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Wow, something new for space marines, imagine that...

I love how this company has "breakthrough" methods in making toy models made out of plastic lol

What a bunch of BS!

With all these flyers coming around to the books, I wouldn't be surprised if the new style of play just involved deep striking all your forces and see who got the short end of the stick with reserves. Every game would be D-Day Normandy paratrooping....

AlmightyWalrus wrote:

Squidmanlolz wrote:

AlmightyWalrus wrote:

Squidmanlolz wrote:If SM get another aerial vehicle, so should IG! They are the flyers compared to SM, you can build IG armies around the Valkyrie rather than using flying vehicles as support, SM shouldn't have that ability in my opinion.

If anything, Space Marines should have aerial vehicles and the Imperial Guard should not. The Imperial Guard does, after all, have a grand total of 0 aircraft in the fluff...

The Guard are lent every vehicle in the Imperial Navy's arsenal (Vultures, lightnings, Thunderbolts, and marauders)

Exactly. The Imperial Guard proper has no air presence anywhere. Claiming that the IG are more of an aerial insertion army than Space Marines fluff-wise is just silly. Why you feel that an army built around rapid insertion doesn't deserve aircraft over an army that doesn't even have it's own dedicated flyers are beyond me.

It's not about rapid insertion, I haven't seen the imperial navy give half as much support to the SM as they give the guard. All of the navy's support is used either in space-faring operations or to assist ground operations (usually IG). Fluff-wise, the guard probably couldn't win very many attacking battles without support from Marauder bombers (Read Ghostmaker) Without air support, guard can hardly function. Not to mention air-superiority fighters.

I like the Stormraven, just haven't gotten around to buying one since I don't have enough Blood Angels to justify it. It makes sense for every chapter to be allowed access to the SR. I would love to get the Tempest in plastic, but I"m not holding my breath.

The Imperial Navy is forbidden from taking commands from the Astartes. They'll assist them, but generally they have no need to since the Astartes have their own integrated air support or cruisers overhead which can provide fire support.

lowmanjason wrote:Wow, something new for space marines, imagine that...

Because Vanilla Marines have gotten so much attention recently right? When will the haters realize that Space Wolves, Blood Angels, and Grey Knights don't count as new stuff for us Vanilla players? In fact, the release of new and absurd books like C:GK hurt Vanilla Marine players even more as we are pushed further down the food chain while still feeling the constant hatred that Marine armies receive. Blood Angels and Grey Knights getting a new flyer kit that we couldn't use was just insult to injury.

SonicPara wrote:

lowmanjason wrote:Wow, something new for space marines, imagine that...

Because Vanilla Marines have gotten so much attention recently right? When will the haters realize that Space Wolves, Blood Angels, and Grey Knights don't count as new stuff for us Vanilla players? In fact, the release of new and absurd books like C:GK hurt Vanilla Marine players even more as we are pushed further down the food chain while still feeling the constant hatred that Marine armies receive. Blood Angels and Grey Knights getting a new flyer kit that we couldn't use was just insult to injury.

not to mention gk is extremely overpowered..... in apocalypse a 5 man purifier squad took out 300 ork boys with one psychic attack

@ Sidstyler - I normally love your dry and intelligent comments regarding all things Gaming - I think you are awesome(personally)

But as far as The Stormraven Sales go, and an actaul store owner commenting on sales - You got served info - and served well. To argue back just sounds... well... trolly and infantile.

You were wrong - they have sold well. accept it and move on.

OT - I am looking for a Rhino/type - Transport 5 Termies would be nice - But no - I do not want to see a flying Landraider

ghost21 wrote:It's honestly not as grand as people think. It's, if you can imagine, a flying landraider.
I saw a very early version that used a very converted landraider itself, but imagine land raider stats with no dreadnaught hook, only 1 access point, but access to land raider firepower.

Honestly, I wasn't that interested, I kept looking at tau.

That sounds like a hilariously heavy aircraft.

Flying Landraider?

Skyraider...

Sounds a bit too close to the Stormraven to be true, in terms of the shape anyway.

I'm not against the idea. Just doesn't seem likely.

Wasn't the stormraven originally nicknamed the "flying land raider"?

Honestly, I wish the Land speeder got more love instead

Ya know, I actually like the Stormraven. It's not terribly pretty, but it works well with my tactical preferances. That being said, it seems to me they didn't quite stat the thing right given how much it costs to put in play.

It can go through a planet's atmosphere, and shrug off the melta 2d6 to pen rule but it's only armor 12....Now, as it's supposed to a fast vehicle, the low armor makes sense to me. But really, I'd have been happy with a flyer that wasn't fast and maxed out at 24" of movement if it had better armor. I think av 13 all around would have been good...but that's life I guess. I'm still mostly cool with what did come out.

As a vanilla Marine/Nids/ BA/ CSM-TS player, I don't think SM need any new flyers right now...or any time soon. The tyranids need a new wave of models to finish their codex choices, the Sisters of Battle *still* don't have a new codex or plastic/finecast models, CSM needs work...etc...

-For the time being, I see no harm in just letting Vanilla Marine armies take the SR till the rest of the game's armies get a chance to catch up. I actually would like to see (some day) a SR style gunship for SM that is JUST a gunship, no dreds, no transport capacity.

Elindiel wrote:As a vanilla Marine/Nids/ BA/ CSM-TS player, I don't think SM need any new flyers right now...or any time soon

-For the time being, I see no harm in just letting Vanilla Marine armies take the SR till the rest of the game's armies get a chance to catch up.

Exactly. Vanilla Marines deserve access to the Storm Raven (or a new kit for that matter) and it would be more economical of GW as the kit is already made. I don't really see the point in releasing a brand new kit unless they want to make something special for Vanilla Marines as compensation for leaving the line of models as they are. I'm fine with just getting the Storm Raven, especially considering I already own one with the Chapterhouse kit, but as long as my Vanilla Marines get access to some cool flier I will be happy.

lol, "deserve"? So how's that work, if another chapter gets something that's supposed to be unique to them, vanilla Marines should get it too, just because?

We wouldn't want all the Space Marine codices to be different now, then there might actually be a reason to have so many.

Sidstyler wrote:lol, "deserve"? So how's that work, if another chapter gets something that's supposed to be unique to them, vanilla Marines should get it too, just because?

We wouldn't want all the Space Marine codices to be different now, then there might actually be a reason to have so many.

Agreed, Vanilla Marines (or any other Marine Codex for that matter) don't "deserve" a unit just because it exists. Sadly, I think that the Stormraven will go the way of the Mortis Dreadnought and Land Raider Crusader before it.

AlmightyWalrus wrote:

Sidstyler wrote:lol, "deserve"? So how's that work, if another chapter gets something that's supposed to be unique to them, vanilla Marines should get it too, just because?

We wouldn't want all the Space Marine codices to be different now, then there might actually be a reason to have so many.

Agreed, Vanilla Marines (or any other Marine Codex for that matter) don't "deserve" a unit just because it exists. Sadly, I think that the Stormraven will go the way of the Mortis Dreadnought and Land Raider Crusader before it.

Didn't at one of the games day a game designer said they would never give the storm raven to the other marines? Bassicly out right admitting that all the Marien armies were too alike, and wanted more unquie units/rules for the different marines?

Because as it stands the differences between the loyalists is laughtably few. Even CSM is bassicly Vinillia marines missing half the units/Rules, running around with Demon princes, and Oblits.

If your going to give the C:SM Storm Raven's, then you might as well give them access to split fire devs, OP psychic squads, Wolf Cav, Fast Rhinos, and Assault troops. Then we can just have a single new loyalist SM codex at the start of every edition.

=P

(Edit: Just to make clear. I don't mind multiple SM books. I mind the fact that each SM book eventually gets all the stuff the other's have, and becomes a game of let's play the newest/best SM.)

AlmightyWalrus wrote:

Sidstyler wrote:lol, "deserve"? So how's that work, if another chapter gets something that's supposed to be unique to them, vanilla Marines should get it too, just because?

We wouldn't want all the Space Marine codices to be different now, then there might actually be a reason to have so many.

Agreed, Vanilla Marines (or any other Marine Codex for that matter) don't "deserve" a unit just because it exists. Sadly, I think that the Stormraven will go the way of the Mortis Dreadnought and Land Raider Crusader before it.

The Mortis Dreadnought never was available to the army which it was "signature" to outside of Imperial Armour Volume II. It wasn't until C: SM that it was added.

The Land Raider Crusader was no big surprise that it was going to be moved over elsewhere.

Like Lockark said though, Ward basically outright said with a few more devs like Kelly backing him up about how the Stormraven is just one of many things we might be seeing for the Astartes in the air.

Sidstyler wrote:lol, "deserve"? So how's that work, if another chapter gets something that's supposed to be unique to them, vanilla Marines should get it too, just because?

We wouldn't want all the Space Marine codices to be different now, then there might actually be a reason to have so many.

Vanilla Marines deserve a flyer and, as the Stormraven is the inexpensive way for GW to make that possible, they at least deserve access to it. A new kit instead would certainly achieve a level of variety between the different codices but at great expense to GW. GW making a unique Vanilla Marines flyer puzzles me as a business decision due to the cost of a new kit, that is what I was discussing.

TCWarRoom wrote:

...so anyway...yeah, stormraven's ugly.

I own a game store and have sold over 100. I only own one store in Northern Michigan. If I have had those results I can reasonably assume it has done well everywhere.

SonicPara wrote:

Sidstyler wrote:lol, "deserve"? So how's that work, if another chapter gets something that's supposed to be unique to them, vanilla Marines should get it too, just because?

We wouldn't want all the Space Marine codices to be different now, then there might actually be a reason to have so many.

Vanilla Marines deserve a flyer and, as the Stormraven is the inexpensive way for GW to make that possible, they at least deserve access to it. A new kit instead would certainly achieve a level of variety between the different codices but at great expense to GW. GW making a unique Vanilla Marines flyer puzzles me as a business decision due to the cost of a new kit, that is what I was discussing.

Maybe it would be easier for them to do that, but I don't think GW is all that worried. It's a Space Marine model, it'll sell. If the storm raven was popular despite only two armies having access to it, then surely GW can make one or even two more flyers to distribute to other chapters and rest easy knowing they'll make their money back.

Kroothawk wrote:

Yeah, I will take that over the stormchicken any day. And I do not want all SM armies to be carbon copies of eachother.

Kroothawk wrote:

IF?



Just wait for the second wave......

hmmmm

krazynadechukr wrote:hmmmm

Oh jeez, I hope not... That thing looks lame.

oni wrote:

krazynadechukr wrote:hmmmm

Oh jeez, I hope not... That thing looks lame.

I know!


Automatically Appended Next Post:
"Firespite Gunship " has been rumored to be heard in the halls at GW HQ......

What we know is -

Apparently this is the big "new kit" to accompany the updated Codex:Space Marines.

-The term "Space Marine Gunship" has been mentioned.
-It's NOT the Stormraven
-It's NOT the Caestus Assault Ram
-Its NOT an "assault themed" vehicle
-There are whispers of that ancient bit of fluff regarding the "missing link transport" Astartes vehicle.

& this Firespite has been mentioned in FW Badab Wars several times now....

I can safely say that I would not buy a model that looks like several fast food containers on skis.

Firespite? Never heard of it and it's not on Lexicanum.