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If this is true I feel for all the vanilla players who bought Chibi Hawks for their chapters.

Weren't there stories about GW managers telling people OF COURSE vanilla marines will get Chibi Hawks next edition?

Kid_Kyoto wrote:If this is true I feel for all the vanilla players who bought Chibi Hawks for their chapters.

Weren't there stories about GW managers telling people OF COURSE vanilla marines will get Chibi Hawks next edition?

I'm sure the owners of all the genestealer, squat, lost and damned and every-bloody-novelty-codex-now-deceased armies will be there ready with the kleenex for em...

Thunderhawk is far too big and point-expensive model to use competitively in games as a Marine flyer.

Really they need just a version of the Stormraven for everyone else.

The Storm Raven never really has grown on me, even after seeing several up close, though I think it would look passable as a looted Fighta-Bomba.

It doesn't have to have a legal use in regular games, for better or worse. Just look at the Stompa and Baneblade kits.

Hell, a Thunderhawk kit's sales would leave those two in the dust. Hell, I'd buy one.

I love the Chibihawk. I love seeing it crashed into the ground, I love seeing scarabs knock it out of the sky after it went full speed, I love shooting it off the table first turn and most of all I love seeing three of them because that means that is less points spent on actual good troops and wasted money as I slag the abominations out of the sky.

Kurgash wrote:I love the Chibihawk. I love seeing it crashed into the ground, I love seeing scarabs knock it out of the sky after it went full speed, I love shooting it off the table first turn and most of all I love seeing three of them because that means that is less points spent on actual good troops and wasted money as I slag the abominations out of the sky.

Gentlemen. I love Stormravens.

Harriticus wrote:Really they need just a version of the Stormraven for everyone else.

The fluff for the SR states that its' STC has only just been recovered, and (to paraphrase all of the overblown Wardism's) it is still in the process of being introduced into the Imperium's general arsenal (even though the GKs might have had it for a bit longer than most.)

So...two possibilities...general introduction of the Stormraven as is, or maybe a remodelled / revamped / slightly modified kit? Maybe the Firesprite variant that Kroot mentioned on page 1?

Time will tell, I suppose...

Padre^.

EDIT - Forgot to mention, am currently painting a SR with the CH extension kit...makes a huge difference!

Horst wrote:Codex: Space Marines is going on what, 4 years old?

BA and SW codex are new, true enough, but the base codex is aging.

CSM is going on 5 and TAU EMPIRE is on 6,,and SMURFS get a NEW one,,joke.

Dont kid yourself about the Stormraven. It has sold really well. There are definitely a lot of them out there.

@ Kid Kyoto - YES!! True!! The Store in the City in Brisbane - I had asked them to set aside 3 for me pre release, as they had assured me in the months soon afterwards there was going to be a WD update stating Vanilla Marines could field them.

When I went into the store - I asked "So how soon do you think the WD will be with the rules... "Errr, umm, we can't really say Johnno, sorry.."

Akira - "Put em out on the shelves for sale to the unwashed masses then.."

TCWarRoom wrote:Dont kid yourself about the Stormraven. It has sold really well. There are definitely a lot of them out there.

You know, I find it odd how people can just throw statements like this out there with nothing to really back them up. I see people say this or that "sold well" all the time but I can't for the life of me figure out how the hell they would possibly know that. Someone said this about Dark Eldar the other day in one of the other rumor threads, and believe me I'd love to think that was true, but I can't help but think how the hell do you know?

When did GW post the last detailed breakdown of the sales of individual models? Because I must have missed the last one that showed us the sales figures for the stormraven since its release. My only other guess is that it's completely anecdotal evidence ("My store sold a bunch, they're really popular!") or just hearsay from a know-nothing staff member, who is likely going to tell you that any model you inquire about has high sales and is really popular and awesome and you should buy three of them.

Otherwise I could just make up any god-damned bs I wanted to and no one could stop me. Like this: Dark Eldar sales have surpassed Space Marines. How do I know? Pff, I dunno, red shirt told me when I was buying a DE megaforce at the GW store (pay no attention to the fact that my state doesn't have a single GW store in it). Now watch it spread across the internet like wildfire, soon BoLS will be reporting this monumental news and I'll become a hero!

...so anyway...yeah, stormraven's ugly.

Kroothawk wrote:

Ghostwolf wrote:If you have a look in the Badab War books you might find a reference to this new gunship. If I remember rightly, one of the chapters is recorded as making use of both Stormraven and Firesprite Gunships.

Hm. Did a search of IA 9 for Firesprite and any other mention of craft used in conjunction with Stormraven gunships and got nada. The Lamenters were discussed as using Stormravens and Thunderhawks extensively in IA 9, but that was it. Anyone have a copy of IA 10 they can check to see where the Firesprite is mentioned?

Firesprite is a sissy name anyway, sounds like an Eldar vehicle!

In keeping with the Space Marine nomenclature they should call it: the Land Flyer!

Or the Brick Eagle.

stormbird. mentioned in HH novels & in between the thunderhawk (FW) & stormraven (GW) sized models... rogue trader era showed it...

krazynadechukr wrote:stormbird. mentioned in HH novels & in between the thunderhawk (FW) & stormraven (GW) sized models... rogue trader era showed it...

Actually, even the pic shows that the Stormbird is a lot larger than the Thunderhawk.

Kid_Kyoto wrote:If this is true I feel for all the vanilla players who bought Chibi Hawks for their chapters.

Weren't there stories about GW managers telling people OF COURSE vanilla marines will get Chibi Hawks next edition?

Time has shown that managers know as much as we do. Just speculation and salesmanship on their part, and I wouldn't really fault them too much for it.

krazynadechukr wrote:stormbird. mentioned in HH novels & in between the thunderhawk (FW) & stormraven (GW) sized models... rogue trader era showed it...

Reading the HH books, the Stormbird was a fair size bigger than a Thunderhawk.

I don't know why, but I find the Thunderhawk model from FW to be perfectly acceptable, yet find the Stormraven to look something like a playmobil toy. The emphasis there on 'toy', I don't look at it and see a model kit.

I don't mind the Storm Raven. it's grown on me. Also, the turret isn't that bad but I think it would look better on something more tankey.

The dark eldar still have the best flyer out there.

Stormwolf anyone?

So if only Blood Angels & Grey Knights get the Storm Raven, and the new Marines codex will introduce this new flyer, then what would the Black Templars get if their codex is released before the Marines codex?

Not the model at the start of the release but a codex edit (wd article) stating it'll be legal from then on or something...

Actually, the Stormbird was always bigger than the Thunderhawk. "In fact", there are a few mentions in the HH books where the Thunderhawk is introduced, and the Marines don't like it. They think it is ugly, and that it's armor is too thin. After using it for a while, they gradually start to respect it, but still want to use the Stormbird.

10,000 years afterward, all they have is the Thunderhawk. It was built by the Mechanicus to be easier to produce than the Stormbird, even though it has less capability. They can make a bunch of Thunderhawks for every one Stormbird that they can make. So, the Thunderhawk has generally replaced the Strombird.

Can't they fasten the production process of the stormbirds with aid of the warp?

The Thunderhawk mould cant be that bad I got mine in May and had no issues with it.

I cant see GW do a plastic kit of it as it would cost a bomb for them to produce and they would end up charging £100+ for it as it is big.

Pacific wrote:

Reading the HH books, the Stormbird was a fair size bigger than a Thunderhawk.

I don't know why, but I find the Thunderhawk model from FW to be perfectly acceptable, yet find the Stormraven to look something like a playmobil toy. The emphasis there on 'toy', I don't look at it and see a model kit.

TBD wrote:So if only Blood Angels & Grey Knights get the Storm Raven, and the new Marines codex will introduce this new flyer, then what would the Black Templars get if their codex is released before the Marines codex?

IT would make sense for Templars to still use Stormbirds as they come in force.
( before anyone complains: leftover Stormbirds from the IF Legion of course..)
But they most likely field Thunderhawks usually.

The Storm Raven is brought in as smaller cousin of the T-Hawk. Both are transports and flyers without transport capacity aren't spotted in SM fluff yet. I guess they could throw a gunship variant in. Would that include a different chassis? Maybe not since they don't add transport capacity but weapons. And I don't want another badly designed "toy" as "the new flyer for marines".

OtoH, let the BT wait a bit, so we can build up some zeal.......
...you know, do the whiny chaos-minions and xenos first, because BT are one fine tool to show the Emperors displeasure about their existence after they raised their heads. Easier to chop off what you see.

What is the name of the interplanetary fighter mentioned in the Heresy novels? Specifically, the fighters the Eisenstein shot down--or were they Imperial/IG Fighters?

Furies? Those things are still gnarly big by comparison.

they could always just give marine players land speeder tempests....

armor 11, enclosed cockpits for atmospheric flight, assault cannon + typhoon launcher armaments.