaptainRavenclaw**

Kroothawk and BigRed wrote:

StraightSilver added to that:
Yep, ....However believe it or not the biggest restriction on kits is the box size.

The box size dictates how many sprues will fit in the box, which therefore restricts the size of the model.

Boxes are also surprisingly expensive to produce, and there is also the shelf space they occupy to consider.

I'm sorry, but I consider that to be complete mumbo jumbo.

There's no way that the size of the cardboard box is the restriction. Yeah it means you can store less units to sell and shipping them might be expensive, but its only a box.

One T-Hawk (if that's what it is and I'm hoping it is) box wouldn't be much bigger than the stompa box or 4 land raider boxes, and it would sell so many units that the problem of designing and shipping a new box shouldn't be a factor! Come on GW, make me a plastic T-Hawk!!!

(edited for giant quote size boxes reduction)

**quickfuze**

Yeah I wouldnt hold your breath. With Tau in the hopper, and the 6th ed starter set rumored to be CSM vs Eldar, I dont think your going to see any ultramarine love anytime soon....and honestly it doesnt need redone at this time...

**Sidstyler**

Horst wrote:Codex: Space Marines is going on what, 4 years old?

Oh wow, they must be in dire need then...lol. Poor Space Marines, I feel your pain...actually no, I don't, I'm playing with a 4th edition codex that's at least 6 years old, and about half or more of the unit entries in it are completely useless.

I know Dakka is going to completley ignore this and dogpile my ass anyway, but for the record: I know Space Marines are going to get updated anyway. We ALL know, because 6th edition is on the horizon and they always get updated first. It's never based on need and it's purely a financial decision, this is a fact of life. Making money is more important to GW than having a balanced game that's fun to play. But please, PLEASE, do not ever try to convince me that Space Marines actually need it, because they're perfectly fine. Literally, the only thing they don't have is a gakky stormraven, and they could just patch that in with a stupid WD article. But I guess they won't do that since they realize the stormraven is ugly as feth so they need to make a new vehicle that SM players will actually want to buy.

Speaking of which, I think I'm the exact opposite of the rest of you guys. I liked the stormraven at first, or at least I didn't hate it nearly as much as everyone else did, but instead of it growing on me over time I've actually grown to hate it as much as everyone else did when it was spoiled. It's an ugly damn thing and the only reason I'd waste money on one is if I were buying it as a gag-gift to a BA/GK player.

**kitch102**

I was at gd UK and they said, in the seminar, that other chapters do use fliers, there was nothing to say otherwise, though only the gk and ba used the storm raven. They would like to do others but as yet hadn't had time what with other developments on the table. Also said they'd love to do plastic thunderhawk but that was too much of a big job for now (or something to that effect)

Sorry for only bringing a "no" to the discussion, though i do hope they bring out something that looks like it can fly faster than my gran with icarus's wax wings

**Kroothawk**

Ghostwolf wrote:If you have a look in the Badab War books you might find a reference to this new gunship. If I remember rightly, one of the chapters is recorded as making use of both Stormraven and Firesprite Gunships.

**akira5665**

I would be very surprised if it was indeed the Thunderhawk.

1. It's a Superheavy.

2. There are two Variants, the Transport and the Gunship.

3. There is a great deal of large Panels. Huge Box required.

The only possibility I think would be something in between the Chibihawk, Valkyrie and Caestus.

And I will not hold my breath for it. At all.